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Get the 60S60 for $900.

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I don't think anyone can answer that for you are you planning on getting the set professionally calibrated? If so the VT60 has some advantages there. Better blacks, motion handling, superior color reproduction and more steps of gradation are advantages also. Do you need an A/R filter ? I am guessing no since you purchased the S60. There are advantages to the VT series but not everyone considers them to be important. You mentioned you don't care about 3d but having it is a nice extra imo.

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I just recently purchased this set and I am really enjoying it luckily none of the nuances others have reported are evident in my set. I have read through this thread in the past three days and have a couple of questions.

1. Does this TV have a blue only setting like some Samsung TVs?
2. After using the copy settings feature to copy from ISF 1 to cinema the copy is not exact when switching between the two I can see a brightness or gamma difference is this normal?
3. When setting up my bluray player do I use deep color 4:2:2 or 4:4:4? I know this has been discussed here before and I read a little on it but this topic was never really followed up or I missed it.
Difference between pro and cinema is because the later has a few things locked that you don't see in the menu - you will see that with all the modes ex pro when you use the exact same settings across all of them (game may be an exception). As for your blu-ray player turn off deep color and use 4:4:4 - player settings were done when I had the display calibrated. I can be more specific regarding blu-ray settings if you like when I get home for both panel/player - I use an Oppo 103 with my VT.

Difference between pro and cinema is because the later has a few things locked/adjusted/unavailable that you don't always see in the menu - you will see that with all the modes ex pro when you use the exact same settings across all of them (game may be an exception). As for your blu-ray player turn off deep color and use 4:4:4 - my blu-ray player settings were adjusted when my VT was calibrated - not that the calibration makes a difference for something like deep color, etc. I can be more specific regarding blu-ray settings if you like when I get home for both panel/player - I use an Oppo 103 with my VT.
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Just a random question for the thread.

I own the 50S64 got it from Costco with a 5 year warranty all around 7xx$. Now Sam's has the 65S64 (low stock online only) for 12xx$(idk what rules on listing price is in this thread). I'm sure I can get them to match Costco warranty and shipping.

My question is do I get a lager version of my TV for a great price. 65" might be too big for my room though...so in turn I would prolly get a 60" S60 for 9xx$ from Amazon. Or grab the 55" VT60 (knowing new 2014 models coming next year) from Amazon for about a grand more? Is it worth it (not size wise) to get a VT60 over the s60/64 or are we talking slight improvements such as blacks colors etc..over the lower end models for 1K more?

Common sense would tell you grab the 65" do to value and very good PQ..but as far as performance I know the VT is superior but is it 1K better?
The # 1 reason for buyer remorse is screen size. Get the 65".
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Okay that makes sense I just copied the settings then went back and forth and had seen the visual difference and disregarded the locked settings. I was able to score a Spears & Munsil Blu-ray from my coworker they have some test to select the 4:2:2 vs. 4:4:4. My TV will be properly calibrated in October but for now I'm just trying to get it pleasing to the eye and as correct as one can without the proper tools. I did notice when setting the bluray player to 4:4:4 the pure direct mode is selectable also with 4:4:4 it seems as if the black bars on widescreen movies are darker. This may be placebo however as I do not have any tools to measure this.
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Just a random question for the thread.

I own the 50S64 got it from Costco with a 5 year warranty all around 7xx$. Now Sam's has the 65S64 (low stock online only) for 12xx$(idk what rules on listing price is in this thread). I'm sure I can get them to match Costco warranty and shipping.

My question is do I get a lager version of my TV for a great price. 65" might be too big for my room though...so in turn I would prolly get a 60" S60 for 9xx$ from Amazon. Or grab the 55" VT60 (knowing new 2014 models coming next year) from Amazon for about a grand more? Is it worth it (not size wise) to get a VT60 over the s60/64 or are we talking slight improvements such as blacks colors etc..over the lower end models for 1K more?

Common sense would tell you grab the 65" do to value and very good PQ..but as far as performance I know the VT is superior but is it 1K better?

I think the VT would be worth $1000 more, but that's just me. For others who are not as serious and not getting pro cal'd, it may not be. If you wait until Nov/Dec you will find some very good deals too.


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The # 1 reason for buyer remorse is screen size. Get the 65".
Completely understandable but In a 12x13 room I don't think a 65" would be sufficient just do to lack of distance and that dimension is not that big. I was originally going to grab the 65" and put it downstairs but since living home now do to school the parents don't want me taking over their downstairs (I know I'm a loser since I live home I know please save the bashing).

So I think my best bet unless the 65" is okay for that type of dimension would be 60S60 vs 55VT60? I really enjoy the 64...but at the same time I feel it lacks something I want a little more of and that's black level. I'm unfortunately and I only say unfortunately because the tech was/is so great..spoiled by a pioneer black level as a lot in here once were or still are.

Does anyone have Apple TV 3rd generation with 1080 output and feel the PQ transferred via HDMI is a little soft compared to say a Blu-ray Disc?? I feel like its a little soft...still looks great but when i watched for example Rambo (awesome btw, the newest one well old now) I felt the blacks were much better/deeper via PS3 and Blu-ray Disc. Is this because the Apple TV is streaming material even though connected with hdmi compared to direct connection and source? I was told by apple it should look how 1080p from any source should look but I always take that with grains of salt since they are representing a company!
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I think the VT would be worth $1000 more, but that's just me. For others who are not as serious and not getting pro cal'd, it may not be. If you wait until Nov/Dec you will find some very good deals too.
I was hoping hoping Columbus Day would have some nice deals! Not going to be as good as end of year deals but still a few hundred off would be ideal.
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You should really start a new thread since youre debating 3 different models. This is the VT thread.

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Okay that makes sense I just copied the settings then went back and forth and had seen the visual difference and disregarded the locked settings. I was able to score a Spears & Munsil Blu-ray from my coworker they have some test to select the 4:2:2 vs. 4:4:4. My TV will be properly calibrated in October but for now I'm just trying to get it pleasing to the eye and as correct as one can without the proper tools. I did notice when setting the bluray player to 4:4:4 the pure direct mode is selectable also with 4:4:4 it seems as if the black bars on widescreen movies are darker. This may be placebo however as I do not have any tools to measure this.

Not sure if the blacks are different, but 4:4:4 and pure direct is recommended.


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You should really start a new thread since youre debating 3 different models. This is the VT thread.

I honestly wish I knew how to do that. Sorry got a bit off topic but everyone was being so helpful with my questions unlike some other threads. But I will discontinue the topic now. Seems the answer is basically get the bigger set because some of the features exhibited from s60 to vt60 don't seem big enough for a 1K difference.

Regardless of TV I am curious if anyone uses Apple TV on their vt60 and feels it lacks PQ quality compared to blu ray
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Does anyone have Apple TV 3rd generation with 1080 output and feel the PQ transferred via HDMI is a little soft compared to say a Blu-ray Disc?? I feel like its a little soft...still looks great but when i watched for example Rambo (awesome btw, the newest one well old now) I felt the blacks were much better/deeper via PS3 and Blu-ray Disc. Is this because the Apple TV is streaming material even though connected with hdmi compared to direct connection and source? I was told by apple it should look how 1080p from any source should look but I always take that with grains of salt since they are representing a company!

Yes, Apple TV is not as sharp as blu-ray, the stream is condensed somewhat.
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hey how long can IR last when do you kno its burt
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(I know I'm a loser since I live home I know please save the bashing).

I truly hope that comment was in jest, and not serious....

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Just got the 65vt60 at Bestbuy. I'll be reading thread later today for information on settings. Can't wait to hook-up

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Just got the 65vt60 at Bestbuy. I'll be reading thread later today for information on settings. Can't wait to hook-up

My advice to you is to not read the thread and enjoy your set. Be sure to put some hours - 100 or so before getting too wild and crazy with leaving logos on for long periods of time - like NFL Network. 300 hours before calibrating. Stop reading and start watching, your going to enjoy your purchase.

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Completely understandable but In a 12x13 room I don't think a 65" would be sufficient just do to lack of distance and that dimension is not that big.
I watch a 80" from 10FT and love it, so your room in my eyes is not to small.
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If you can wait until Jan 2014 you will probably be able to get a VT60 for ~$1500. ZTs will probably be around $2200. These are 60" estimates.
Pretty sweet prices if your guess is accurate. I agree with the other posters that the ZT will likely not be carried over into 2014.
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I've been following the end of year pricing on the 65" VT since the "20" series (2010). It's typically around $2400 every year at the end.


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HOW DO I AUDITION THE CNET SETTINGS WITHOUT PERMANENTLY CHANGING THE PRESET SETTINGS?

So I'm pretty happy with THX Cinema on my 65VT60, but want to check out the CNET settings as a comparison.

I see that the 'canned' preset settings are Vivid, Standard, Home Theater, THX (Cinema and Bight Room), Cinema, Custom, and Professional 1/2. I've had the set on THX Cinema since initial setup almost two months ago, and haven't really navigated through or fooled around with any of the other settings, so I'm not too familiar with the landscape.

Stupid question, but which of these do I use to enter and audition the CNET settings, and how? I don't really want to alter any of the preset settings, so assume I'd use either Custom or perhaps Professional 1/2? Not sure what's in those settings now, but perhaps Custom is specifically included here for such user defined settings?

Would appreciate a little detail on how to get into the correct modifiable area?

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I've been following the end of year pricing on the 65" VT since the "20" series (2010). It's typically around $2400 every year at the end.
FWIW This is the first (and possibly only) year of the ZT. If they come down hard on the ZT to get rid of them it will probably trickle down to the VT. If they make the ZT nearly the same price as the VT everyone will buy the ZT.
Purely speculation on my part.

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I'm guessing the VT60 will be around for a while?! I feel like last year the production stopped quickly on the 50 series. Hopefully they don't sell like hot cakes
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I just recently purchased this set and I am really enjoying it luckily none of the nuances others have reported are evident in my set. I have read through this thread in the past three days and have a couple of questions.

1. Does this TV have a blue only setting like some Samsung TVs?
2. After using the copy settings feature to copy from ISF 1 to cinema the copy is not exact when switching between the two I can see a brightness or gamma difference is this normal?
3. When setting up my bluray player do I use deep color 4:2:2 or 4:4:4? I know this has been discussed here before and I read a little on it but this topic was never really followed up or I missed it.

1. No
2. Yes that probably would be the case, the only two modes that would be same are ISF 1 and 2. Lets say you calibrate ISF 1 you probably will set contrast around 64, now you calibrate Custom mode you probably will set contrast around 85. In both modes you will end up with a reading for your light output around 33/35 FtL and of-course that's saying all of the pre calibration settings are set the same.
3. Blu Ray disc's are 4:2:0 and is 10 bit, 4:4:4 is 8 bit, 4:2:2 is 12 bit.
If you are using out of the box settings or copied settings then imo 4:4:4 (8 bit) would probably be the most forgiving but not by much, if you have a very well calibrated VT60 then 4:2:2 (12 bit) because it has more color depth and imo better for Bly Ray disc. Also when using 4:2:2 and viewing Blu Ray I would advise using source direct and no enhancements.

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Looking for a new TV and the VT60 seems great. I've never owned a plasma and I'm worried about IR. We watch cable tv ~80% of the time and would think all the channel logos are bad for plasmas. Would watching the History channel for say 3 hours be bad for this TV because of the logo? Has anybody had luck not getting IR, watching/doing what ever they wanted since day one?
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Looking for a new TV and the VT60 seems great. I've never owned a plasma and I'm worried about IR. We watch cable tv ~80% of the time and would think all the channel logos are bad for plasmas. Would watching the History channel for say 3 hours be bad for this TV because of the logo? Has anybody had luck not getting IR, watching/doing what ever they wanted since day one?
I have the 65VT60 and long ago owned two other plasmas. I probably watch as much cable TV as you, including all day NFL and NHL games with their screen logos, but I don't do any video gaming. I have never had any IR issues with any plasma. Prior to this Panny, I've had DLP, LCD, and LED/LCD TVs, and the VT60 is the best TV I've ever seen, and all my friends are blown away when they see it. Buy it, adjust the picture to your taste, then relax and enjoy.

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Does anyone have any knowledge on Costco policy. I know its 90 days but seems almost to good tone true...I did call they stated I would get my full refund as long as it's within the 90 days. I feel like I'm missing something. I just want to hold onto the s60 for now as wait for some deals in the VT60 but I'm a little skeptical about 90 days cause that's just awesome.
Wasn't to sure which thread to ask this so I apologize if this is not the right one but you guys have a lot of experience.
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Read through this thread and you will see that for every person who doesn't get IR you will find one who does. I also think the degree to which people see it varies because in most cases you need to really be looking for it to see it.

Over the last several years, between me and my father, we've had 6 VT plasmas. No gaming, aged using slides (which may or may not actually be useful), very careful with screen content the first 100 hours, and calibrated .

They all have IR to some degree.
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Looking for a new TV and the VT60 seems great. I've never owned a plasma and I'm worried about IR. We watch cable tv ~80% of the time and would think all the channel logos are bad for plasmas. Would watching the History channel for say 3 hours be bad for this TV because of the logo? Has anybody had luck not getting IR, watching/doing what ever they wanted since day one?
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