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Perhaps he was being a little paranoid about an agenda against Samsung but to call his 1100 dollar purchase he us obviously happy with a bad tv and point out how no one is discussing it is a little harsh . Plus this was a couple of pages ago. Surprised this is still going on.

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51f5500 is at BB now if anyone cares
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thanks for the support for such a BAD TV

No problem! And I wasn't all that serious when I called you paranoid.

The Brits over at the avforums seem to really like their sets!

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No problem! And I wasn't all that serious when I called you paranoid.

The Brits over at the avforums seem to really like their sets!
I'M thick Skinned but i'm very happy with this TV F5500

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I own a E7000. I'm one of those who saw the softness in the Panny GT50 in a side-by-side and went with Samsung. Can someone who's actually seen the ST60 and E7000/8000 or F5500 compare the sharpness of the new Panny? Thanks.
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I own a E7000. I'm one of those who saw the softness in the Panny GT50 in a side-by-side and went with Samsung. Can someone who's actually seen the ST60 and E7000/8000 or F5500 compare the sharpness of the new Panny? Thanks.
I owned the ST60 and the E7000. The ST60 seems to be as sharp as the E7000 was. I did not have them both at the same time to compare but not once did I ever feel the ST60 picture was softer then the E7000. The ST60 offers a great picture and softness was not anything that once crossed my mind.
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me too,.always positioned in an odd manner at Best Buy. Thanks! 4.gif
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Even though I ordered the st60 I'm still impatiently waiting for reviews on the f5500.

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I owned the ST60 and the E7000. The ST60 seems to be as sharp as the E7000 was. I did not have them both at the same time to compare but not once did I ever feel the ST60 picture was softer then the E7000. The ST60 offers a great picture and softness was not anything that once crossed my mind.

For reasons I won't get into I need to replace my 7000 and need to pare the field down to a couple of sets. This helps. Thanks.
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Can someone who's actually seen the ST60 and E7000/8000 or F5500 compare the sharpness of the new Panny?
Not exactly, but I can compare the c8000 with the st60. On Friday, I was watching a movie on HBO, Basic Instinct 2, when the BB delivery guys came with my new st60. It only took them 15 minutes or so to remove the old Samsung and plug in the new Panny. The same movie was still on, but I was shocked at how blurry the picture was, now. Yes, I say shocked! I thought I must have a defective st60.

But then I looked at some other TV channels, and some of them looked much better. The Science Channel looked fine. On the Cooking Channel, the food was sharp, but the kitchen behind it was blurry. So then I realized what was going on.

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Not exactly, but I can compare the c8000 with the st60. On Friday, I was watching a movie on HBO, Basic Instinct 2, when the BB delivery guys came with my new st60. It only took them 15 minutes or so to remove the old Samsung and plug in the new Panny. The same movie was still on, but I was shocked at how blurry the picture was, now. Yes, I say shocked! I thought I must have a defective st60.

But then I looked at some other TV channels, and some of them looked much better. The Science Channel looked fine. On the Cooking Channel, the food was sharp, but the kitchen behind it was blurry. So then I realized what was going on.

Ill break down and agree some cable content isn't all that. I really notice it on certain commercials. Insurance one where the old guy dangles the dollar on the fishing line is horrible. But in contrast a commercial like the Wendy's one with the cute redhead girl looks astounding and that twisted tea commercial too. The set is finicky with content more so than all other panels I owned. It is nowhere near as bad as the 50 series and a lot more rare.
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Ill break down and agree some cable content isn't all that. I really notice it on certain commercials. Insurance one where the old guy dangles the dollar on the fishing line is horrible. But in contrast a commercial like the Wendy's one with the cute redhead girl looks astounding and that twisted tea commercial too. The set is finicky with content more so than all other panels I owned. It is nowhere near as bad as the 50 series and a lot more rare.

I actually last week thought duh my avr (denon 1913)upscales so I have it taking my 720p/1080i cable signal and up converting it to 1080p that helped a lot for some of the lower end content.
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Not exactly, but I can compare the c8000 with the st60. On Friday, I was watching a movie on HBO, Basic Instinct 2, when the BB delivery guys came with my new st60. It only took them 15 minutes or so to remove the old Samsung and plug in the new Panny. The same movie was still on, but I was shocked at how blurry the picture was, now. Yes, I say shocked! I thought I must have a defective st60.

But then I looked at some other TV channels, and some of them looked much better. The Science Channel looked fine. On the Cooking Channel, the food was sharp, but the kitchen behind it was blurry. So then I realized what was going on.

That's not what I was hoping to hear. To be fair there can be huge differences in PQ between HD channels, and between shows or commercials on the same channel. But your report of seeing the same HBO broadcast on the two sets, with an apparent big decline with the ST60, is interesting. Although it doesn't sound like you had much time to do any configuration tweaking. Still it's an indication I shouldn't order a ST60 sight unseen and be confident it will be an improvement over my E7000, at least on the sharpness factor.
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After lots of reading from this thread I've purchased the F5500. It was a solid set with great PQ...settings were nice right out of the box but looked better after the firmware update and a bit of tweaking. Since it was my first plasma, I thought that buzzing noise plasmas made was a defect in the TV so i returned it after 2 days and got a Panasonic S60 (which made the same noise). The S60 required a lot more tweaking right out of the box to look good.

Both sets costed me the EXACT same amount (899 CAD + tax at FutureShop). Now for the comparison. I honestly think the Samsung was a better TV. The S60 had deeper blacks but I feel like the PQ on the Samsung was a tiny bit better (although this opinion seems to vary between people), it had 3d, better smart features, better speakers and is an inch bigger. For 2 Tv's that costed the same I think Samsung had more to offer. I miss my Samsung right now and might go back an get it if more calibrations dont get my Panny set looking better.

Btw I dont think you can compare the ST60 to the F5500...I think the S60 would be the better comparison. I saw the ST60 in store and it was definitely better then both sets I've owned
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After lots of reading from this thread I've purchased the F5500. It was a solid set with great PQ...settings were nice right out of the box but looked better after the firmware update and a bit of tweaking. Since it was my first plasma, I thought that buzzing noise plasmas made was a defect in the TV so i returned it after 2 days and got a Panasonic S60 (which made the same noise). The S60 required a lot more tweaking right out of the box to look good.

Both sets costed me the EXACT same amount (899 CAD + tax at FutureShop). Now for the comparison. I honestly think the Samsung was a much better TV. The S60 had deeper blacks but I feel like the PQ on the Samsung was better, it had 3d, better smart features, better speakers and is an inch bigger. For 2 Tv's that costed the same I think Samsung blew Panasonic away. I miss my Samsung right now and might go back an get it if more calibrations dont get my Panny set looking better.

Btw I dont think you can compare the ST60 to the F5500...I think the S60 would be the better comparison. I saw the ST60 in store and it was definitely better then both sets I've owned

Nice comparison. What was better about the st60 you observed over over the f5500?
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Ok you caught my quote before I edited it lol. I played around with the panny settings more and I have come to the conclusion that PQ may be slightly better on the panny but honestly ud have to have the sets side by side to to even notice

To answer your question st60 looked sharper deeper blacks and had more features then the s60 (3d,more apps, and I think a better graphics processor too). Very fast paced scenes didn't blur like the s60 did. . Easily better then any of the models I got but at 400CAD more (1299CAD)

S60 AND F5500 are both entry level plasmas... The st60 is not. Btw I'm probably going to keep my S60
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Ok you caught my quote before I edited it lol. I played around with the panny settings more and I have come to the conclusion that PQ may be slightly better on the panny but honestly ud have to have the sets side by side to to even notice

To answer your question st60 looked sharper deeper blacks and had more features then the s60 (3d,more apps, and I think a better graphics processor too). Very fast paced scenes didn't blur like the s60 did. . Easily better then any of the models I got but at 400CAD more (1299CAD)

S60 AND F5500 are both entry level plasmas... The st60 is not. Btw I'm probably going to keep my S60

F5500 is supposed to be mid-level... F4500 and F5300 are supposed to be entry. But to you it seems mid-level, huh. Well guess that's good news since this was the only other tv I had considered.
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You're right Samsung does have lower models for the 50" plasma so I guess it is mid level. At my futureshop there are various models of samsung but only 2 of Panasonic (S and ST).

Any way you slice it S60, ST60 and F5500 are all great plasmas and I doubt you would be disappointed with either one of them. But the ST Vierra series is the best of the 3 and the most expensive.

I love the PQ of my S60 and everyday Im liking it more and more. I dont regret my exchange at all anymore. The samsung is a very close second but offers you more "goodies" as well.
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Money is kind of tight right now. I'm seriously tempted to cancel my st60 and get the f5500. Not only would I save 300 dollars but I'd have the tv within a day or two instead of another few weeks.

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Sorry 5500 is entry level compared to the mid level ST60
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So update for those curious about reviews. David Katzmaier, in a reply to an email I sent said it will be about another 3 weeks but he can't tell me any more details than that.

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Ok you caught my quote before I edited it lol. I played around with the panny settings more and I have come to the conclusion that PQ may be slightly better on the panny but honestly ud have to have the sets side by side to to even notice

To answer your question st60 looked sharper deeper blacks and had more features then the s60 (3d,more apps, and I think a better graphics processor too). Very fast paced scenes didn't blur like the s60 did. . Easily better then any of the models I got but at 400CAD more (1299CAD)

S60 AND F5500 are both entry level plasmas... The st60 is not. Btw I'm probably going to keep my S60

the S60 AND F5500 are both entry level plasmas...???????
the F5500 has 3D smart Hub and the S60 has no 3D
i would think you need to compare the S60 to the F5300
the X60 and the F4500 are the entry level Plasmas.

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Sorry 5500 is entry level compared to the mid level ST60
This is your opinion but the F5500 is a MID Level TV if they compare them then thats another story all together and it's reflected in the cost
the 50St60 is over 1300 dollars the 51f5500 is around 850

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The ST60 has deeper blacks virtually the same as the VT60, the F5500 has a pentile RGBG slab, the slab ST60 to RGB ...
Clearly, the ST60 does not play in the same runs as the F5500 ... wink.gif
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This is your opinion but the F5500 is a MID Level TV if they compare them then thats another story all together and it's reflected in the cost
the 50St60 is over 1300 dollars the 51f5500 is around 850

Double check your pricing. I see the 50ST60 for $999 at several places on-line and at B&M's such as Best Buy and Sears.
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Double check your pricing. I see the 50ST60 for $999 at several places on-line and at B&M's such as Best Buy and Sears.
sorry the 55" is a little over 1300 i typed 50 instead of 55

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the S60 AND F5500 are both entry level plasmas...???????
the F5500 has 3D smart Hub and the S60 has no 3D
i would think you need to compare the S60 to the F5300
the X60 and the F4500 are the entry level Plasmas.

Since Samsung ditched the 6 series you could technically say the F5500 is entry level as it doesn't have the all important “Real Black Pro” anti-reflective coating. It is a fine TV don't get me wrong but it IS very much entry level as Samsung don't have a mid-level plasma for 2013.
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Not exactly, but I can compare the c8000 with the st60. On Friday, I was watching a movie on HBO, Basic Instinct 2, when the BB delivery guys came with my new st60. It only took them 15 minutes or so to remove the old Samsung and plug in the new Panny. The same movie was still on, but I was shocked at how blurry the picture was, now. Yes, I say shocked! I thought I must have a defective st60.

But then I looked at some other TV channels, and some of them looked much better. The Science Channel looked fine. On the Cooking Channel, the food was sharp, but the kitchen behind it was blurry. So then I realized what was going on.

I had the EXACT same experience/reaction. I actually posted about it when I first got my 60" ST60 set (about a month ago) and nobody seemed to have the same issue/experience that I had. I also went from a C8000 to an ST60. The picture quality on HD cable channels with the C8000 was always rock solid. Ridiculously good looking. The ST60 is another story. Some programming looks great, but the majority (I'd say about 60%) of the programming is not very sharp (borderline blurry), sometimes "out of focus", and overall disappointing. After a month of using the set, I am now used to it. But, still believe the Samsung TVs have better processing when it comes to cable content. This was also confirmed by other people I have talked to ober the last month. The Samsung TVs can "polish" the source quality a lot better than Panasonic. Still, the black levels, color, contrast, and PQ (on "good" sources, like blu-ray, vudu), the Panasonic is on a completely different level, compared to my old Samsung.

I am excited to read some "pro" reviews of the F5500. I think the TV "looks" good, and should be a viable option for a lot of people. The value proposition and features of the F5500 are great.... And having never even seen the F5500 with an HD cable feed, I can still confidently say that it will handle HD cable TV better than the ST60 (don't see how it could be much worse). Just thought others should know one "con" of the ST60. Still has not made me regret my purchase though, whatsoever. The ST60 is a great TV, with (given the right source) great picture quality.
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I am excited to read some "pro" reviews of the F5500. I think the TV "looks" good, and should be a viable option for a lot of people. The value proposition and features of the F5500 are great.... And having never even seen the F5500 with an HD cable feed, I can still confidently say that it will handle HD cable TV better than the ST60 (don't see how it could be much worse). Just thought others should know one "con" of the ST60. Still has not made me regret my purchase though, whatsoever. The ST60 is a great TV, with (given the right source) great picture quality.

Yeah the only reason I'm looking forward to pro reviews is because there isn't that inherent bias that comes with reviewing a product you actually *own* and spent your hard earned dollars for. Not saying any owner of the F5500 is wrong in their assessment but I do question how objectionable they can be or at the very least, how a comparison can be done for those actually comparing when only one set is present for review.

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The ST60 has deeper blacks virtually the same as the VT60, the F5500 has a pentile RGBG slab, the slab ST60 to RGB ...
Clearly, the ST60 does not play in the same runs as the F5500 ... wink.gif
I keep reading about everyone bashing a pentile matrix, but none seem to know why they hate it, nor can they give conclusive data as to why it's inferior to a RGB matrix when viewing from more than 6 inches away from the display....
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