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breezy2012's Avatar breezy2012 05:17 PM 08-29-2014
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post
All plasmas will look like dark grey compared to an OLED since they can do true 0 blacks.
I don't know if I would go quite that far. The OLED is darker but the plasma gets pretty black as well.

Certain scenes of Tron: Legacy are letterboxed (the movie goes back and forth between full screen and LB) and the blacks in many scenes were indistinguishable from the black borders, which in turn blended nicely into my darkened basement. Ex. - There's a series of scenes in which Jeff Bridges and the two kids move about his "apartment" and the blacks really melt into the borders while the silvers and whites stand out brightly in incredibly crisp detail. Pretty impressive.

fierce_gt's Avatar fierce_gt 05:25 PM 08-29-2014
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It will be dark but no where near OLED dark. All plasmas will look like dark grey compared to an OLED since they can do true 0 blacks. If you can wait I would (personally) the next year may be very promising for OLED. You need to decide how long you are willing to wait for that OLED goodness


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^^agreed. it's very good with almost any kind of content on screen, but I've NEVER had to check whether it was on or not, like I used to have to with my crt rptv.


I'm very please with the purchase, and I will continue to use the f8500 for many many years. but if you don't NEED a new tv this year or maybe even next, I'd wait for oled.
azcatsfan15's Avatar azcatsfan15 05:32 PM 08-29-2014
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Is the 51 inch of this model a deal at 1800?
Not really… that's MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail price) plus tax! Look for one on craigslist and then ask to see if you can check it out at the person's home. I got an almost new one, had about 370 hours and everything was intact. I got it for $1,350 after he wanted almost $1,500.

Good luck…
p5browne's Avatar p5browne 05:54 PM 08-29-2014
What part of `NO STREET PRICE TALK' are Posters not understanding?
Ph8te's Avatar Ph8te 06:17 PM 08-29-2014
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Originally Posted by breezy2012 View Post
I don't know if I would go quite that far. The OLED is darker but the plasma gets pretty black as well.

Certain scenes of Tron: Legacy are letterboxed (the movie goes back and forth between full screen and LB) and the blacks in many scenes were indistinguishable from the black borders, which in turn blended nicely into my darkened basement. Ex. - There's a series of scenes in which Jeff Bridges and the two kids move about his "apartment" and the blacks really melt into the borders while the silvers and whites stand out brightly in incredibly crisp detail. Pretty impressive.

I never said it wasn't good, compared to OLED however when viewed side by side you WILL see dark grey vs OLED black. I'm aware of how good T:L looks it's just not as good as it looks on an OLED in a dark room.

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What part of `NO STREET PRICE TALK' are Posters not understanding?
People forget it all of the time



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azcatsfan15's Avatar azcatsfan15 07:28 PM 08-29-2014
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What part of `NO STREET PRICE TALK' are Posters not understanding?
Sorry, I was just responding to the earlier post.
Tom Riddle's Avatar Tom Riddle 08:47 PM 08-29-2014
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post
It will be dark but no where near OLED dark. All plasmas will look like dark grey compared to an OLED since they can do true 0 blacks. If you can wait I would (personally) the next year may be very promising for OLED. You need to decide how long you are willing to wait for that OLED goodness


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I believe that is what I'm going to do. Thanks for the help.
Stereodude's Avatar Stereodude 12:59 PM 08-30-2014
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What part of `NO STREET PRICE TALK' are Posters not understanding?
I don't see the moderators stepping in, so what's the problem? Perhaps you should read the forum rules yourself. Since AVSforum is no longer owned by a store, there is no restriction against discussing prices, street or otherwise. The note in the thread title is from a bygone era when AVSforum was owned by a store and understandably the rules did not allow discussion of street prices.

BTW, I paid $2635 (before tax) for my 64".
p5browne's Avatar p5browne 01:24 PM 08-30-2014
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I don't see the moderators stepping in, so what's the problem? Perhaps you should read the forum rules yourself. Since AVSforum is no longer owned by a store, there is no restriction against discussing prices, street or otherwise. The note in the thread title is from a bygone era when AVSforum was owned by a store and understandably the rules did not allow discussion of street prices.

BTW, I paid $2635 (before tax) for my 64".
It's called `Common Courtesy!' There's a Forum for F8500 Pricing bragging rights! These discussions are for why people should, or should not purchase the F8500 Units - pluses and minuses. And any other info for current, or for potential future purchasers to gain knowledge on the F8500s series of Samsung Plasmas.
Stereodude's Avatar Stereodude 07:24 PM 08-30-2014
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It's called `Common Courtesy!'
Right, and you don't seem to be showing it to the new members who posted to talk F8500. A post here or there that mention price isn't going to bury information in the thread any more than the other 12429 posts.
koan's Avatar koan 09:11 PM 08-30-2014
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I don't see the moderators stepping in, so what's the problem? Perhaps you should read the forum rules yourself. Since AVSforum is no longer owned by a store, there is no restriction against discussing prices, street or otherwise. The note in the thread title is from a bygone era when AVSforum was owned by a store and understandably the rules did not allow discussion of street prices.

BTW, I paid $2635 (before tax) for my 64".
Well, there is a subforum specifically for this purpose. You are right that a few posts with price talk isn't doing much harm, but then others respond to these posts and more respond to those. Currently there are 1150 posts in the F8500 pricing thread in the subforum. Add those here and consider that there would likely be more price discussion from those following this thread who don't go to the Great Found Deals thread.

What's the harm in separating price talk from this thread? Or should we have just one giant F8500 thread with all of the discussion, pricing, settings, and bugs posts together and let everyone slog through to find the posts relevant to them?
CoCo Kawon 10:47 PM 08-30-2014
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Well, there is a subforum specifically for this purpose. You are right that a few posts with price talk isn't doing much harm, but then others respond to these posts and more respond to those. Currently there are 1150 posts in the F8500 pricing thread in the subforum. Add those here and consider that there would likely be more price discussion from those following this thread who don't go to the Great Found Deals thread.

What's the harm in separating price talk from this thread? Or should we have just one giant F8500 thread with all of the discussion, pricing, settings, and bugs posts together and let everyone slog through to find the posts relevant to them?
No offense to this forum or anyone on it, but its pretty hard to navigate it as a newbie. The forum feels like its from the early 2000's. So maybe easing up on us new guys that are trying to get the flow of the forum might be nice.

I haven't been on the forum more than a week now and I've heard it from several people and I had no idea about the unsaid "rule" of no price talk. I now see it on the thread topic, but didn't notice it at first when I responded to a random post. To be honest, reading it from this side of the internet it seems pretty rude and after several times hearing it almost made me not want to come back.

I admit when I first got on here I posted a lot about the price I got it at because I was so excited and wanted to share for others to keep an eye out. I've already help another user get a great deal from the same place since I've been talking about it. That makes me feel pretty good, because personally I've been keeping an eye out on prices on this TV for a year now and the reason for me talking about price was to let others know to keep an eye out, because there are deals out there.

From now on I will try to follow the dead reseller's rules of no price talk.
JimP 06:01 AM 08-31-2014
coco

Did you actually have any questions about the operations of the F8500 that we can help you with?
koan's Avatar koan 08:20 AM 08-31-2014
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Originally Posted by CoCo Kawon View Post
No offense to this forum or anyone on it, but its pretty hard to navigate it as a newbie. The forum feels like its from the early 2000's. So maybe easing up on us new guys that are trying to get the flow of the forum might be nice.

I haven't been on the forum more than a week now and I've heard it from several people and I had no idea about the unsaid "rule" of no price talk. I now see it on the thread topic, but didn't notice it at first when I responded to a random post. To be honest, reading it from this side of the internet it seems pretty rude and after several times hearing it almost made me not want to come back.

I admit when I first got on here I posted a lot about the price I got it at because I was so excited and wanted to share for others to keep an eye out. I've already help another user get a great deal from the same place since I've been talking about it. That makes me feel pretty good, because personally I've been keeping an eye out on prices on this TV for a year now and the reason for me talking about price was to let others know to keep an eye out, because there are deals out there.

From now on I will try to follow the dead reseller's rules of no price talk.
I was the one who mentioned to you in this thread that your price post should have been posted in the subforum. I didn't think I was being harsh, just guiding you to the correct thread so that those looking for a deal like you found would see it. My apologies if it came across as harsh.

It would be nice if the forum could have a structure such that all F8500 threads (this one, owners, setting, bugs, buzzing, price, etc.) were listed together as sub-threads under a main heading.
p5browne's Avatar p5browne 04:11 PM 08-31-2014
My apologies as well, as to sounding harsh, but after several pricing postings, it was starting to sound like bragging rights. It was at this point that I pointed out the `No Price Talk." My fault for not posting the URL to the F8500 Pricing Forum.

Samsung f8500 pricing reduction?

The F8500 has now had several days under it's belt after being re-calibrated using the Radiance's latest FW update, and Calman's 5.3.6b. After seeing the results - virtually all thoughts of a 4K TV at this time, are essentially non existent!
PhilipsPhanatic's Avatar PhilipsPhanatic 10:53 PM 08-31-2014
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Since AVSforum is no longer owned by a store
Just curious, who owned the site ???
PhilipsPhanatic's Avatar PhilipsPhanatic 11:25 PM 08-31-2014
Hours Of Use: I was just curious, is it easy to get into the Service Menu on the Samsung TV's and check the hours of use ?

I'm looking into the Samsung plasmas as I'm starting to see my 50" Philips starting to go (it's strange: it only happens on start-up for the first few minutes, the top 1/3r to 1/2 of the screen goes black across the TV face; the bottom still shows the picture. It fixes itself every few seconds and repeats for 1-2 minutes. I think it's one of the circuit boards). Anyway, I have about 19,000 hours on the Philips in the 5 years I have used it.

Would you guys consider 19,000 hours getting one's money worth for a plasma TV (or any TV for that matter) ? The TV was used very heavily (80-90 hours per week) and outside of a few capacitors replaced, it's worked flawlessly.

Would settle for the same for the replacement, plasma or LCD.
p5browne's Avatar p5browne 08:38 AM 09-01-2014
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Hours Of Use: I was just curious, is it easy to get into the Service Menu on the Samsung TV's and check the hours of use ?

I'm looking into the Samsung plasmas as I'm starting to see my 50" Philips starting to go (it's strange: it only happens on start-up for the first few minutes, the top 1/3r to 1/2 of the screen goes black across the TV face; the bottom still shows the picture. It fixes itself every few seconds and repeats for 1-2 minutes. I think it's one of the circuit boards). Anyway, I have about 19,000 hours on the Philips in the 5 years I have used it.

Would you guys consider 19,000 hours getting one's money worth for a plasma TV (or any TV for that matter) ? The TV was used very heavily (80-90 hours per week) and outside of a few capacitors replaced, it's worked flawlessly.

Would settle for the same for the replacement, plasma or LCD.
Latest TV Sales showing 4K TVs dropping in price, and in return the LED/LCDs.
Plasmas are getting to be in short supply, and prices will more than likely start to rise as they get harder to get.
WantsNWarrants's Avatar WantsNWarrants 09:41 AM 09-01-2014
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Hours Of Use: I was just curious, is it easy to get into the Service Menu on the Samsung TV's and check the hours of use ?
You don't want the service menu. Safer to
MUTE 7 3 7 ENTER
or
MUTE MUTE 7 3 7 ENTER
(and keep trying, it WILL work!)
while the set is on.
MRT is hours; I think RT stands for Run Time.

Power set off to dismiss.
Tom Riddle's Avatar Tom Riddle 10:11 AM 09-01-2014
Well, I said I was going to wait for OLED, but just can't kick the bug to buy this TV. So, we established the TV is very black, but I have one more question about it. In a dark scene, think Deathly Hallows pt 2, do the letterbox bars remain near black or do they go to a medium grey? I appreciate everyone's help.
wxman's Avatar wxman 11:16 AM 09-01-2014
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Well, I said I was going to wait for OLED, but just can't kick the bug to buy this TV. So, we established the TV is very black, but I have one more question about it. In a dark scene, think Deathly Hallows pt 2, do the letterbox bars remain near black or do they go to a medium grey? I appreciate everyone's help.
In a totally dark room, very dark scenes will make letterbox bars appear dark grey. Not as bad as LED, but also not close to OLED black. Any light on in room, will keep bars near black.
breezy2012's Avatar breezy2012 12:02 PM 09-01-2014
Again - I have to disagree slightly (and I'm not trying to sell plasmas, I promise).


The letterboxes on my set, the way I have it calibrated, appear completely black. For a noob like me who uses the eye test only there was no appreciable difference in the black level of the OLED's LB and the plasma's.


The content itself is a different story. The black level can vary, even from scene to scene during a movie. I watched Life of Pi last night (in a totally black room) and some of the wonderful visual scenes were beyond compare with bright colors contrasted against deep blacks, while in some other lesser scenes the blacks were a bit lighter. It doesn't bother me but it might bother you.
HLdan's Avatar HLdan 12:50 PM 09-01-2014
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Again - I have to disagree slightly (and I'm not trying to sell plasmas, I promise).

Well you're certainly in the right forum to sell plasmas. I don't think most people here would argue if you appear biased.
wxman's Avatar wxman 12:56 PM 09-01-2014
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Originally Posted by breezy2012 View Post
Again - I have to disagree slightly (and I'm not trying to sell plasmas, I promise).


The letterboxes on my set, the way I have it calibrated, appear completely black. For a noob like me who uses the eye test only there was no appreciable difference in the black level of the OLED's LB and the plasma's.


The content itself is a different story. The black level can vary, even from scene to scene during a movie. I watched Life of Pi last night (in a totally black room) and some of the wonderful visual scenes were beyond compare with bright colors contrasted against deep blacks, while in some other lesser scenes the blacks were a bit lighter. It doesn't bother me but it might bother you.
When you have high contrast between bright colors and blacks, or white and black, blacks will appear deeper. While in other scenes the blacks were a bit lighter, because the contrast was not as great. It wasnt because the film had worse blacks in those scenes. What you are seeing in the low contrast scenes is the real black output of your tv. Now to be fair, 90% of blu ray movies have good contrast, and blacks will appear to be black, and for the majority of viewing will never be an issue. If you are real picky about blacks, then OLED is the way to go. The pros at the VE shootout even stated the difference in black levels between the F8500 and the OLED were quite noticeable especially with low contrast or black test patterns.
Tom Riddle's Avatar Tom Riddle 02:22 PM 09-01-2014
Thanks for all the responses. Hate to say it, but I'm still torn, but at least all my questions are answered.
Stereodude's Avatar Stereodude 03:07 PM 09-01-2014
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Just curious, who owned the site ???
When? AFAIK, it was owned by AV Science, then Hudder, and is now owned by Vertical Scope.
aukevin's Avatar aukevin 05:02 PM 09-01-2014
The last couple days my PN64f8500 has been doing something weird, randomly it will change input to TV input which shows nothing but static since no antenna is hooked up. It's totally weird, the only input I have something connected to it HDMI 3. Has anyone encountered this?
wxman's Avatar wxman 07:47 PM 09-01-2014
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The last couple days my PN64f8500 has been doing something weird, randomly it will change input to TV input which shows nothing but static since no antenna is hooked up. It's totally weird, the only input I have something connected to it HDMI 3. Has anyone encountered this?
Not trying to be funny, but have you tried changing the batteries in the remote? Weak batteries can sometimes cause remotes to act weird.
fierce_gt's Avatar fierce_gt 11:02 PM 09-01-2014
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post
Well, I said I was going to wait for OLED, but just can't kick the bug to buy this TV. So, we established the TV is very black, but I have one more question about it. In a dark scene, think Deathly Hallows pt 2, do the letterbox bars remain near black or do they go to a medium grey? I appreciate everyone's help.
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In a totally dark room, very dark scenes will make letterbox bars appear dark grey. Not as bad as LED, but also not close to OLED black. Any light on in room, will keep bars near black.
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Originally Posted by breezy2012 View Post
Again - I have to disagree slightly (and I'm not trying to sell plasmas, I promise).


The letterboxes on my set, the way I have it calibrated, appear completely black. For a noob like me who uses the eye test only there was no appreciable difference in the black level of the OLED's LB and the plasma's.


The content itself is a different story. The black level can vary, even from scene to scene during a movie. I watched Life of Pi last night (in a totally black room) and some of the wonderful visual scenes were beyond compare with bright colors contrasted against deep blacks, while in some other lesser scenes the blacks were a bit lighter. It doesn't bother me but it might bother you.
I think this totally depends on the scene. it doesn't take much to make the letterbox bars 'disappear', but they are also definitely not black either.
I'm watching tron right now, and for the most part there's enough bright lights and stuff on screen to make the letterbox bars look 'off'. but when I watch really dark movies, I am sometimes annoyed by the 'brightness' of the letterbox bars.
PhilipsPhanatic's Avatar PhilipsPhanatic 12:20 AM 09-02-2014
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The pros at the VE shootout even stated the difference in black levels between the F8500 and the OLED were quite noticeable especially with low contrast or black test patterns.
Newbie question for those of us Late To The Party: Sure, you want blacks to be black, but is it THAT critical to watching most movies ? How many scenes are really impacted by a mediocre vs. an outstanding black ?

I think the standard when HDTV first came out was the tunnel scenes in "THE ROCK". I think they said that the people kind of bled into the walls if you didn't have good blacks on your set.

OK, I get that. But how long in most movies do you have that tough a contrast to see ?

And are deep blacks anywhere near as important when watching regular TV or sports, let alone the majority of movies which aren't like DEATHLY HALLOWS (never seen it) or The Batman DARK KNIGHT movies or THE ROCK ??

The only other advantage I can think of is this grainy-film appearance that some movies/TV shows appear in -- like "BATTLESTAR GALACTICA" a few years ago -- might need good blacks.

Don't get me wrong, I want good colors for all including black, but the obsession with super-perfect blacks relative to motion lag, response time, picture sharpness, etc., always baffled me.
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