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Chad, I'd be very interested to hear about:

(1) Direct comparison of VT60 to F8500
(2) Your assessment of the purity of white levels
(3) Comparison/comments of overall screen brightness for use in rooms of average brightness
(4) Comments/comparisons of the VT60 built-in speakers to F8500 and other reference sets

Thank you so much. I think we all appreciate your efforts in helping us make informed decisions!

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What a shame! In the world of plasmas, there are really only two significant competitors, the F8500 and the VT60 (I'm not counting the ZT because of limited production and lack of availability). It would be like a review of a BMW without mention of the competing M-B or Audi. mad.gif

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Well, VT compared to f8500 is fine .But ZT needs to b there no matter the price jump.As it's last of "So called of it's kind" Till the xxxxx $$$$$ goes down on the Oled...Somethin to factor in price ur about to pull trigger on till OLed come down in price imo..So Shootout will help all cross the board... smile.gif
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What a shame! In the world of plasmas, there are really only two significant competitors, the F8500 and the VT60 (I'm not counting the ZT because of limited production and lack of availability). It would be like a review of a BMW without mention of the competing M-B or Audi. mad.gif

I think you are discounting the ST60
based on last years performances(ST50 vs VT50).....will the VT60 really be worth even close to the $1000 more asking price over the ST60?

...and in comparing last years ST50 vs VT50...I am giving the VT50 some credit for a smaller bezel and a THX mode

two attributes that may not be very high on others preference list



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I think you are discounting the ST60
based on last years performances(ST50 vs VT50).....will the VT60 really be worth even close to the $1000 more asking price over the ST60?

...and in comparing last years ST50 vs VT50...I am giving the VT50 some credit for a smaller bezel and a THX mode

two attributes that may not be very high on others preference list



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It is logical to assume the gap has closed with the added picture controls on the ST and partial CMS. That imo is what really kept the ST from competing with the VT last year. It will be interesting to see how it comes out.

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What a shame! In the world of plasmas, there are really only two significant competitors, the F8500 and the VT60 (I'm not counting the ZT because of limited production and lack of availability). It would be like a review of a BMW without mention of the competing M-B or Audi. mad.gif

The Direct comparison will not be done, I am sure Chad will give us his thoughts on what he remembers of the F8500. Either way the shootout is in ~2 weeks where everyone will get a direct comparison.
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I saw some questions where asked, here is the answer: Chad's wife has our review TC-P60VT60 at this minute, as noted. Chad is on a calibration tour during the break in time, he will be home to his new girl ( VT60 ) soon enough. With this said, I do not have a VT60 in front of me. I am on a working vacation wink.gif ( Yes, I new this would happen, no such thing as a vacation now-a-days. )

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I think you are discounting the ST60
based on last years performances(ST50 vs VT50).....will the VT60 really be worth even close to the $1000 more asking price over the ST60?

I would very much be grateful if the above could be discussed in Chad's review as well. When it comes to plain old 2D picture quality (no apps, dual processor, 3D, audio, etc) is the VT60 REALLY worth the extra $1K, in your opinion?
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i'd also like to hear what the difference in 2d picture is between st and vt. i've been hearing the st has some really bad lag, and now i'm trying to convince myself the vt is the smarter buy. i do want to use it for gaming, i'm not hardcore or anything, but i definitely don't need any more disadvantages. i already get my but handed to me when i try to play online.

and of course i'd love to hear a comparison to the f8500. specifically regarding blacks and shadow detail. i've finally found a store that installed the f8500 in their light controlled room, so i should be able to get some first hand looks next week, but it's still not always possible to see everything using stock settings.

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If you aren't going to play games on it then the ST60 is a fantastic TV. My only recommendation when it comes to the display lag would be set your AVR's audio delay to about 70 to 80 ms.Then at that point, it doesn't even matter because the picture quality is really good.
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I saw some questions where asked, here is the answer: Chad's wife has our review TC-P60VT60 at this minute, as noted. Chad is on a calibration tour during the break in time, he will be home to his new girl ( VT60 ) soon enough. With this said, I do not have a VT60 in front of me. I am on a working vacation wink.gif ( Yes, I new this would happen, no such thing as a vacation now-a-days. )

Yeah I have Chad coming here on the 9th to Jersey to calibrate my LHX, can't wait! biggrin.gif I am keeping an eye on all the reviews and the shootout to determine what my 2nd set will be down the road.
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Hi fellas is there any advice or settings you think would be good for in store testing?

Maybe you could help this thread out that I started...http://www.avsforum.com/t/1470244/plasma-shopping-settings-advice-thread-while-in-store
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Is it worth it to upgrade from a VT50 to a VT60? Has anyone here done that yet?

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Review teaser...

In a big change from my past reviews, I'm going to have more in depth coverage of the apps, smart features, and ergonomics from my wife's point of view (she's more into those things than I am), as well as audio quality. I'm also planning to spend a lot of time watching hockey and

I'm planning to publish info on how the measurements change with different wondow styles and sizes, including APL, full screen, etc.

Good news is I'll have a face off, bad news is it won't be against the F8500. My personal GT50 is going to have to do. We know in advance who's going to win, but there should be much of interest in the details.

Let me know any reasonable special requests.

I would like to know how it compares to the VT50.

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Are stores like Sears going to carry these or is this going to be something a specialty retailer will carry?
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I can help you smile.gif I ran slides on mine for a bit via a USB stick. Mine was formatted in FAT. To get to the content on the TV use the regular remote. In the bottom right hand corner of the remote there is a button labeled "SD/USB." Press that and viola.

Let us know what you think of the VT60 once you have a chance to play your media. Also, its pretty sweet your local BB lets you get down and dirty with the TVs. I have to pull teeth at mine just to get a remote.
What format were your movies in?
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I pulled the trigger on the VT60 today. I was going in to buy the F8000 (46inch) but the damn thing was juddering like crazy in the store. Granted that would get cleaned up with a better connection at home but Jesus. I was blown away. I've always had Samsung LCD panels and couldn't believe how bad the lag was on the 240hz f8000.

I checked out the VT60 and thought it looked amazing. I should be receiving the set this Thursday from Best Buy.

Being my first Plasma is there anything I should look out for or be aware of?

I went with the 55 inch and I'm sitting an average of 6ft away, Will I be too close?? I'm currently rocking a 42inch LCD and Its hard to imagine it won't be too big (my gf keeps saying it will be) but being America I have that bigger is better mentality. Any thoughts if the viewing distance is too close for the 55VT60?
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Nope, that's almost perfect for 55" viewing (THX recommends 6.1').
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Oh I'm in Parker, CO right at 5700 feet. That's no issue for the new Plasma's right?
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Vinnie,

Thanks for the reply. That's sweet. Thanks!
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I upgraded from a 50G10 today to a 60VT60. Best Buy had ONE in stock. Got a 2 year protection plan (for any potential IR issues mainly). Was surprised that the giganto box actually fit into my hatchback.

First thing I put in was Wings Of Life. Wow. Just wow.

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I read somewhere the Panasonic plasmas were good up to 9100 feet. So if im at 6000 (rounding up) I should have no issues with buzzing, resolution etc correct? Having never owned a plasma I don't know.
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65vt50 i sit 10 feet .but from what i read i should move forward to 6 feet .5 for 1080i or p content any thoughts?

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65vt50 i sit 10 feet .but from what i read i should move forward to 6 feet .5 for 1080i or p content any thoughts?

I always thought that with 65" you should be at least 10ft back.
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Review teaser...

In a big change from my past reviews, I'm going to have more in depth coverage of the apps, smart features, and ergonomics from my wife's point of view (she's more into those things than I am), as well as audio quality. I'm also planning to spend a lot of time watching hockey and other sports.

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Good news is I'll have a face off, bad news is it won't be against the F8500. My personal GT50 is going to have to do. We know in advance who's going to win, but there should be much of interest in the details.

Let me know any reasonable special requests.

I'd like to know about motion handling differences, if any, as well as observations about contouring, posterization, banding and dithering with different sources. Also, if you have Collateral on blu-ray can you check out the train/subway scene near the end, when they're in the dark? I'd like to know if it looks the same on both sets. TIA

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I do not know whether I'm the only one who misses the GT60 but I could positively wring the neck of someone at Panasonic for eliminating that model from the US 2013 lineup of Panny plasmas. That said, is it a foregone conclusion that the st60 beats the GT50 and the VT50 in 2d and 3d pq? Even David Katzmaier who seems to love the st60 to death, does not rate its 3d performance that high...Not that 3d is terribly important--I only watch a rather small number of 3d titles per year, as opposed to 2d... Still: if I'm going to have to pony up the dough for a solid plasma like any of these new panasonics, then it has got to have relatively flawless 3d... My wishlist for Chad would be a comparison of 2d/3d pq performance the st60, not only to the VT60, but also to the Vt50 and Gt50... That would make my day... Thanks in advance...

Oh, and the idea of wringing someone's neck at panasonic for eliminating the GT60 from the 2013 US lineup was only a joke, although I'm still kind of p**sed at them for doing that.
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VT60 Vs. F8500

First off I'd like to offer a huge shout-out to the fine guys over at the BB Magnolia next to Roosevelt Field on Long Island. They had these two sets side by side on stands making a direct A/B comparison possible. They were able to synch up The Avengers on DVD so that both sets were playing this with only a 1" -2" second difference between what the two sets were displaying. Actually, that 1" -2" second difference was quite helpful in allowing an assessment of what was playing on one before looking at the other.

First off, the F8500 had somewhat more pure whites than the VT60. That said, neither had anything like the eye searing whites and "pop" of the LED/LCD sets on the adjacent wall so if that is what you're after you're going to need to pass on both of these sets and opt, instead, for an LED/LCD. So the F8500 had more initial visual impact. My wife commented on this initially. After watching for a minute or two the strengths of the VT60 began to emerge. In fact, the longer you watched, the more apparent it was that the VT60 won convincingly in a number of categories. These included coror saturation and "depth" (hard to describe this but the closest I can come is that the VT had more of a 3D effect even while displaying 2D material). It also simply blew away the F8500 in resolution of detail in dark scenes. Skin tones where more accurate on the VT and blacks definitely appeared 'blacker.' Neither set was using "torch mode" (i.e. (Vivid/Dynamic), so any artificial exaggerations that might have been introduced by these were not a factor. Needless to say, neither were professionally calibrated so we were looking at out-of-the-box settings. I was rather surprised to find that red resolution was about a draw with both sets doing a superb jod here. In view of the much ballyhooed new phosphor that Panny is using I had rather expected that this would be one area in which the VT would bury the F8500. This was not the case. Surprisingly it was in the blues that the VT excelled and completely dominated the F8500. Who whoudda figured?

Anyway, I'm happy to report that my seemingly endless obsession deciding between these two sets has now come to a close and I'm going with the VT. A couple of other factors entered into my ultimate decision. These were that I adore the stand that the VT uses and detest the overly wide stand of the F8500; the VT provides two remotes for their set -- one of which is the cute little touch pad thing, the other of which is a more traditional remote that will allow far easier access to the unit's many feature far more easily...the F8500 only offers the (admittedly very sleek and sexy) touch pad remote; the sound system of the VT is almost certain to beat the built-in speakers of the F8500...having owned the F8500 for about a week I can say that the built-in speakers of that unit were, at best, mediocre; finally I am a bit concerned over quality control issues with Samsung and I believe that over the long haul, the VT will prove to be more reliable -- I know that even the finest product can occassionally produce a lemon but I want to keep the odds on my side.

So if you are a casual shopper (thankfully, not many of us here fall into that category) be careful and spend some quality time with both sets before you decide which way to go. First impressions can be deceiving!

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