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Why not?? Circuitry/firmware is same in all these models...just different screen sizes. Give me some info, please, as to why you think this way... ?? Those posted settings look mighty fine on my 51" screen....aside from the cell light 10 setting for dark viewing.

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As different people start to get professional calibrations you'll notice different panel sizes have greater variation between them when calibrated similarly than the variations between panels of the same size.

What Mo969 said biggrin.gif
Plus myself and pieandchips(fellow AVS 51F8500 owner) both found the 64" cal settings gave us less then desirable pq, colors were truly off and picture in general was quite drab.
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What Mo969 said biggrin.gif
Plus myself and pieandchips(fellow AVS 51F8500 owner) both found the 64" cal settings gave us less then desirable pq, colors were truly off and picture in general was quite drab.

Agreed. My calibrated settings are different and give a much nicer pop to the image. I don't see the point in posting them.
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I got to see the VT60 next to the Samsung 8500. We put the 8500 in Movie mode and the VT60 in THX Bright mode. My wife, two Magnolia guys (who were pretty excited about the just-installed VT60) and myself, all gave the overall PQ edge to the 8500.

The 8500 showed more detail and pop with what looked like very similar black levels (as best as could be determined in the subdued Magnolia lighting). We all wanted to see how the brightness compared too. Again, to everyone there, the 8500 clearly had more headroom.

I did notice the VT60 displayed better shadow detail and there were some subtle differences in skin tones, but this was a bit harder to nail down given the stylized movie they were playing (one of the Hobbit movies).

Keep in mind that neither panel was calibrated, so these are just initial impressions. I honestly thought the two would look closer in overall PQ aspects. I'm still weighing the ZT60 vs the 8500, and this pushed me a bit closer to the 8500, but again, this just an initial impression.
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I got to see the VT60 next to the Samsung 8500. We put the 8500 in Movie mode and the VT60 in THX Bright mode. My wife, two Magnolia guys (who were pretty excited about the just-installed VT60) and myself, all gave the overall PQ edge to the 8500.

The 8500 showed more detail and pop with what looked like very similar black levels (as best as could be determined in the subdued Magnolia lighting). We all wanted to see how the brightness compared too. Again, to everyone there, the 8500 clearly had more headroom.

I did notice the VT60 displayed better shadow detail and there were some subtle differences in skin tones, but this was a bit harder to nail down given the stylized movie they were playing (one of the Hobbit movies).

Keep in mind that neither panel was calibrated, so these are just initial impressions. I honestly thought the two would look closer in overall PQ aspects. I'm still weighing the ZT60 vs the 8500, and this pushed me a bit closer to the 8500, but again, this just an initial impression.

Thanks for you initial impressions ken. I wish the 8500 didn't have the brightness fluctuations frown.gif. Did you notice any on the vt60?
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Hey Guys,

Got the ok from David to post my post cal settings. Here ya go. Post Call settings.pdf 28k .pdf file

Mighty, it looks like he didn't use the 10 point WB. Is this correct?
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I got to see the VT60 next to the Samsung 8500. We put the 8500 in Movie mode and the VT60 in THX Bright mode. My wife, two Magnolia guys (who were pretty excited about the just-installed VT60) and myself, all gave the overall PQ edge to the 8500.

The 8500 showed more detail and pop with what looked like very similar black levels (as best as could be determined in the subdued Magnolia lighting). We all wanted to see how the brightness compared too. Again, to everyone there, the 8500 clearly had more headroom.

I did notice the VT60 displayed better shadow detail and there were some subtle differences in skin tones, but this was a bit harder to nail down given the stylized movie they were playing (one of the Hobbit movies).

Keep in mind that neither panel was calibrated, so these are just initial impressions. I honestly thought the two would look closer in overall PQ aspects. I'm still weighing the ZT60 vs the 8500, and this pushed me a bit closer to the 8500, but again, this just an initial impression.

Thanks, Ken. Do we know when VE is getting the VT60?

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What Mo969 said biggrin.gif
Plus myself and pieandchips(fellow AVS 51F8500 owner) both found the 64" cal settings gave us less then desirable pq, colors were truly off and picture in general was quite drab.
Well, I'll tell you what....if you think the settings that mouseusf just posted (cal day and night) look drab on your 51" 8500 (aside from cell light 10), then something isn't right. Aren't you the one who said you can't see the brightness pops or hear any buzzing from your tv? mouseusf"s settings look just fine on my 51". To each his own, I guess....
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Thanks for you initial impressions ken. I wish the 8500 didn't have the brightness fluctuations frown.gif. Did you notice any on the vt60?

Didn't notice a single instance on either. smile.gif

The only bad experience I've had with the many different 8500s I've seen, was the one playing that horrible, Grade B movie. On that movie it was pretty bad. Prior to that, it was only the one instance on Robert's calibrated display. All other 8500s I've seen showed no popping.

What's interesting is there are several clips within even the standard BB loop that I'd think would induce popping and yet I haven't seen any. Very weird.
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Thanks, Ken. Do we know when VE is getting the VT60?

Not sure Dave. Give Robert a call. I'm sure he's got your answer.
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Not sure Dave. Give Robert a call. I'm sure he's got your answer.

Just wondering if there was any chance soon Kevin Miller could calibrate a VT60 next to his calibrated F8500 as the Shootout is a long, grueling three weeks away. smile.gif

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Mighty, it looks like he didn't use the 10 point WB. Is this correct?

I guess so. It looks that way. I wish I had paid closer attention to what he was doing. We were too busy shootin the **** telling stories....
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Has anyone compared the F8500 to an ES8000?

Are they as bright as the LED as claimed by samsung? I'm on the fence between the F8500 and ES8000. (the ES8000 is cheaper by $400 and the F8500 is backordered!)
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Mighty Mouse , would you happen to know how my fl you are getting with the cell at 10, contrast at 95?

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I got to see the VT60 next to the Samsung 8500. We put the 8500 in Movie mode and the VT60 in THX Bright mode. My wife, two Magnolia guys (who were pretty excited about the just-installed VT60) and myself, all gave the overall PQ edge to the 8500.

The 8500 showed more detail and pop with what looked like very similar black levels (as best as could be determined in the subdued Magnolia lighting). We all wanted to see how the brightness compared too. Again, to everyone there, the 8500 clearly had more headroom.

I did notice the VT60 displayed better shadow detail and there were some subtle differences in skin tones, but this was a bit harder to nail down given the stylized movie they were playing (one of the Hobbit movies).

Keep in mind that neither panel was calibrated, so these are just initial impressions. I honestly thought the two would look closer in overall PQ aspects. I'm still weighing the ZT60 vs the 8500, and this pushed me a bit closer to the 8500, but again, this just an initial impression.

Ken thank you again for takign the time to view both and giving your opiinion on these sets. I must say you are one lucky son of a gun wink.gif you ahve seen the ZT, VT and f8500....

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Has anyone compared the F8500 to an ES8000?

Are they as bright as the LED as claimed by samsung? I'm on the fence between the F8500 and ES8000. (the ES8000 is cheaper by $400 and the F8500 is backordered!)

You ahve to remember much of this is marketing talk. Its "close" to LCD brightness, but LCDs will still get brighter. Its a "middle ground" between Plasma and LCD where you get brighter than most plasmas out and darker than most LCDs out.....while it doesnt top the catagory in either, it does a good job of both smile.gif

The question you have to ask yourself is what do you want form the PQ of the set AND what are you living to deal with as far as drawbacks go.
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David - I believe he said it was reading 42fl which was according to him "really high". Does it show up anywhere on the CALMAN report? If not, I can just shoot him an email to ask
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Since you mentioned the Darbee and videogames you might find this article by Eurogamer on that exact subject worth a read:
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David - I believe he said it was reading 42fl which was according to him "really high". Does it show up anywhere on the CALMAN report? If not, I can just shoot him an email to ask

42 is higher than average, I believe LarryinRI said he usually sets it at ~32ftL

the 42 however is still lower than the 5x that I believe Kevin set it at ~40 for Movie mode and it came out to ~60+ for Cal Day..
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David - I believe he said it was reading 42fl which was according to him "really high". Does it show up anywhere on the CALMAN report? If not, I can just shoot him an email to ask

If you don't mind, appreciated. Also can you ask him how he thinks the display would calibrate at around 33 fl in that mode? That's all the light I would need, but I have wondered if the F8500 is not optimally geared for such low output.

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I got to see the VT60 next to the Samsung 8500. We put the 8500 in Movie mode and the VT60 in THX Bright mode. My wife, two Magnolia guys (who were pretty excited about the just-installed VT60) and myself, all gave the overall PQ edge to the 8500.

The 8500 showed more detail and pop with what looked like very similar black levels (as best as could be determined in the subdued Magnolia lighting). We all wanted to see how the brightness compared too. Again, to everyone there, the 8500 clearly had more headroom.

I did notice the VT60 displayed better shadow detail and there were some subtle differences in skin tones, but this was a bit harder to nail down given the stylized movie they were playing (one of the Hobbit movies).

Keep in mind that neither panel was calibrated, so these are just initial impressions. I honestly thought the two would look closer in overall PQ aspects. I'm still weighing the ZT60 vs the 8500, and this pushed me a bit closer to the 8500, but again, this just an initial impression.

That's interesting stuff, Ken. I also went to Magnolia and sat in a dark room watching the 51F8500. Definitely darker than the GT50 and much darker than the old E8000. The clarity on this set is second to none.

Wish it got just a tad blacker, but I keep thinking there'll be a firmware update to enhance black optimizer. Should be interesting to talk to the Samsung rep about that during the shootout next month.

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coming from a "B" series from the past which had a intolerable buzz I understand where you are coming from. my new set (8500 has a buzz to, but it is much more tolerable. I truly believe the frequency In which the buzz is emitted can only be heard by some. some will tell you that they can only here it from the rear. this is true however that same buzz is heard at the same tone/frequency when in front of the panel usually 3ft or greater. also if you turn your head either to the left or right with your ear acting like an amplifier it will be more pronounced. this is a con for me with this set, but the positives so far outweigh them greatly. try this experiment, have just your displays speakers on set it to clear voice and tell me at what level you can still hear the buzz at. anything greater that 11 I can't hear anything.

You're totally right, when I turn my head, the buzz is more pronounced. I have yet to play with the speaker settings. The TV volume doesn't really matter though as I usually have the TV on mute and listen through my HT. Granted, I've only has this set for 3 days, but the buzz really annoys me. I don't think my wife hears it as she has not said anything. I originally thought my speaker cables were picking up some kind of interference, but that is not the case. I'm going to keep the set for a while longer to see if the buzz goes away or reduces in intensity significantly. If not, going back frown.gif I came from the LCD world and though this TV would convert me. Picture quality (clarity) is out of the park! Do the Panasonic's have a loud buzz, anybody? I've never been bothered in a retail store by Plasma buzz because I never heard it, but sadly I can now.

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the Panasonic does not buzz,it retains images,your choice!!!
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That's interesting stuff, Ken. I also went to Magnolia and sat in a dark room watching the 51F8500. Definitely darker than the GT50 and much darker than the old E8000. The clarity on this set is second to none.

Wish it got just a tad blacker, but I keep thinking there'll be a firmware update to enhance black optimizer. Should be interesting to talk to the Samsung rep about that during the shootout next month.

Gmarceau,

Any particular reason why you think they will update the optimizer? That would be interesting if they could improve the performance.

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Alright David, I emailed him. I'll let you know when he gets back to me.
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You're totally right, when I turn my head, the buzz is more pronounced. I have yet to play with the speaker settings. The TV volume doesn't really matter though as I usually have the TV on mute and listen through my HT. Granted, I've only has this set for 3 days, but the buzz really annoys me. I don't think my wife hears it as she has not said anything. I originally thought my speaker cables were picking up some kind of interference, but that is not the case. I'm going to keep the set for a while longer to see if the buzz goes away or reduces in intensity significantly. If not, going back frown.gif I came from the LCD world and though this TV would convert me. Picture quality (clarity) is out of the park! Do the Panasonic's have a loud buzz, anybody? I've never been bothered in a retail store by Plasma buzz because I never heard it, but sadly I can now.

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the Panasonic does not buzz,it retains images,your choice!!!

I wouldnt say either is 100% correct.....

the 2012 models and earlier for Panasonic sets have a large IR issue accordign to the forums, of course there are those that dont have the IR issue as well....

As far as the buzz its the same things, most all plasmas buzz, usually its a directional buzz, so if you move your head or move position it may go away or be greatly reduced.Some people however are more sensitive and may hear it mpre than others. There is also a chance that it could be defective, but from teh sounds of it, you may just be more sensitive to that frequency as well as coming from LCD which will not exhibit this. Have you tried sitting where your wife normally does to see if the intensity changes at all? If you can hear it above your HT or speakers it may not be normal buzz.....
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Alright David, I emailed him. I'll let you know when he gets back to me.

Thank you!

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Gmarceau,

Any particular reason why you think they will update the optimizer? That would be interesting if they could improve the performance.

consiering it seems to be software based, they may be able to adjust the software via update smile.gif untill they say they cant\wont there is always hope wink.gif
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Well, I'll tell you what....if you think the settings that mouseusf just posted (cal day and night) look drab on your 51" 8500 (aside from cell light 10), then something isn't right. Aren't you the one who said you can't see the brightness pops or hear any buzzing from your tv? mouseusf"s settings look just fine on my 51". To each his own, I guess....

I didn't say "his" settings looked drab,, I said settings that have been posted for 64" that have been posted looked drab, being at work I won't be able to check them out on my TV until tomorrow.. If they work for you great but don't assume because they look good to you they should look good on mine..
And yes I am one of those who said we have no buzzing or pops and I don't.. You have buzzing and/or pops with your 51"?? Not sure if I'm misreading your post but feeling some attitude into your post??

Added: also if you read my reply another member here with a 51"agreed, actually he mentioned it first...
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Auto2 is the default for some reason. I haven't found any documentation that explains Auto1 and Auto2. Would love to know though.

There's an old thread kicking around here where this is discussed...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1271384/the-difference-between-samsung-film-modes
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Ken thank you again for takign the time to view both and giving your opiinion on these sets. I must say you are one lucky son of a gun wink.gif you ahve seen the ZT, VT and f8500....

Yeah it's been fun Ph8te, but the real A/B I wanted to see was the ZT60 & 8500. But it was fascinating seeing the VT and 8500 with the same material. smile.gif
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If you don't mind, appreciated. Also can you ask him how he thinks the display would calibrate at around 33 fl in that mode? That's all the light I would need, but I have wondered if the F8500 is not optimally geared for such low output.

Response from Ken,

Carlos,

The output in CAL-NIGHT was 39.285 fL (FYI, it's in the Post-Calibration section of the report).

In response to your other question, I would think the set could be successfully dialed down. As a calibrator, I would shoot for around 30 fL in an ideal studio environment. If you want to experiment, you could plug the CAL-NIGHT settings into Movie mode and turn down the Cell Light.
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