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Why not listen to owners who have had the set and continue to have the set? Chad B has correct the rumor that he stated 84ftl and that he noticed major drops. Remember you need to know how they got to the number as well (stimulus and mode used) as sometimes the peak brightness was achieved outside of a standard calibration mode\setting\stimulus.
I wonder how bright 3D was measured at in the brightest 3D picture mode. Last I read, it was 12 ftl through one 3D lens....compared to just over 5.5 ftl for the zt60. I have quite a few 3D movies as well. Wouldn't mind re-watching them with the increased brightness!
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I wonder how bright 3D was measured at in the brightest 3D picture mode. Last I read, it was 12 ftl through one 3D lens....compared to just over 5.5 ftl for the zt60. I have quite a few 3D movies as well. Wouldn't mind re-watching them with the increased brightness!

Sounds more like you need an OLED. Doesn't sound like the F8500 is for you.
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In 3D mode, I usually get 6.5 to 7 fL from the VT/ZT60 using PB high. I just did a 64F8500 which put out 8.4 fL in Movie 3D mode with contrast at 99 and cell light at 20. These are all with the meter looking through the glasses (turned on).

BTW, in 2D it put out 53 fL in Movie mode with cell light/contrast almost maxed out and BO Auto. Totally maxed out it probably would have been 55-56 fL. I usually use 5% size, 18-25% APL windows.
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I wonder how bright 3D was measured at in the brightest 3D picture mode. Last I read, it was 12 ftl through one 3D lens....compared to just over 5.5 ftl for the zt60. I have quite a few 3D movies as well. Wouldn't mind re-watching them with the increased brightness!
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Sounds more like you need an OLED. Doesn't sound like the F8500 is for you.
OLED isn't viable for anyone.....its extremely unstable. You can get extreme cases of IR from just the black bars of one movie. Screen uniformity and even off angle viewing are horrible too. The shootout talked about this. Maybe ill look into an OLED in a year or zoo

I thought the F8500 was the viable solution for an LED/OLED at this moment? Isn't that why most folks went with it? Get the benefits of a plasma with the brightness of ( almost ) an LED/OLED


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In 3D mode, I usually get 6.5 to 7 fL from the VT/ZT60 using PB high. I just did a 64F8500 which put out 8.4 fL in Movie 3D mode with contrast at 99 and cell light at 20. These are all with the meter looking through the glasses (turned on).

BTW, in 2D it put out 53 fL in Movie mode with cell light/contrast almost maxed out and BO Auto. Totally maxed out it probably would have been 55-56 fL. I usually use 5% size, 18-25% APL windows.
Super helpful information Chad. Thanks!

Im starting to think even if the F8500' brightness was lowered through firmware it may appear to be brighter than its measured fl b/c it still has the original hardware designed to go much brighter. I think this will work out for me. Hopefully this time I will get a tv with zero DSE.....i can't stand DSE

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Chad, are there modes on the F8500 that are a bit less accurate than movie mode but can go much brighter? Like standard?

If i can get about 60 - 70 fl for a day mode ( even if it is slightly less accurate thru a different picture mode ) i would be ecstatic.

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OLED isn't viable for anyone.....its extremely unstable. You can get extreme cases of IR from just the black bars of one movie. Screen uniformity and even off angle viewing are horrible too. The shootout talked about this. Maybe ill look into an OLED in a year or zoo

I thought the F8500 was the viable solution for an LED/OLED at this moment? Isn't that why most folks went with it? Get the benefits of a plasma with the brightness of ( almost ) an LED/OLED

Well just a minute, the shootout did not state that OLED's screen uniformity and viewing angles were "HORRIBLE". I also haven't heard about it being "extremely unstable".

The reason I was saying that the F8500 doesn't seem to be for you because after several posts from people here giving you some great info about the F8500 and great reasons to get it you've been very resistant towards getting it still and not to offend you but you've come up with some replies that are unreasonable such as the keeping the curtains open because you don't want that part of the house dark in order to watch TV. While that's understandable on some level you have to make compromises with anything you put in your house if you plan to use it, especially a TV. My F8500 is so bright on the brightest setting that I cannot watch it. I always use Standard mode with cell light at 9 and contrast at 60. It's just THAT bright. You will not have issues in regards to that. If you're saying an OLED is not for you (please don't speak for everyone else) then the only other option is the reference F8500.
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Well just a minute, the shootout did not state that OLED's screen uniformity and viewing angles were "HORRIBLE". I also haven't heard about it being "extremely unstable".

The reason I was saying that the F8500 doesn't seem to be for you because after several posts from people here giving you some great info about the F8500 and great reasons to get it you've been very resistant towards getting it still and not to offend you but you've come up with some replies that are unreasonable such as the keeping the curtains open because you don't want that part of the house dark in order to watch TV. While that's understandable on some level you have to make compromises with anything you put in your house if you plan to use it, especially a TV. My F8500 is so bright on the brightest setting that I cannot watch it. I always use Standard mode with cell light at 9 and contrast at 60. It's just THAT bright. You will not have issues in regards to that. If you're saying an OLED is not for you (please don't speak for everyone else) then the only other option is the reference F8500.
Dude, you're taking this way to personally...
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LOL Dude, relax. Im not hating on your F8500. Its a great tv, okay?
You're not hating on MY F8500?? I never said you were. What exactly is your problem? I don't take things personally here. I suggested for you to go for OLED and your reply was completely incorrect about what was said about it at the Shootout and I pointed that out. I couldn't care less if you like/love/hate the F8500. I try to help people here sir if they have interest in the F8500 or any other TV. I don't call people "dude" and say LOL and rudely tell them to relax. Maybe you should take your own advice, and please don't bother replying. If you're looking to pick fights, find someone else.
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Bickering removed. Discuss the topic and not each other, please.

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I agree!

Does anyone know what the latest input lag measurements are using the pc input name trick? Once I end up with the display I plan on playing a ton of video games
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I agree!

Does anyone know what the latest input lag measurements are using the pc input name trick? Once I end up with the display I plan on playing a ton of video games
it hasn't changed for as long as I've been checking. it's still seems to be around 40ms

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it hasn't changed for as long as I've been checking. it's still seems to be around 40ms
Thats isn't too bad for video games, right? I think the zt60 was around there too

Sooo far:

Brightness seems to be great ( maybe not as bright as originally engineered but I believe it appears slightly brighter than its fL reading b/c it can handle the extra push of voltage via its specially designed hardware )

Black levels are good

Color accuracy is great

Lourved filter is as good if not a very slightly behind the ZT60s filter ( which I can say is really impressive )

3D should appear brighter than the ZT60

I'll be aiming for the 64" model.
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Thats isn't too bad for video games, right? I think the zt60 was around there too

Sooo far:

Brightness seems to be great ( maybe not as bright as originally engineered but I believe it appears slightly brighter than its fL reading b/c it can handle the extra push of voltage via its specially designed hardware )

Black levels are good

Color accuracy is great

Lourved filter is as good if not a very slightly behind the ZT60s filter ( which I can say is really impressive )

3D should appear brighter than the ZT60

I'll be aiming for the 64" model.
yeah in pc mode the input lag is pretty average with what's out there. in game mode it's slightly worse, and without either of those enabled is pretty terrible, haha.


it is very much a jack of all trades imo. maybe not as great in a dark theater setting watching movies as a kuro or vt60/zt60, but it's still good. and it's maybe not as great in a bright room as a super bright LED, but it's still good there too. bottom line I've never seen my f8500 not look good. even if at times there's room for improvement, it's subtle. compared to other TV's where I literally could not watch them in the dark, or some other major flaw that needed to be avoided at all costs.

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Samsung PN64F8500 & Denon AVR Anynet+ Issues: HELP!

I believe I have found an incompatibility bug with a Denon AVR and a Samsung Plasma TV:

Denon AVR-2313CI
Samsung PN64F8500

With these two pieces of hardware, both running the latest firmware available, there is a major handshake issue. After turning both pieces of equipment on and off, eventually they lose video handshake. It usually takes 1-4 on/off cycles.

Turning Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) on the Samsung TV to off does NOT fix the issue, at least not with the latest 1120 firmware.
Usually you have to disconnect all the HDMI cables and/or unplug the AVR to get video handshake back. It can take a few tries and it’s quite frustrating.

On 8/26/14 I contacted Denon Tech Support by phone and the agent placed me on hold, and when he returned he had me turn off Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) on the Samsung TV. When that didn’t work, he said “there is a setting somewhere on the TV that the AVR doesn’t like…” and suggested I contact Samsung Tech Support to find which setting needed to be changed.

I contacted Samsung Tech Support and after troubleshooting he took my name, email and phone and said I would be contacted within two business days.
Is there ANYONE with this identical hardware that has experienced this issue and found a solution???

I also have an Oppo BDP-103, Apple TV, X-BOX 360 and Roku 3 connected to the AVR via HDMI cables.

Thanks!

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I believe I have found an incompatibility bug with a Denon AVR and a Samsung Plasma TV:

Denon AVR-2313CI
Samsung PN64F8500

With these two pieces of hardware, both running the latest firmware available, there is a major handshake issue. After turning both pieces of equipment on and off, eventually they lose video handshake. It usually takes 1-4 on/off cycles.

Turning Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) on the Samsung TV to off does NOT fix the issue, at least not with the latest 1120 firmware.
Usually you have to disconnect all the HDMI cables and/or unplug the AVR to get video handshake back. It can take a few tries and it’s quite frustrating.

On 8/26/14 I contacted Denon Tech Support by phone and the agent placed me on hold, and when he returned he had me turn off Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) on the Samsung TV. When that didn’t work, he said “there is a setting somewhere on the TV that the AVR doesn’t like…” and suggested I contact Samsung Tech Support to find which setting needed to be changed.

I contacted Samsung Tech Support and after troubleshooting he took my name, email and phone and said I would be contacted within two business days.
Is there ANYONE with this identical hardware that has experienced this issue and found a solution???

I also have an Oppo BDP-103, Apple TV and Roku 3 connected to the AVR via HDMI cables.

Thanks!

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Have you tried a different hdmi cable from tv to AVR?

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Denon AVRs have been known to have issues with this TV. If you go through the early months of this and the owners thread there are more than a few that have had handshake/CEC issues. I unfortunately don't remember the solution others found to bypass/fix the issue.


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I believe I have found an incompatibility bug with a Denon AVR and a Samsung Plasma TV:

Denon AVR-2313CI
Samsung PN64F8500

With these two pieces of hardware, both running the latest firmware available, there is a major handshake issue. After turning both pieces of equipment on and off, eventually they lose video handshake. It usually takes 1-4 on/off cycles.

Turning Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) on the Samsung TV to off does NOT fix the issue, at least not with the latest 1120 firmware.
Usually you have to disconnect all the HDMI cables and/or unplug the AVR to get video handshake back. It can take a few tries and it’s quite frustrating.

On 8/26/14 I contacted Denon Tech Support by phone and the agent placed me on hold, and when he returned he had me turn off Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) on the Samsung TV. When that didn’t work, he said “there is a setting somewhere on the TV that the AVR doesn’t like…” and suggested I contact Samsung Tech Support to find which setting needed to be changed.

I contacted Samsung Tech Support and after troubleshooting he took my name, email and phone and said I would be contacted within two business days.
Is there ANYONE with this identical hardware that has experienced this issue and found a solution???

I also have an Oppo BDP-103, Apple TV and Roku 3 connected to the AVR via HDMI cables.

Thanks!

Byrdman
Since you have the 103, have you tried connecting the Apple TV and Roku to the OPPO via the hdmi inputs on the front and the back, and then run the HDMI 1 to tv and hdmi 2 to avr? On my 103D I run my DirecTV to OPPO, OPPO to tv, and coax digital to AVR.

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Yes. I have tried 3 different HDMI cables. The problem is nothing that simple.

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I believe I have found an incompatibility bug with a Denon AVR and a Samsung Plasma TV:

Denon AVR-2313CI
Samsung PN64F8500

With these two pieces of hardware, both running the latest firmware available, there is a major handshake issue. After turning both pieces of equipment on and off, eventually they lose video handshake. It usually takes 1-4 on/off cycles.

Turning Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) on the Samsung TV to off does NOT fix the issue, at least not with the latest 1120 firmware.
Usually you have to disconnect all the HDMI cables and/or unplug the AVR to get video handshake back. It can take a few tries and it’s quite frustrating.

On 8/26/14 I contacted Denon Tech Support by phone and the agent placed me on hold, and when he returned he had me turn off Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC) on the Samsung TV. When that didn’t work, he said “there is a setting somewhere on the TV that the AVR doesn’t like…” and suggested I contact Samsung Tech Support to find which setting needed to be changed.

I contacted Samsung Tech Support and after troubleshooting he took my name, email and phone and said I would be contacted within two business days.
Is there ANYONE with this identical hardware that has experienced this issue and found a solution???

I also have an Oppo BDP-103, Apple TV, X-BOX 360 and Roku 3 connected to the AVR via HDMI cables.

Thanks!

Byrdman
Whoa....this is a red flag for me! I have Denon X4000 and plan on getting the 64F8500! I have anynet+ off always but i would HATE to have an issue like this one day one.

I hope Samsung tech gets back to you mate!
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X4000 works fine with this TV (no anynet).
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Thats isn't too bad for video games, right? I think the zt60 was around there too

Sooo far:

Brightness seems to be great ( maybe not as bright as originally engineered but I believe it appears slightly brighter than its fL reading b/c it can handle the extra push of voltage via its specially designed hardware )

Black levels are good

Color accuracy is great

Lourved filter is as good if not a very slightly behind the ZT60s filter ( which I can say is really impressive )

3D should appear brighter than the ZT60

I'll be aiming for the 64" model.
what happened to your ZT60? I had originally bought the 64PN8500 and had to return it because of the amount of DSE it had. I loved the picture though. 3D was amazing.

That being said, side by side with the ZT60, I didn't really notice too much of an advantage in the brightness of the 8500. The colors, black levels and near perfect screen uniformity made my choice to keep the ZT60 an easy one.

good luck with the panel lottery my man!
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That being said, side by side with the ZT60, I didn't really notice too much of an advantage in the brightness of the 8500. The colors, black levels and near perfect screen uniformity made my choice to keep the ZT60 an easy one.

good luck with the panel lottery my man!
Did you test the ZT60 and F8500 side by side in your home in a very bright room? There is a tremendous difference in brightness between the F8500 and any other Plasma on the market. I know on the ZT60 you can use THX Bright Room but it loses contrast and black level. The F8500 approaches most, if not all LCD's in brightness while maintaining contrast and black level.
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