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My 2014 made 60f8500 with 2014 sek-2000 evo kit got a software update from ver 1002 to ver 1004 sometime last night.

Anyone know what's new in this version?
Does that evo kit dose anything to PQ, is just for the for the smart tv stuff? i read some people have complained about some bugs with hdmi etc and the tv software freezing sometimes when the evo kit is atached.
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Does that evo kit dose anything to PQ, is just for the for the smart tv stuff? i read some people have complained about some bugs with hdmi etc and the tv software freezing sometimes when the evo kit is atached.
I've noticed improvements in 3d performance. Overall speed improvements in smart software and also changing channels when watching programming on a over air antenna.

No bugs to report on my end.

But I'm guessing Samsung found some bugs to fix, hence the new firmware my tv got overnight automatically.

When I installed the evo kit, it had firmware 1002 out of the box. Now my tv shows ver 1004. And I had manually checked for a new firmware 2 days prior and nothing was found. So it's new for sure. Just don't know what the changes were.
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It has a deinterlacer to display 1080i if that's what you're asking. The panel is a 1080p panel. Everything it displays is ultimately converted to 1080p.
Does that compromise the television's performance for 1080i; e.g., DirecTV? Most of the posts refer to picture quality for Blu-Ray. 99% of my watching is DirecTV, and cannot imagine a better picture. But could put the F8500 in my master bedroom if picture quality is less than the Panasonic TH-50PHD7UY. Would not consider buying except for end of production, and desire a HDTV for bedroom also. Thanks!
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Does that compromise the television's performance for 1080i; e.g., DirecTV? Most of the posts refer to picture quality for Blu-Ray. 99% of my watching is DirecTV, and cannot imagine a better picture. But could put the F8500 in my master bedroom if picture quality is less than the Panasonic TH-50PHD7UY. Would not consider buying except for end of production, and desire a HDTV for bedroom also. Thanks!
No, it doesn't. A large percentage of 1080i content is film based and the TV can reconstruct the progressive frames with the film modes. It seems to have a good deinterlacer for true video 1080i as well.
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^^^ Correct. Also, the unit will take in all content, no matter what resolution below 1080P, and up converts to 1080P, the native resolution of the TV. No PQ will be lost during this process.
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It was done by mr. Julian Scott, aka Canary Jules on the avforum in the UK. http://www.avforums.com/
He had to be here in Holland and he had time to do a THX calibration on my 51 F8500.

I am over the moon with the job he did, fantastic.

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Julian has a great reputation in Europe and the UK. I am sure he did as good of a job as one of our Top Calibrators here in the U.S.
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My 2014 made 60f8500 with 2014 sek-2000 evo kit got a software update from ver 1002 to ver 1004 sometime last night.

Anyone know what's new in this version?
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Rising blacks should not be an issue if you have latest FW.
Latest firmware reduces brightness significantly but floating black levels should be fixed
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after more than a year and 1600hrs, I got my first instance of IR. something buggered up when I turned off my tv(I didn't have the remote handy, so I just shut it off with the toggle on the back) and at some point during the night it turned back on, unfortunately the last thing I did before turning it off was read AVS forums, so I had that image on screen for as much as 7hrs last night.


I turned on the scrolling for an hr this morning before leaving, and I'm been using it normally ever since(which unfortunately means I've been on avs forums for another 2hrs, haha) but it's super faint anyway right now.


so not so much a story of disaster as much as I'm pretty impressed. I always use screen fit, so no pixel orbiter or anything like that, and it's a pretty nasty image to leave up. while I don't intend on doing that again on purpose, it's nice to know it's so resilient.
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Latest firmware reduces brightness significantly but floating black levels should be fixed
Has this been verified?

For a while, I've had to put cell light at 20 and contrast at 95 to get the picture that I expect. I used to run it with cell light 16 - 17 and contrast 94.

I thought it was probably just a combination of the phosphors aging after 4+ months of pretty heavy use, plus me becoming acclimated to it (coming from an 8G Kuro).

But your comment made my ears prick up...

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Latest firmware reduces brightness significantly but floating black levels should be fixed
So the calibration is F'd?

Perhaps I misremembered.

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"decline in overall demand for plasma display panel televisions", that is just not true, they are being discontinued because they could not make a 4K Plasma TV cost effectively . Therefor they could not over charge for new technology . LED is next........ Especially if LG gets there OLED costs down.
4K plasma power requirements would be extremely high...when you have 2x the number of pixels of a 1080p display that need to be powered you're looking at at least 800 watts needed. Avg 60-65" plasmas today use about 300-350 watts of power alone! Throw in 3D and the power requirement will jump even more
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Has this been verified?

For a while, I've had to put cell light at 20 and contrast at 95 to get the picture that I expect. I used to run it with cell light 16 - 17 and contrast 94.

I thought it was probably just a combination of the phosphors aging after 4+ months of pretty heavy use, plus me becoming acclimated to it (coming from an 8G Kuro).

But your comment made my ears prick up...
Its been discussed in this thread already. Chad B reported the ftL some F8500 displays are now getting after the new firmware updates....the lowest I saw was 42 ftL and the highest was around 50-ish ftl. You know, the F8500 was capable of getting up to 80 ftL

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So the calibration is F'd?
No. Calibration should be the same as before. Just gotta up the cell brightness to get the target
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So the calibration is F'd?
The latest FW did NOT lower overall brightness of tv. The rumor was that a very early FW update did that. But a few well known calibrators said that was not the case. I do believe Chad stated that his first tv he calibrated produced 70fl, but all after that were in the 40s. He did not believe it was a FW update. The smaller the screen the greater the output. The 64 inch tv will be hard pressed to get above 50fl in movie mode.
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after more than a year and 1600hrs, I got my first instance of IR. something buggered up when I turned off my tv(I didn't have the remote handy, so I just shut it off with the toggle on the back) and at some point during the night it turned back on, unfortunately the last thing I did before turning it off was read AVS forums, so I had that image on screen for as much as 7hrs last night.


I turned on the scrolling for an hr this morning before leaving, and I'm been using it normally ever since(which unfortunately means I've been on avs forums for another 2hrs, haha) but it's super faint anyway right now.


so not so much a story of disaster as much as I'm pretty impressed. I always use screen fit, so no pixel orbiter or anything like that, and it's a pretty nasty image to leave up. while I don't intend on doing that again on purpose, it's nice to know it's so resilient.
Fierece, the IR you're reporting is from your F8500? Or another display?
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Fierece, the IR you're reporting is from your F8500? Or another display?
yeah, it was on the f8500, seems to have cleared up now though.

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8500 Picture Quality vs. 4K Sets?

When I bought my Sammy 8500 from Video Only I know that I must have been looking at 4K Demo Sets along with many others in their how Room....BUT.....the Picture Quality of ONE set in their would display kept bringing me back..........it was the PN 64F8500. I see now that for what I paid for it - I could have bought a 4K about same size. I'm not really looking back - BUT - inquiring of those who actually compared our PQ to 4K PQ and their Verdict?


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The f8500 is SO MUCH BETTER!
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the only UHD tv that was around when I bought mine was the sony with the huge honking speakers on the side. even if it weren't for those speakers, I knew after about 2mins of watching that the sony was nothing special. higher resolution can't fix poor uniformity, poor viewing angles, or poor black levels.


obviously a UHD tv is better than a 1080p tv, but I would also say it's obvious that a plasma tv is better than an edgelit LED tv. the only UHD tv I would ever consider would be an oled, and you won't be getting one for the same price as the f8500 anytime soon.


think of it this way, would you rather have a $30,000 Honda, or a $30,000 Ferrari. Before you answer too quickly, think about what 30k will get you at Honda, and compare that to how many corners Ferrari would have to cut to give you something for the same price.


point is, buying a UHD tv at the same price point as the f8500, doesn't mean it's the same quality. in fact it pretty much guarantees the UHD is of extremely low quality

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The Sony fierce mentions was the only 4K tv out when the F8500 first came out and when I bought mine. I liked the F8500 for the color saturation and it looked better than the Sharp Elite which was the TV I wanted. After having the F8500 for over a year, I still think it is an awesome TV.

I would not trade the F8500 color saturation and black levels for 4k resolution with LCD black levels. I got rid of my XBR2 Sony because of poor black levels and I wanted a bigger TV. I am a die hard disc person. Since 4K bluray does not exist, I can't see buying a 4K TV although I admit the extra resolution is very nice.

If you like your F8500, don't worry about 4K and enjoy the picture. A dvd with good mastering looks very good on my 64" scree (way better than DVD should at that size) and top notch blurays looks pretty darn good!

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The latest FW did NOT lower overall brightness of tv. The rumor was that a very early FW update did that. But a few well known calibrators said that was not the case. I do believe Chad stated that his first tv he calibrated produced 70fl, but all after that were in the 40s. He did not believe it was a FW update. The smaller the screen the greater the output. The 64 inch tv will be hard pressed to get above 50fl in movie mode.
David K from CNET reviewed a 64" F8500 and got up 84 ftl
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David K from CNET reviewed a 64" F8500 and got up 84 ftl
An early review sample and really we haven't seen numbers like that since then.....Most of the calibrators have reported in the 5x range even now. Of course this IS dependent on the mode (as that detail seems to be left out). Not all modes are tested by calibrators and this "lower" ftl is mainly in one mode not others.
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David K from CNET reviewed a 64" F8500 and got up 84 ftl
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An early review sample and really we haven't seen numbers like that since then.....Most of the calibrators have reported in the 5x range even now. Of course this IS dependent on the mode (as that detail seems to be left out). Not all modes are tested by calibrators and this "lower" ftl is mainly in one mode not others.
Kevin Miller got 66 ftl on a 60" F8500

" The peak light output for the Cal-Day mode was an impressive 66 fL, which is significantly brighter than any 60-inch or larger plasma I have ever measured. "

http://www.tweaktv.com/in-dspth-hdtv...00-plasma.html
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Kevin Miller got 66 ftl on a 60" F8500

" The peak light output for the Cal-Day mode was an impressive 66 fL, which is significantly brighter than any 60-inch or larger plasma I have ever measured. "

http://www.tweaktv.com/in-dspth-hdtv...00-plasma.html
There is no need to post all of the old reviews, most have been here when they were posted. We know that there has been some change, although most don't have it calibrated that high and some of the modes may have been "nerffed". There are also many owners that have reported no change, if anything the set is too bright (still). Of course now you can post all of the reports that Chad has done to show that brightness has been reduced in the mode he has tested as well


Again though, since we haven't tested all of the different modes across all of the reports of "lowered brightness" it makes it hard to say if anything actually happened. As far as Chad B, hes been in the threads to specifically remark on these reports. But hey if this is what you want to latch on to, more power to you?
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An early review sample and really we haven't seen numbers like that since then.....Most of the calibrators have reported in the 5x range even now. Of course this IS dependent on the mode (as that detail seems to be left out). Not all modes are tested by calibrators and this "lower" ftl is mainly in one mode not others.
Are there any calibrators other than Chad who can report the findings of calibrating the F8500? Im looking into purchasing the F8500 but this brightness issue is really holding me off. Its going into a bright room,

Also, what is IR like on the F8500? Have there been many repots of lingering IR on the F8500? Any reports of burn in?

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There is no need to post all of the old reviews, most have been here when they were posted. We know that there has been some change, although most don't have it calibrated that high and some of the modes may have been "nerffed". There are also many owners that have reported no change, if anything the set is too bright (still). Of course now you can post all of the reports that Chad has done to show that brightness has been reduced in the mode he has tested as well


Again though, since we haven't tested all of the different modes across all of the reports of "lowered brightness" it makes it hard to say if anything actually happened. As far as Chad B, hes been in the threads to specifically remark on these reports. But hey if this is what you want to latch on to, more power to you?

Hmm...what seems to be the brightest mode soo far? My living room has a HUGE window facing the sun
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Are there any calibrators other than Chad who can report the findings of calibrating the F8500? Im looking into purchasing the F8500 but this brightness issue is really holding me off. Its going into a bright room,

Also, what is IR like on the F8500? Have there been many repots of lingering IR on the F8500? Any reports of burn in?
Every plasma will have some IR, the difference is how quickly it goes away. It dissipates quickly on my tv, and it has 1500 hours on it now. I have no BI whatsoever. I run my tv with a a max cell light of 20 most of the time.
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Are there any calibrators other than Chad who can report the findings of calibrating the F8500? Im looking into purchasing the F8500 but this brightness issue is really holding me off

Also, what is IR like on the F8500? Coming from a ZT60 ( I've been lucky to get zero IR ) I'm terrified to get another plasma with similar IR tendencies
Why not listen to owners who have had the set and continue to have the set? Chad B has correct the rumor that he stated 84ftl and that he noticed major drops. Remember you need to know how they got to the number as well (stimulus and mode used) as sometimes the peak brightness was achieved outside of a standard calibration mode\setting\stimulus.


It seems that these "brightness drop" issue has caught fire for some reason yet, owners say for the most part they haven't noticed it (there were a few reports, but resolved by adjusting settings). The calibrators (as far as I can remember) haven't noticed this (maybe I am remembering what was said at the shootout incorrectly). Sure its "disappointing", but back last year the trumpeting horn of the Panasonic fans was that 35/40 ftl was "enough", now all of a sudden its not?


Don't get me wrong I understand your concern, but I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. The owners here have pretty much reported every issue that has come up with this set, one thing that is never wanting (unless you "need" LCD brightness) is that they want a brighter screen. If it were a big issues, owners would be discussing it as a hot topic and there would be MANY unhappy people in these forums.


Form reports of owners, The Samsungs fair much better at IR resistance and removal when compared to the 2013 Panasonics. IR will always be a drawback of the technology, but it seems much less of an issue with F8500 and any IR seems to fade quickly. Of course if you abuse any set, im sure you can break the mold
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Official Samsung PNxxF8500 Series Discussion Thread [No Street Price Talk]

Wanting the 8500 to be brighter couldn't be more near the bottom of the "wish list" for this tv. In fact, it's not even on the wish list.....analogous to wishing a Lamborghini was faster...
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What's with people complaining about big picture windows opposite their TVs, and who in their right mind would watch a TV with a window blatantly issuing sunlight on their beloved TV. I know I wouldn't. They're called blinds, or curtains!
(I know there is the odd wife that wants all the light possible shining in the house, but not everyone's wife is like that.)
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Why not listen to owners who have had the set and continue to have the set? Chad B has correct the rumor that he stated 84ftl and that he noticed major drops. Remember you need to know how they got to the number as well (stimulus and mode used) as sometimes the peak brightness was achieved outside of a standard calibration mode\setting\stimulus.


It seems that these "brightness drop" issue has caught fire for some reason yet, owners say for the most part they haven't noticed it (there were a few reports, but resolved by adjusting settings). The calibrators (as far as I can remember) haven't noticed this (maybe I am remembering what was said at the shootout incorrectly). Sure its "disappointing", but back last year the trumpeting horn of the Panasonic fans was that 35/40 ftl was "enough", now all of a sudden its not?


Don't get me wrong I understand your concern, but I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. The owners here have pretty much reported every issue that has come up with this set, one thing that is never wanting (unless you "need" LCD brightness) is that they want a brighter screen. If it were a big issues, owners would be discussing it as a hot topic and there would be MANY unhappy people in these forums.


Form reports of owners, The Samsungs fair much better at IR resistance and removal when compared to the 2013 Panasonics. IR will always be a drawback of the technology, but it seems much less of an issue with F8500 and any IR seems to fade quickly. Of course if you abuse any set, im sure you can break the mold
35-40 ftl is enough for dark room viewing...this will be in a really bright living room with a HUGE window. We do have drapes but we open the drapes during the day. Also, at night, it is never completely dark when watching a movie. Just enough ambient light to see everyone as such I would love a bright punchy image from a tv.

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Wanting the 8500 to be brighter couldn't be more near the bottom of the "wish list" for this tv. In fact, it's not even on the wish list.....analogous to wishing a Lamborghini was faster...
I would love for it to be brighter. I need a bright punchy image for a bright and mid bright room. Not exactly critical viewing environment but I want the best image possible with flawless off axis viewing

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What's with people complaining about big picture windows opposite their TVs, and who in their right mind would watch a TV with a window blatantly issuing sunlight on their beloved TV. I know I wouldn't. They're called blinds, or curtains!
(I know there is the odd wife that wants all the light possible shining in the house, but not everyone's wife is like that.)
I have drapes....we just open them during the day so we spend the day in the dark? lol Seriously, am i going to watch afternoon tv in the dark with the drapes closed? No.....
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