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my optical cable is ok, I see a red light through,

AVR I assigned -01- to digital out for the TV and now tv gets selected

When watching tv I press APPS and avr switches to TV
I select home theater in viera link but no sound.

My optical cable was working before with another system. Any other clues

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my optical cable is ok, I see a red light through,

AVR I assigned -01- to digital out for the TV and now tv gets selected

When watching tv I press APPS and avr switches to TV
I select home theater in viera link but no sound.

My optical cable was working before with another system. Any other clues

Could try power cycle the TV, off and back on.

As a test, connect the optical cable to another source (e.g. cable box, blu-ray, Xbox, etc...) to receiver. If you get audio now then it has something to do with the TV. If no audio then possible the optical cable is bad.
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Good news

Finally found the the error ===== Optic cable
the red light was faintly

with the new Optic cable which I had to by due the old one was not long enough the red light is more brilliant.

Bad news, I screwed up my flat HDMI cable of the ps3.

Thanks guys

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Now I have a small problem with the audio.

When i put on the tv and avr via remote, I see on the display HDMI= none

and I see PRV stereo but I see video but no audio

I push the i/o button on the avr (large one) and I get Dolby digital and audio.

If I put the HDMI control OFF and on, then everything works ok.



Could be I have to change some sequence in the Harmony one, such switch off and off the avr

.How can I remedy this problem. tia

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I had to delay the power on of the AVR to 3000 ms

now working.

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So I noticed that setting my panel brightness to high greatly reduces line bleed I was getting. Thought that was kinda interesting. Throws some of my settings out of whack though. Are there any settings out there calibrated for "high" panel brightness?
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So I noticed that setting my panel brightness to high greatly reduces line bleed I was getting. Thought that was kinda interesting. Throws some of my settings out of whack though. Are there any settings out there calibrated for "high" panel brightness?
Yes. Chad calibrated my ZT with high panel brightness. I like it!
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Yes. Chad calibrated my ZT with high panel brightness. I like it!
Good to hear. May boot up the WoW disc this weekend and play with some settings.
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North American TC-PxxVT60 Reference Settings

Picture
Picture Mode: Professional 1 (Day)
Contrast: 90
Brightness: +4
Color: 46
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Normal
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off


Pro Settings
Panel Brightness: High
AGC: 0
Black Extension: 0
Color Gamut: Normal

W/B Detail Adjustment
W/B High R: -1
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B: -21
W/B Low R: 0
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: 0

(W/B) More Detail Adjustment
10 W/B R: 9
10 W/B G: 0
10 W/B B: -1

20 W/B R: 8
20 W/B G: 0
20 W/B B: -9

30 W/B R: 7
30 W/B G: 0
30 W/B B: -13

40 W/B R: 6
40 W/B G: 0
40 W/B B: -14

50 W/B R: 4
50 W/B G: 0
50 W/B B: -10

60 W/B R: 0
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B: -13

70 W/B R: -1
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B: -8

80 W/B R: -4
80 W/B G: 0
80 W/B B: -6

90 W/B R: -5
90 W/B G: 0
90 W/B B: -8

100 W/B R: -4
100 W/B G: 0
100 W/B B: -9

Color Detail Adjustment
R-Hue: 3
R-Sat: -6
R-Lum: -5

G-Hue: 21
G-Sat: 27
G-Lum: 0

B-Hue: 0
B-Sat: -2
B-Lum: -4

Y-Hue: -1
Y-Sat: 0
Y-Lum: 4

C-Hue: -4
C-Sat: -1
C-Lum: 3

M-Hue: 4
M-Sat: 1
M-Lum: -11


Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma: 2.4

(Gamma) More Detail Adjustment
10 Gain: 38
20 Gain: 18
30 Gain: 4
40 Gain: -18
50 Gain: -32
60 Gain: -29
70 Gain: -25
80 Gain: -22
90 Gain: -15
100 Gain: -2

Advance Picture
3:2 PullDown: Auto

HDMI Content Type
***All Off***

HDMI/DVI RGB Range
***All Off***

Black Level: Light


Picture
Picture Mode: Professional 2 (Night)
Contrast: 58
Brightness: +4
Color: 47
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Normal
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off


Pro Settings
Panel Brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black Extension: 0
Color Gamut: Normal

W/B Detail Adjustment
W/B High R: 0
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B: -25
W/B Low R: 0
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: 0

(W/B) More Detail Adjustment
10 W/B R: 23
10 W/B G: 0
10 W/B B: 25

20 W/B R: 10
20 W/B G: 0
20 W/B B: 3

30 W/B R: 9
30 W/B G: 0
30 W/B B: -3

40 W/B R: 5
40 W/B G: 0
40 W/B B: -3

50 W/B R: 2
50 W/B G: 0
50 W/B B: -9

60 W/B R: 1
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B: -2

70 W/B R: -2
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B: -2

80 W/B R: -4
80 W/B G: 0
80 W/B B: -2

90 W/B R: -4
90 W/B G: 0
90 W/B B: 1

100 W/B R: -9
100 W/B G: 0
100 W/B B: 5

Color Detail Adjustment
R-Hue: 4
R-Sat: -6
R-Lum: -5

G-Hue: 20
G-Sat: 21
G-Lum: 0

B-Hue: 0
B-Sat: -1
B-Lum: -3

Y-Hue: -1
Y-Sat: 0
Y-Lum: 3

C-Hue: 0
C-Sat: -1
C-Lum: 3

M-Hue: 2
M-Sat: 1
M-Lum: -11


Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma: 2.4

(Gamma) More Detail Adjustment
10 Gain: -28
20 Gain: -6
30 Gain: 2
40 Gain: 8
50 Gain: 7
60 Gain: 8
70 Gain: 5
80 Gain: 3
90 Gain: 1
100 Gain: 0

Advance Picture
3:2 PullDown: Auto

HDMI Content Type
***All Off***

HDMI/DVI RGB Range
***All Off***

Black Level: Light

Not to sound like an uneducated soul, but what are slides? Can I just pop in the calibration settings as posted? Also, is professional the same as custom? Thanks in advance!
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random issue

I have a 60st60. I purchased it in January and have had a recurring issue. Randomly, and I mean once a week or so, the image instantly changes to a double image and gets a pink hue to it. When I say double image, it looks as though an additional image is overlayed onto the original but about a foot or so up and to the right if I recall. It only lasts for 3-5 seconds and I have no warning when it happens. It happens using the component input and HDMI and when the HDMI is bypassing the surround receiver so I have ruled out the video switching in the receiver. I haven't been able to find any other reports of this, but I don't know if it has a specific name. The tv doesn't blink a code so I am assuming the tv is unaware that something has happened.
Any thoughts? I am thinking about contacting a repair center but I don't know what to tell them is wrong.
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I have a 60st60. I purchased it in January and have had a recurring issue. Randomly, and I mean once a week or so, the image instantly changes to a double image and gets a pink hue to it. When I say double image, it looks as though an additional image is overlayed onto the original but about a foot or so up and to the right if I recall. It only lasts for 3-5 seconds and I have no warning when it happens. It happens using the component input and HDMI and when the HDMI is bypassing the surround receiver so I have ruled out the video switching in the receiver. I haven't been able to find any other reports of this, but I don't know if it has a specific name. The tv doesn't blink a code so I am assuming the tv is unaware that something has happened.
Any thoughts? I am thinking about contacting a repair center but I don't know what to tell them is wrong.
Sounds like it thinks it receiving a 3-d signal. Go into 3-d settings and make sure auto 3-d is turned off.
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Thanks!

Thanks! I didn't realize it had this setting. It was set to auto 2.
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I'm struggling a bit to understand what it is exactly that the settings in these models do (and it doesn't help that I'm currently meterless).

For example, which points do the CMS controls (r-hue, r-sat, r-lum, etc.) pull around, to what extent and in which direction? Can the greyscale spine be shifted using these controls or do they only act on non-zero saturation points?

Does anyone have a mathematical model of an idealized version of Panasonic's VT60 colour management/decoding system that describes how input signal values are transformed into output values? Or, failing that, some pseudocode?

When I look around online all I see are some charts and graphs and people using trial and error to make adjustments. I cannot find any Panasonic documentation explaining how these controls work in detail. The mathematical models I find concern general colour space transformations etc., but do not include any reference to 10-pt gamma controls etc. And we end up with various seemingly inexplicable mysteries, e.g., why changing the gamma preset to 2.4 necessitates a change in the brightness control value.

Perhaps there is information out there that I haven't found, but as things stand I find this incredibly frustrating.
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fluxo,

Everything you need to understand the CMS is in this link: Basic Guide to Color Calibration using a CMS (updated and enhanced)

Good luck in getting someone to spend the time explaining how to use the specific controls for a specific TV.

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I'm struggling a bit to understand what it is exactly that the settings in these models do (and it doesn't help that I'm currently meterless).

For example, which points do the CMS controls (r-hue, r-sat, r-lum, etc.) pull around, to what extent and in which direction? Can the greyscale spine be shifted using these controls or do they only act on non-zero saturation points?

Does anyone have a mathematical model of an idealized version of Panasonic's VT60 colour management/decoding system that describes how input signal values are transformed into output values? Or, failing that, some pseudocode?




When I look around online all I see are some charts and graphs and people using trial and error to make adjustments. I cannot find any Panasonic documentation explaining how these controls work in detail. The mathematical models I find concern general colour space transformations etc., but do not include any reference to 10-pt gamma controls etc. And we end up with various seemingly inexplicable mysteries, e.g., why changing the gamma preset to 2.4 necessitates a change in the brightness control value.

Perhaps there is information out there that I haven't found, but as things stand I find this incredibly frustrating.

'Why do you need to understand the controls ? Pretty simple buy software use a meter and let all that number crunching happen in the software.

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'Why do you need to understand the controls ? Pretty simple buy software use a meter and let all that number crunching happen in the software.

Might it be that he is interested in the technical aspects of color science rather than just twisting knobs? (Guess I dated myself there. )

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Might it be that he is interested in the technical aspects of color science rather than just twisting knobs? (Guess I dated myself there. )

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Guess I took it as request for calibration help on a specific set.
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fluxo,

Everything you need to understand the CMS is in this link: Basic Guide to Color Calibration using a CMS (updated and enhanced)

Good luck in getting someone to spend the time explaining how to use the specific controls for a specific TV.

Larry
That is practical guide to calibration, but it doesn't really explain the calculations done by a CMS.
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'Why do you need to understand the controls ? Pretty simple buy software use a meter and let all that number crunching happen in the software.
I suppose one could go back and forth fiddling with the controls and hoping to get it right by trial and error. Which is what a lot of people seem to be doing. Or one could try to understand what the controls are doing and design an efficient approach and order of adjustment based on that knowledge.

Whether or not it makes any difference to calibration, it's nice to understand things.
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That is practical guide to calibration, but it doesn't really explain the calculations done by a CMS.
There is no explanation of the calculations in the sense that you want. You simply adjust the CMS component item values to obtain a match with the specified color coordinates. chunon said this.

Maybe you should start by reading some descriptions of basic color color calibration.

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I suppose one could go back and forth fiddling with the controls and hoping to get it right by trial and error. Which is what a lot of people seem to be doing. Or one could try to understand what the controls are doing and design an efficient approach and order of adjustment based on that knowledge.

Whether or not it makes any difference to calibration, it's nice to understand things.
Guess I am spoiled by a custom airflow in calman pretty much takes any gues work out of the equation IMO

I understand your point tho no offense intended
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There is no explanation of the calculations in the sense that you want. You simply adjust the CMS component item values to obtain a match with the specified color coordinates. chunon said this.

Maybe you should start by reading some descriptions of basic color color calibration.

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I don't want to calibrate a TV. I want to understand what those controls are designed to do and what calculations the TV is doing based on the settings. Simple curiosity.
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I don't want to calibrate a TV. I want to understand what those controls are designed to do and what calculations the TV is doing based on the settings. Simple curiosity.
I've already answered this -- twice. The TV is doing what you need to match the coordinates of the color you desire. The TV is doing nothing more than what you want it to do.

Read some more basic stuff about calibration.

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I've already answered this -- twice. The TV is doing what you need to match the coordinates of the color you desire. The TV is doing nothing more than what you want it to do.

Read some more basic stuff about calibration.

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Firstly, it is well known that these TVs are awkward to calibrate (see various reviews), so the TV isn't really behaving in the expected way. I.e., you change one setting to adjust one or more points and due to the interaction of controls something else you don't want to change does. In that sense it is doing more than people want it to do.

And secondly, "basic stuff" on calibration is not going to explain how, for example, the Panasonic sets interpolate (assuming that is a correct way of looking at things).

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Firstly, it is well known that these TVs are awkward to calibrate (see various reviews), so the TV isn't really behaving in the expected way. In that sense it is doing more than people want it to do.

And secondly, "basic stuff" on calibration is not going to explain how, for example, the Panasonic sets interpolate (assuming that is a correct way of looking at things).

Sorry, I do not understand you.

The only function of the CMS is to calibrated the TV in order to meet standard specifications. Until you comprehend this, I cannot be of any help.

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Sorry, I do not understand you.

The only function of the CMS is to calibrated the TV in order to meet standard specifications. Until you comprehend this, I cannot be of any help.

Larry
Yes, but what is it doing to achieve that?

I am not interested in what you can do with it or its intended purpose. I am interested in the mathematical functions it computes.

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Anyone have the TH-P42ST60W?

It's the 42" Taiwan version. Followed the first two posts and it looks great. It is a little brighter and more punchy than I thought it would be, but Cinema and True Cinema seem fine when I want something more reserved. The biggest difference I found was that my set only has one warm color temperature setting. This TV will serve the bedroom well until 4K cable becomes the norm.
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Yes, but what is it doing to achieve that?

I am not interested in what you can do with it or its intended purpose. I am interested in the mathematical functions it computes.
If you read the post that I linked you to, you would not be asking this. Tom Huffman describes the control management system (CMS) and using its hue, saturation, and lightness controls. He even has a table of desired mathematical results. He even shows pictures of how the HSL controls change the way the color appears on the screen.

Why you continue to ask the same question over again and refuse to dig into the historical (and mathematical) aspects of color display theory is beyond me. Your answers are there. You can even Google it. Or you can re-ask over in the calibration forum.

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If you read the post that I linked you to, you would not be asking this. Tom Huffman describes the control management system (CMS) and using its hue, saturation, and lightness controls. He even has a table of desired mathematical results. He even shows pictures of how the HSL controls change the way the color appears on the screen.

Why you continue to ask the same question over again and refuse to dig into the historical (and mathematical) aspects of color display theory is beyond me.
I can only presume it's beyond you because you fail to understand what it is I am after.

I did, as it happens, skim through the post you linked to and it contains a lot of information I already knew, but nothing that would help answer the questions have. Unless, that is, I have overlooked something, but I think that is unlikely.

You seem to be making a lot of unwarranted assumptions and I don't know if that is because I have not been clear enough. As a general rule, though, if I ask a question I don't want to read the answer to (a) a question I didn't ask or (b) a "you don't need to know that" type statement.

I'm sorry if this appears confrontational, but I would rather be discovering new things than getting entangled in an endless fruitless exchange. So let's forget about this here and I'll look elsewhere for answers.

Thank you for your patience.
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Ok, a different question. The panel type option in the service menu: what does that do?

Over here (UK) the options are 50FHD, 55FHD and 65FHD and I would think those would refer to the three sizes of VT60 sold in this country (50", 55", 65").

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