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Joshjp, Panel brightness low degrades blacks, any particular reason you are not using medium ?

Source please?
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Not sure if it was in his ST60 review or not but he told me in person when he did my ST60 calibration.

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Not sure if it was in his ST60 review or not but he told me in person when he did my ST60 calibration.

I think it might be mentioned in his VT60 review. He also told me the same thing in a PM.
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I'll check out his vt review, thanks guys!
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"Panel brightness low raises the black level and seriously degrades contrast ratio, so I tried calibrating the VT60 in panel brightness mid and finally in high. As in the 30 and 50 series, panel brightness mid is the best choice for an accurate image. It allows a moderately bright image that is adequate for up to a normal family room ambient light level. However, some viewers may prefer a brighter image, so I attempted to calibrate a Day mode with panel brightness set to high. High allows about a 33% boost in light output, though it causes serious white crush at and above 95% at any contrast setting that gives a light output above about 26 fL. The white crush in PB high was visible with real images, so I consider both PB high and low seriously flawed at this time. However, in 3D mode PB high does not crush white and is perfectly usable."

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"Panel brightness low raises the black level and seriously degrades contrast ratio, so I tried calibrating the VT60 in panel brightness mid and finally in high. As in the 30 and 50 series, panel brightness mid is the best choice for an accurate image. It allows a moderately bright image that is adequate for up to a normal family room ambient light level. However, some viewers may prefer a brighter image, so I attempted to calibrate a Day mode with panel brightness set to high. High allows about a 33% boost in light output, though it causes serious white crush at and above 95% at any contrast setting that gives a light output above about 26 fL. The white crush in PB high was visible with real images, so I consider both PB high and low seriously flawed at this time. However, in 3D mode PB high does not crush white and is perfectly usable."

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467563/official-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/690#post_23272374

I took delivery of a 65VT60 at my Wisconsin residence yesterday. Unfortunately I'm down in Florida and will not get a chance to work on it until the second half of January.

However, I also have a 65VT50 and PNL BRT HIGH in 2D is very possible but you must use 3D LUTs to do it. I'm getting 50 foot Lamberts out of it. All colors clip right at 235.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/12420#post_23404076

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You live a hard life Buzz oh the horror, winters in Florida summers in Wisconsin, how to do you do it biggrin.gif

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You live a hard life Buzz oh the horror, winters in Florida summers in Wisconsin, how to do you do it biggrin.gif

After 15 years as a FL resident I'm moving permanently to WI as of Jan 15th. I'll be renting in warm climates during the winters thereafter. smile.gif The better news is that I'm building a house and I'll have a dedicated theater for me to play around in. biggrin.gif
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After 15 years as a FL resident I'm moving permanently to WI as of Jan 15th. I'll be renting in warm climates during the winters thereafter. smile.gif The better news is that I'm building a house and I'll have a dedicated theater for me to play around in. biggrin.gif



Ahhh a winter of hibernation in a dedicated HT... That is my idea of a good retirement wink.gif
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After 15 years as a FL resident I'm moving permanently to WI as of Jan 15th. I'll be renting in warm climates during the winters thereafter. smile.gif The better news is that I'm building a house and I'll have a dedicated theater for me to play around in. biggrin.gif



Ahhh a winter of hibernation in a dedicated HT... That is my idea of a good retirement wink.gif

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I have been trying various settings to see what looks best on my 60ST60. I want to preface this by saying that I realize copying settings is no substitute to a real professional calibration. I have had 3 professional calibrations in the past on previous TV's including using the talents of Jeff Meier and Michael Chen. But I can't afford a calibration currently so here are the settings that I have found work best with my TV after extensive testing with the AVS 709 disc. The settings are combination of posted settings from Michael Chen and D-Nice with some tweaks I applied based on the AVS disc.

Picture mode: Custom
Contrast: 85 day mode; 70 night mode
Brightness: +5 (+3 with Oppo 103 set to dithered)
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color temp: Warm 2
Vivid Color: Off
C.A.T.S: Off
Video NR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Motion Smoother: Off

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Panel Brightness: Mid
AGC: Off
Black Extension: Off
Color Gamut: Normal

W/B Detail Adjustment
W/B High R: -12
W/B High G: 0
W/B High B: 2
W/B Low R: 0
W/B Low G: 0
W/B Low B: 0

W/B More Detail Adjustment
60 W/B R: 2
60 W/B G: 0
60 W/B B: -2

70 W/B R: 2
70 W/B G: 0
70 W/B B: -2

Color Detail Adjustment
R-Hue: -21
R-Sat: -9
R-Lum: -12

G-Hue: 0
G-Sat: -50
G-Lum: -4

B-Hue: 0
B-Sat: -20
B-Lum: -11

Gamma Detail Adjustment
Gamma 2.6

Gamma More Detail Adjustment
10 Gain: -33
20 Gain: -15
30 Gain: -6
40 Gain: -3
50 Gain: -2
60 Gain: 3
70 Gain: 3
80 Gain -1
90 Gain 0
100 Gain: 0

Everything else default

I suggest using the AVS 709 disc or something such as the Disney WOW disc or the Spears and Munsil Bluray to evaluate how any settings look on your particular set.
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Thanks for sharing your settings. W/B you list only 60 and 70. Why not the others? I have the 60st60, would the gama be the same as yours?
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Ok guys here are my CALIBRATION SETTINGS after using Disney WOW.

Picture Mode - Custom
Contrast - 78
Brightness - +2
Color - 44
Tint - -2
Sharpness - 0
Color Temp - Warm2
Vivid Color - Off
C.A.T.S. - Off
Video NR - Off
MPEG NR - Off
Motion Smoother - Off

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Panel Brightness - Low
AGC - 0
Black extension - 0
Color gamut - Normal
W/B detail adjustment - All at 0
Color detail adjustment - All at 0
Gamma detail adjustment - Gamma 2.6, leave the More detail adjustment at 0

ADVANCED:
Game mode - Off
24p Direct in - 60Hz ( Often Grayed Out)
3:2 pulldown - Off ( Often Grayed Out)
1080p pixel direct - Off
HDMI content type - All Off
HDMI/DVI RGB range - All HDMI to standard ( 16-235 )
Black level - Light

SCREEN SETTINGS:
Screen format - Full
Overscan - Off
H size - Size 1

This is not considered " calibration", you need to use a colormeter that is accurate to do greyscale , white balance and gamma . I would call it basic picture setup. Copying settings ex: Dnice's will more then likely make the picture worse. I have a meter and varified that his settings end up making my picture too red. Redish whites, blacks and shadows.
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Wow. I was under the impression that these were calibration settings that I could use. If I was to use a WOW type disk would that be more of a prep for a calibration? Just trying to avoid the expense of hiring a calibrator.
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This is not considered " calibration", you need to use a colormeter that is accurate to do greyscale , white balance and gamma . I would call it basic picture setup. Copying settings ex: Dnice's will more then likely make the picture worse. I have a meter and varified that his settings end up making my picture too red. Redish whites, blacks and shadows.
It is a form of calibration, thats why i said i was using WOW, its not perfect, but its a starting point.

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Thanks for sharing your settings. W/B you list only 60 and 70. Why not the others? I have the 60st60, would the gama be the same as yours?
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The white balance settings are from a Michael Chen posted calibration. They produce a very good looking greyscale ramp on my set. I tried all other settings such as D-Nice's and they all were pretty messed up in many areas making grey look red.

I used D-Nice's gamma which is based on his 50 inch set. I used it mainly because the majority of settings lowered the numbers in the 10-40 ire range. After doing that I needed to raise the brightness up one click. The overall picture looks improved with those gamma settings. I kept the 2.6 setting for daytime as being able to use contrast at 85 seemed to combat the need to set gamma at 2.4

The interesting part I found about the contrast is that starting at 70 with brightness at +5 I continued to raise the contrast up and the brightness chart went from 17 to 19 the higher I went but when I reached 84-85 it went back down to 17 which is ideal. That allowed for a great daytime setting that showed flashing white at 244 and flashing all primaries at 247. It also makes it easy to switch back and forth between day and night setting by simply raising and lowering contrast.
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Wow. I was under the impression that these were calibration settings that I could use. If I was to use a WOW type disk would that be more of a prep for a calibration? Just trying to avoid the expense of hiring a calibrator.

Then don't. THX mode is close enough to reference that no calibration is needed.

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Is there a THX mode on the ST60? I may have missed that setting
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Is there a THX mode on the ST60? I may have missed that setting

Don't know- I thought we were talking about a VT60.

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OK, so from what I have gathered running the WOW disk or something similar would be an alternative to stepping up and getting a true calibration. I would love to just copy one of the settings from this site but each T60 set is a bit different.
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OK, so from what I have gathered running the WOW disk or something similar would be an alternative to stepping up and getting a true calibration. I would love to just copy one of the settings from this site but each T60 set is a bit different.



If your talking about the ST60 S&V magazines settings work very well. I'm not a big believer in using someone else's settings for anything but in this case they worked well for me. I will try the Spears & Munsil disc I bought, but for right now my panel looks so good I'm in no hurry.
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If your talking about the ST60 S&V magazines settings work very well. I'm not a big believer in using someone else's settings for anything but in this case they worked well for me. I will try the Spears & Munsil disc I bought, but for right now my panel looks so good I'm in no hurry.

I feel the same way using both DNice's Custom and CNET's Cinema picture settings fo the ST60, both Picture Modes are working great for me with outstanding picture quality. smile.gif
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Do you have a link for the S/V settings?
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Wow. I was under the impression that these were calibration settings that I could use. If I was to use a WOW type disk would that be more of a prep for a calibration? Just trying to avoid the expense of hiring a calibrator.
That's easy. A professional calibration is not something many people buy. Just pick the mode you prefer other that Standard and Vivid, and enjoy. Later on you may want to tinker with something like the Disney WoW disk to adjust some of your settings.

As I understand the Panasonic displays, Standard mode is intended to get their sets a good power consumption rating. Vivid mode, or the equivalent Panasonic mode, is intended to make the set look better in a show room like Best Buy. Also be sure that when you originally started up your TV that you selected "home use" and not "showroom".

Don't spend too much time in calibration threads. eek.gif

I seem to be confused about which model TV you have. I think I've seen referenced to the S60 and the ST60 in your posts. For instance, D-Nice has done settings for the ST60 models, but not for the S60 models. wink.gif

As long as posted settings are for your model family, then try any posted settings that you want as long as they don't involve service menu changes. Your objective should be to find something that pleases you. You should also avoid concern over some unknown amazing picture qualities that you are missing.

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