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post #31 of 43 Old 03-31-2013, 07:40 AM
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I had a 54g25 before upgrading to a 60gt50. The gt50 shows more reflections than the g25 imo.
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In the past, i have never purchased any extended warranties on my electronics and have been fine in doing without. I went to CostCo the other day and they have extended warranties for TVs from SquareTrade for really cheap ie. $99 for the expensive TVs. Should i get the extended warrenty form SquareTrade for $99? Peace of mind i guess if you break it down its dirt cheap if my TV were to crap out.
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I too am in the market for a new tv for a living room with a tremendous amount of light. Three skylights two five foot sliding doors and two of the corners of the room are windows on each wall. I happen to love my samsung led 55und800 that has great settings from member mknet. It is awesome to me but in a more light controlled room. This room is bigger and would require a lot of side viewing hence the lurking on the plasma sites. My budget is max up to $1500 but would like it to be less.
You guys seem to be really knowledgeable about the panny plasmas and I would really appreciate your suggestions.
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Now at $1100, get mine delivered Monday!
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Now $999 at Panasonic.com. Great deal now? The ST60 is $999 on Amazon.

Gotta decide! Which one, fellas?
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ST60 would have better black levels than than the GT50.
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Here's my decision from active research:

When talking about top-rated Plasma TV's, seeing them side-by-side in a showroom isn't going to tell you much, so I was reduced to specs, reviews, and physical appearance.

I bought a P50S60 thinking that I don't care about 3D and I have room with moderate lighting. The P50S60 does have a great picture even if you do nothing more than put it on Cinema and then increase the contrast. (I prefer to get used to a TV for a week or two before doing a lot of calibration) - Especially compared to LED/LCD TV's.

Unfortunately, the S60 is a mirror and you must control the lighting very carefully. The picture is bright, and my room is not, so that's not the problem. The problem is that whatever lighting you have must be indirect and carefully controlled and then I still see reflections of the room on the screen during dark scenes - which sort of kills the point of having the great contrast and "inky" blacks.

The Samsungs in my price range are even more mirror-like!

If I had the luxury of a home theatre room where the environment could be sufficiently controlled, I'm sure I would've been happy with the S60, but I don't.

So, I sent the S60 back.

I looked at the VT50, GT50, S64, and the ST60 and decided on the ST60 - which will be delivered in a few days. Here's why:

Year over year, Panasonic has made improvements in picture quality and signal processing.

The S64 is the same panel as the S60, with a louvre filter - which is a low end filter.

The VT50 is simply too expensive - especially in a time period when significant advances in Plasma technology seems to be so rapid. I didn't even consider the VT60.

Initially, I thought that surely, the heavily discounted upscale GT50 would be a better TV than the ST60.

The P50GT50 and the P50ST60 are indeed similarly priced. The P50GT50 is a beautiful TV to behold, but that's not important to me.

Everyone seems to agree that overall the ST60 has a marginally better picture than the GT50, but that the GT50 has some subtle advantages and additional features.

So, it came down to this: Given the year over year improvements in Panasonic Plasma's, I decided that going with the newer model and slightly newer technology of the ST60 outweighed any possible advantages of the upscale GT50.

However, I'm sure that the GT50 is a great TV at a great price if its feature set is preferred or if the physical appearance of the GT50 sets your heart racing. If I had found the GT50 for a lower price than the ST60, I probably would've bought it, but I didn't.

So, it's the P50ST60, but I'm sure that the P50GT50 wouldn't be a mistake for anyone who values the physical appearance or additional features of the GT50 over the ST60. (Even though I said the physical appearance isn't important to me, the GT50 is a beautiful TV to behold!)

Just remember, these are all great TV's and you have to live with them a while to really tell which you prefer and in any one category, they are so similar that the differences mostly boil down to personal taste and budget.
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The S64 is the same panel as the S60, with a louvre filter - which is a low end filter.

Actually it's not a "low end filter" - the S64 Louver Filter is the exact same one as used on the ST60 and VT60.

This filter makes the ST60 marginally less reflective, but bright objects reflected in the screen during darker scenes will still be visible but more muted and not as clearly defined.

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If you read the specs on the Panasonic site, they claim different (or at least differently named filters) for the s64 and ST60. The ST does use an upgraded panel, but if the filter on the S64 fixes the mirror problem, the S64 is definitely a great bargain assuming you don't care about 3D, etc.

It turns out that I have a friend who is moving to Europe who sold me his six month old P50GT50 for $600. Luckily, I was able to cancel the order on the P50ST60. I couldn't pass up $600 as opposed to $1080 including sales tax.

The GT50 fixes the "mirror" problem I had with the S60 and it is great on THX. As I mentioned previously, I will calibrate the TV after I've lived with it for a week so I know what so I know what sources have problems.

For me I would've paid $800 for a GT50, but I'd pay the $1080 for the P50ST60 over the paying $900 for the GT50, but I can't imagine not being happy with either the GT50 or the ST60.

I don't care about 3D and I like the more straight-forward navigation and (silly as it sounds) the Netflix button on the new ST60 remote that wasn't on the GT50.

One other thing: In the HDTV Shootout, the VT50 was universally acclaimed better than any of the Samsung's by the audience and the professionals. This year the audience thought the Samsung 8500 was better than the ST60 due to the brightness of the 8500, but the pros still preferred the Panasonic. http://www.*********************.
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There's a Netflix button on my GT50 remote...
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If you read the specs on the Panasonic site, they claim different (or at least differently named filters) for the s64 and ST60.

This is often a source of confusion - The "Louver Filter" we were discussing is the Anti-Reflective Filter that's on the outer glass, and it is indeed the same filter that's shared by the S64, ST60, and VT60. Same exact AR Filter on all three models.

The filter you're talking about is the "black filter" that's on the face of the face of the plasma panel itself which helps determine the black level and light output. The Black Filter is completely separate from the Louver Filter. The S60 and S64 use the "Infinite Black" filter, and the ST60 uses a slightly darker "Infinite Black Pro" filter.

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I see nobody's mentioned the terrible input lag that's been associated with the ST60. I was looking into replacing my dead p65gt50 and trying to see if I should just buy the same thing, or move on to a 2013 model. It looked like the p65st60 was going to be the one, however the input lag is unacceptable for me. However the s60 or ps64 has virtually no input lag, however I think the panels might be a drop in quality perhaps? So now I'm wondering if I should just go back to the gt50 anyway... which sucks because I could care less about crappy 3D or useless smart tv features. I'd use one of my roku's, ps3, or 360 for that.

Any recommendations?
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Thank you for that clarification on the filters.
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