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Hi I just recently bought this tv and by God it was hard to find. So everyone keeps talking about how good this picture looks. I went to best buy and saw the 55EC9300 OLED and it looked absolutely breathtaking. Would you say this tv has a good picture as the OLED I saw at best buy? Thinking of buying that as well. I mean I could not see a display but just how good is the picture on the pn51f8500.
No, it's not a good as an OLED although I do see people complain often about motion on OLED's so not sure if they has been improved yet.

For PQ, nothing comes close to OLED. When it shows blacks, it is like the panel is off giving you better contrast levels then even the best plasma's. OLED is the future but it's still considered fairly new and since no one has owned one for that long it is hard to know about negative long term effects we will see with OLED. Buying one now will kind of make you a beta tester.

You should look through the OLED section and see what actual owners of the TV are saying.
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The Oled does look better, but not without it's own issues.
Screen uniformity, some image retention and motion issues, is curved, and is 55".
The 65" is $9,000.

Also, it's o it's own loop. Ask them to put something other than that loop on when you look at it.

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Personally I couldn't justify a OLED right now due to what dsskid points out. The F8500 is a great set until OLED matures a bit.
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@Halimali From your picture and posted information, your 64" TV is in a cabinet that does not provide Samsung's minimum ventilation requirements.

The most common cause of capacitor failure is environmental heat. The plague of bad capacitors have not be used in electronics for several years before your set was built. The components in electronic equipment need a flow of cool air while operating. In your TV, air enters the vents along the bottom of the back of the set, the air picks up heat from the electronics, then exits the vents at the back top. If there is not adequate air flow in and out of the cabinet then the temperature of the air entering the set will increase to above the maximum recommended operation temperature of 104 degrees F.

I can not advise you what must be done to bring the cabinet's ventilation up to the minimum ventilation level. There are ways that air flow can be increased in a cabinet such as:

o adding fans to push cool air in and other fans to blow hot air out (providing flow both in and out is important), and/or
o cutting vent holes in the sides and/or shelves above and/or below the set, while maintaining structural integrity.

Others on this forum are invited post their views to help Halimali.
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After several attempts to get good 4K tv i just gave up on it and decided to wait for technology to correct LED / Edge lid problems.
Any of you can tell me on black levels and picture quality differences between Samsung PN60F8500 and Samsung PN60F5300 B version panel.
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Any of you can tell me on black levels and picture quality differences between Samsung PN60F8500 and Samsung PN60F5300 B version panel.
Black levels are pretty much the same in a dark room. F5300 may measure a little lower if you have a newer F8500 with updated firmware.
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Can anyone tell me where the Eco Sensor is on the 60" F8500? I don't want to block it inadvertently. I like having it on (you can set the minimum cell light that it will go to), so you can have one setting that works for day and night.

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The sensor is in the same small area where the IR receiver and LED on/off light is in the lower left.
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@Halimali From your picture and posted information, your 64" TV is in a cabinet that does not provide Samsung's minimum ventilation requirements.

The most common cause of capacitor failure is environmental heat. The plague of bad capacitors have not be used in electronics for several years before your set was built. The components in electronic equipment need a flow of cool air while operating. In your TV, air enters the vents along the bottom of the back of the set, the air picks up heat from the electronics, then exits the vents at the back top. If there is not adequate air flow in and out of the cabinet then the temperature of the air entering the set will increase to above the maximum recommended operation temperature of 104 degrees F.

I can not advise you what must be done to bring the cabinet's ventilation up to the minimum ventilation level. There are ways that air flow can be increased in a cabinet such as:

o adding fans to push cool air in and other fans to blow hot air out (providing flow both in and out is important), and/or
o cutting vent holes in the sides and/or shelves above and/or below the set, while maintaining structural integrity.

Others on this forum are invited post their views to help Halimali.
Today I got the TV back after the repair.

I want to thank you for your input and advise.
I'm going to do what you advised me.

I'm ditching the whole cabinet and will replace it with a TV stand so that the whole TV will be exposed to air from all the sides.

I would also be interested to know how to add fans to the set. Would really appreciate your help in guiding me how that can be done.

I love this TV and don't want it to fail on me again.

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Today I got the TV back after the repair.

I want to thank you for your input and advise.
I'm going to do what you advised me.

I'm ditching the whole cabinet and will replace it with a TV stand so that the whole TV will be exposed to air from all the sides.

I would also be interested to know how to add fans to the set. Would really appreciate your help in guiding me how that can be done.

I love this TV and don't want it to fail on me again.
Model Mobile Fan 12 (P/N: AF0007) - plug into lowest USB Port and adjust to about 50% speed. Will lower the temp about 10 or more degrees.
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Model Mobile Fan 12 (P/N: AF0007) - plug into lowest USB Port and adjust to about 50% speed. Will lower the temp about 10 or more degrees.
Thank you very much.
Would one fan be enough? I see from the picture that you have placed it in the middle. How about fixing it on the left spot where the TV gets hotter?

Does the fan make any noise?

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Thank you very much.
Would one fan be enough? I see from the picture that you have placed it in the middle. How about fixing it on the left spot where the TV gets hotter?

Does the fan make any noise?

The fan is actually on the back left, over the hot spot. Found fan at 50% more than adequate, and can't be heard. At 100%, fan can be heard, but whether from your seating position I don't know. I adjust right at the fan by turning up to I just hear it. Being plugged into the lowest USB Port, it turns On and Off with the set.
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Thank you very much.
Would one fan be enough? I see from the picture that you have placed it in the middle. How about fixing it on the left spot where the TV gets hotter?

Does the fan make any noise?
Halimali here are some more pics to give u some ideas for mounting the fan(s).

I used small tiewraps to mount thru the existing vent holes, the tiewraps fit just through the holes.
As u see in my pics I used 4 fans 2 x 120mm and 2 x 80mm the small ones are mounted in the middle and the bigger ones on the outside as seen from the back, the way my pics were taken.
As far as noise is concerned all 3 fans not above the hotspot are turned all the way down (slowest fan speed) only the one above the main board with all the hdmi and USB plugs is set to medium speed, you will hear some fan noise when the sound of the TV is muted but when you are watching a program or video with sound there is no additional noise detectable in my case.
Anyway these fans both the big ones and the smaller ones are avavailable from amazon and are very inexpensive for the money thy save u in repairs.
Hope this info helps you a bit.

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Anyway these fans both the big ones and the smaller ones are avavailable from amazon and are very inexpensive for the money thy save u in repairs.
Hope this info helps you a bit.
Repairs? Was it confirmed by Samsung or any trained professional that the F8500's overheat to a point of defect and recommending people to install fans? The F8500 should be able to dissipate heat on it's own quite well. It's only fault from what I've seen is heating up the room, but I know nothing of fans needing to be installed to protect it from becoming defective from overheating. Please clarify this.
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Repairs? Was it confirmed by Samsung or any trained professional that the F8500's overheat to a point of defect and recommending people to install fans? The F8500 should be able to dissipate heat on it's own quite well. It's only fault from what I've seen is heating up the room, but I know nothing of fans needing to be installed to protect it from becoming defective from overheating. Please clarify this.
Are you at sea level, or up in the Mountains? The higher, the harder on Plasmas. The ventilation does make a difference - just make sure the fan is blowing out, not in.
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Are you at sea level, or up in the Mountains? The higher, the harder on Plasmas. The ventilation does make a difference - just make sure the fan is blowing out, not in.
I'm at sea level. I wasn't aware it would get that much hotter in the mountains. I do know Samsung said that's why the buzz gets louder, due to the elevation levels.
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I'm at sea level. I wasn't aware it would get that much hotter in the mountains. I do know Samsung said that's why the buzz gets louder, due to the elevation levels.
I'm going to assume that the atmospheric pressure somehow affects the plasma cell walls?
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Are you at sea level, or up in the Mountains? The higher, the harder on Plasmas. The ventilation does make a difference - just make sure the fan is blowing out, not in.
P5browne, i think what you mean(just to clarify for the other readers) that the fan should be sucking the air out, NOT blowing into the tv.
The reason for it having to suck the air through is so that it pulls cold air from the bottom part of the TV.
Then its doing the same as the convection cooling as designed by Samsung, only then moves more air and therefore is more efficient at cooling.

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I'm going to assume that the atmospheric pressure somehow affects the plasma cell walls?
I'm going to say I agree? Because it sounds good enough.
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The fan is actually on the back left, over the hot spot. Found fan at 50% more than adequate, and can't be heard. At 100%, fan can be heard, but whether from your seating position I don't know. I adjust right at the fan by turning up to I just hear it. Being plugged into the lowest USB Port, it turns On and Off with the set.
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Halimali here are some more pics to give u some ideas for mounting the fan(s).

I used small tiewraps to mount thru the existing vent holes, the tiewraps fit just through the holes.
As u see in my pics I used 4 fans 2 x 120mm and 2 x 80mm the small ones are mounted in the middle and the bigger ones on the outside as seen from the back, the way my pics were taken.
As far as noise is concerned all 3 fans not above the hotspot are turned all the way down (slowest fan speed) only the one above the main board with all the hdmi and USB plugs is set to medium speed, you will hear some fan noise when the sound of the TV is muted but when you are watching a program or video with sound there is no additional noise detectable in my case.
Anyway these fans both the big ones and the smaller ones are avavailable from amazon and are very inexpensive for the money thy save u in repairs.
Hope this info helps you a bit.

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Hey Rob
Thanks a lot for sharing the pics and info.
Are you using a USB Hub? How do you power it up? Using the TV or a separate power supply?
I know I can power two fans using the TV's two USBs. How can I add more?
Another question: Do all the fans need to blow air out of the set?

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Are you using a USB Hub? How do you power it up? Using the TV or a separate power supply?
I know I can power two fans using the TV's two USBs. How can I add more?
Hali,

You need just one fan because you've moved the set to a stand from the cabinet.

Use p5browne's setup.

I'm the guy with 8 fans (see my signature) and I can definitely tell you that one is enough!
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Another question: Do all the fans need to blow air out of the set?
Yes, all out. Look at the intakes at the bottom under the main board to see why one fan in the hot spot is critical for restrited airflow environments.
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Hey Rob
Thanks a lot for sharing the pics and info.
Are you using a USB Hub? How do you power it up? Using the TV or a separate power supply?
I know I can power two fans using the TV's two USBs. How can I add more?
Another question: Do all the fans need to blow air out of the set?
Hi Halimali, yep sorry I forgot to mention it but YES i am using a 4 plug USB hub. the USB plug from the hub goes to the bottom USB port on the TV the one that states 1 amp (HDD 1.0A). And all 4 of these fans are plugged in to the HUB.
An IMO by using 4 fans you ave aprox. the similar temparature across the width of the panel less hot spot and I think that is better for the overall performance of the circuit boards involved.
Also I read somewhere once (dont remmember where, was in the beginning of this thread i believe) that statistcs show that dropping electronics circuits temperature by 10degree C will double the life of the afected components.

Anyway hope this helps .

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EDIT: I forgot to mention that ALL fans should SUCK air OUT OF THE SET through the top air vents, as pictured in my previous post.

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My 51F8500 is up and running for a couple of days now and I still haven't fully explored all it's options. Right now I'm mostly concerned with basic viewing of Satellite and Blu-Ray material so here's my question. Do I need to run a firmware update? And have any of the updates affected PQ in a positive of negative way? Obviously it would always seem to be a good idea to go with the newest firmware but I just want to be sure. My current version is 1202.
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My 51F8500 is up and running for a couple of days now and I still haven't fully explored all it's options. Right now I'm mostly concerned with basic viewing of Satellite and Blu-Ray material so here's my question. Do I need to run a firmware update? And have any of the updates affected PQ in a positive of negative way? Obviously it would always seem to be a good idea to go with the newest firmware but I just want to be sure. My current version is 1202.
If your firmware is at least version 1116 then NO, you do not need to upgrade. All FW upgrades post 1116 are related to apps, not PQ.

Therefore, 1202 is fine.
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Hello,

I scored a Best Buy display model in the 64" size but with out the original stand. The hardware as ordered from Samsung costs $220 plus shipping. Due to my setting, I have to place the display on a cabinet. Tried to search for an universal stand, but they are ugly and for smaller sizes. Maybe somebody here has a suggestion or has the stand in the garage ?
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If you bought your F8500 with an American Express Card it may be covered by the FREE American Express Extended Warranty. Info here: https://www.americanexpress.com/us/content/card-benefits/extended-warranty.html

Summary from above: “Why is it that as soon as a manufacturer's warranty runs out, something always seems to happen? Use your Card for your eligible purchases and you can have warranty protection for longer.

Use Your Eligible Card - Extended Warranty can provide up to one extra year added to the original U.S. manufacturer’swarranty. Applies to warranties of 5 years or less when the eligible purchase is charged to the Card.
Coverage - You will only be covered up to the actual amount charged to your Card for the item up to a maximum of $10,000; not to exceed $50,000 per Card Member account per calendar year. Please read important exclusions and restrictions.”

If you buy extended warranty on an item then I believe the AMEX Extended Warranty starts when your purchased warranty ends. You should check on that.

Lost or stolen purchases are also insured. Claims can be made over the phone by calling AMEX customer support number on the back of your card.

If you have questions you should visit link above first for more information. AMEX advertised this feature a lot in the past but have not seen it mentioned in a while. I have only made one claim, when my son’s new digital camera and accessories were stolen from his university room. Called and got full credit and he bought another camera.
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I scored a Best Buy display model in the 64" size but with out the original stand. The hardware as ordered from Samsung costs $220 plus shipping. Due to my setting, I have to place the display on a cabinet. Tried to search for an universal stand, but they are ugly and for smaller sizes. Maybe somebody here has a suggestion or has the stand in the garage ?
Since there are lots of people jumping in on the current price reductions, were I you I'd haunt Ebay. Stands there, when available, normally run about $125.

You might want to post to the owners thread also:
Official Samsung PNxxF8500 Owners Thread (No Street Price Talk)
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I was home for Thanksgiving and had to watch the Sony XBR LCD....it was making me sick. Color was just awful. The F8500 PQ is simply stunning.

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