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For what VE gives seems like the best deal for me...others are around the same price but don't give Anything with it. What would you guys say is the best place to buy from? I see a lot of Pauls TV talk in here. Trying to see what they will do.

That depends on what is important to you. Chris (Cleveland) has a lot of satisfied customers and close relationship with Chad B. - good team. Amazon will price match and they are easy to work with if you have issues, plus 30 day price protection. I didn't buy a display from VE, but I did buy another piece of A/V equipment from them a few years ago and I was very satisfied. Two top calibrators wouldn't be associated with them if they were not a good shop. Best Buy or some other brick in mortar in your area offers price matching and easy returns, plus you can get it quickly. Paul's TV seems like a popular option for those who have one in their area. I don't know if I would buy one from them and have it shipped a great distance. Personally I want to be able to easily return the set if I detect a problem and I have saved thousands on the equipment I've bought by either haggling or price matching Best Buy/Amazon during the match periods. I refuse to pay retail unless you are buying from someone like Oppo or Sonos.

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For what VE gives seems like the best deal for me...others are around the same price but don't give Anything with it. What would you guys say is the best place to buy from? I see a lot of Pauls TV talk in here. Trying to see what they will do.

Just ordered from Paul's a couple days ago since their price was too good to pass up. Keeping my fingers cross that I get a great panel. It should be here Tuesday.
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I'm a frequent Amazon customer, Prime and all that, and I bought from them. Actually bought an ST60 first, returned it for a VT60, the price dropped $99, got that credit, and a 2% credit on the TV. I hear Cleveland, Paul's, and several others do a great job and have somewhat lower prices, but Amazon could move faster, I'm extremely happy with all their policies, know them, so I went there. No regrets. Granted, I'm a Costco/Amazon/AMEX Fanboy, because I appreciate excellent service. I've got Amazon return stories that I would not believe if they weren't my own.

I will admit to buying some speakers and stuff from Best Buy because they actually beat Amazon's and everyone else's price on that particular day, but buying the Panasonic there and having them calibrate it was, as my Quaker in-laws would say, was "not a notion that would have occurred to me". They may well have good calibrators, but with people like Chad around, why would I shoot crap? I reiterate, I don't think they get better than Chad (with all due respect to MichaelTLV, Gregg Loewen, etc.)

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Replying to myself: I did not know Chad was associated with Cleveland Plasma, and had I known that, or lived nearer to Ohio, that probably would have swayed my purchasing decision. Things were moving quickly, and although Chris's reply was timely and professional, I had already ordered before I found out more about them. I like to patronize shops with their integrity and reputation, and will not hesitate to do so when I get that OLED or 4K set or whatever's next. If Chad deals with them they are bound to be okay.

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I'm a frequent Amazon customer, Prime and all that, and I bought from them. Actually bought an ST60 first, returned it for a VT60, the price dropped $99, got that credit, and a 2% credit on the TV. I hear Cleveland, Paul's, and several others do a great job and have somewhat lower prices, but Amazon could move faster, I'm extremely happy with all their policies, know them, so I went there. No regrets. Granted, I'm a Costco/Amazon/AMEX Fanboy, because I appreciate excellent service. I've got Amazon return stories that I would not believe if they weren't my own.

I will admit to buying some speakers and stuff from Best Buy because they actually beat Amazon's and everyone else's price on that particular day, but buying the Panasonic there and having them calibrate it was, as my Quaker in-laws would say, was "not a notion that would have occurred to me". They may well have good calibrators, but with people like Chad around, why would I shoot crap? I reiterate, I don't think they get better than Chad (with all due respect to MichaelTLV, Gregg Loewen, etc.)

So for you was it worth the extra bucks to upgrade to the VT? I'm curious of your opinions about blacks, whites, color, ect.
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I will admit to buying some speakers and stuff from Best Buy because they actually beat Amazon's and everyone else's price on that particular day, but buying the Panasonic there and having them calibrate it was, as my Quaker in-laws would say, was "not a notion that would have occurred to me".

Who buys a tv from BB because of their free calibration offer? I don't understand the Quaker quote or it's inference - maybe you can explain that one. Those of us who bought our VT/ZT from them who frequent this forum, its either DIY on the calibration or hire a pro, in my case it was DNice. smile.gif

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So for you was it worth the extra bucks to upgrade to the VT? I'm curious of your opinions about blacks, whites, color, ect.
For me, it definitely was, not so much for PQ as additional ISF functions and a few extra features. I'm interested in expanding my calibration abilities (although having seen Chad work, I'm not sure I want to compete professionally anytime soon ...), and I wanted to be able to play with the AutoCal features of CalMan 5 Control. IIRC, that was not available on the ST. As far as PQ, it's hard to say, because I never saw the ST calibrated, but I can say that picture looked as good OOB as the VT did OOB.

So I'd say that the ST is a fine set (actually, I tried the S64 (sp?) from Costco first, and it was a fine set too, just with two-point calibration), and unless you have an interest in ISF stuff, it or the ST should suffice. It was worth some money to me to be sure I would not ask myself if I should have gotten the VT (that's just me, and the ZT looks like stupid money to me). I'd add that the camera on the VT is basically a parlor trick, and would not sway my decision at all. That whole line seems like the best thing since Kuro. As far as B/W, color, PQ, etc., this set is about as close to perfect as they get, based on my review of DVE, WOW, Spears and Munsil, and CalMan 5 with an i1 Display Pro meter (as well as watching some actual TV, which I'm finally getting around to doing ...), as long as you have reasonable light control (as with any plasma). The assumption is that the ZT gets a blacker black, but I get a black that matches the bezel, so it's like MichaelTLV says, you can only get a blacker black by turning the set off, but you lose detail and contrast (g).
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Who buys a tv from BB because of their free calibration offer? I don't understand the Quaker quote or it's inference - maybe you can explain that one. Those of us who bought our VT/ZT from them who frequent this forum, its either DIY on the calibration or hire a pro, in my case it was DNice. smile.gif
Quakers tend to be soft-spoken, so if you propose something that is totally insane, contrary to common sense, fear of the Lord, or concern for the magistrate, they'll say "That is not a notion that would have occurred to me". Not that buying from BB is any of those, it was just not my choice.

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The assumption is that the ZT gets a blacker black, but I get a black that matches the bezel, so it's like MichaelTLV says, you can only get a blacker black by turning the set off, but you lose detail and contrast (g).
This was the hope before release (ZT with improved blacks), but actual measurements did reveal them to be equitable in black level. It should be noted that neither the VT, ZT, nor the Kuro will have bezel-matching blacks with lower contrast content (i.e. space scenes).
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How can I get amazon to Price Match? Better off just calling their TV department?

Seems like best deals all all around 50-100$ within each other. I'm waiting to hear back from VE to see what return policy is. I do not want to pay restock fee. But that QC is nice and they offer a credit card which I only need to use temporarily for purchase. I hate buying stuff with credit but need to for now. If it was a 3-400$ difference between where to purchase I wouldn't consider VE but since it is not for now they seem to be my best option for purchas and gives me some assurance that the best is doing the QC
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Chad B spent about 12 hours doing a full ISF calibration as well as a Audyssey Pro audio cal.
Thanks for posting your calibration comments. I've added a link to your post in the flat panel (post number two) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

If you have further comments to make about your audio or video calibration, it would be great if you could use the edit command to add them to your original post. Enjoy. smile.gif
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Am a proud owner of a perfect 50GT50 panel for my bedroom.
Now I want to get a 60VT60 for the living room. Read a review of the VT60/ZT60 and it mentioned advertisements come up every time it is turned on.
Is this the case for the VT60?
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Am a proud owner of a perfect 50GT50 panel for my bedroom.
Now I want to get a 60VT60 for the living room. Read a review of the VT60/ZT60 and it mentioned advertisements come up every time it is turned on.
Is this the case for the VT60?

You can turn off the ads banner off in the settings on both the VT & ZT
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Am a proud owner of a perfect 50GT50 panel for my bedroom.
Now I want to get a 60VT60 for the living room. Read a review of the VT60/ZT60 and it mentioned advertisements come up every time it is turned on.
Is this the case for the VT60?
It sounds like the person who wrote the review that you read is a beginner. The advertisements can be turned off in the set's setup menus. rolleyes.gif
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I'm planning on purchasing the VT60 from Value Electronics and they will do a q/c on the panel before it gets delivered for a very minor fee. Which from what I've been reading in the last few days seems well needed. A lot of this IR (knowing fully that all plasma gets IR but what you guys are talking makes
It seem aggressive than what I am use do in my experience with plasma TV owning)and blotch talk and starting to make me nervous and possibly not move to the VT60 and just grab a larger of my version since it's pretty resistant to IR. But as always it could be something that a small percent see and doesn't affect all Panels. Meh 👎

Id suggest once you get your TV and know its free of issues, stay off online forums. Sounds like you get pretty worried over a few people making claims online of issues....when there are thousands more enjoying their issue free set, and don't waste time posting about how good it is.

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when there are thousands more enjoying their issue free set, and don't waste time posting about how good it is.
You're always going to read about more bad than good.
No question about that, no matter what make, what model, what devise, if one reads AVS they would think all products are no good. You have to read between the lines.
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Id suggest once you get your TV and know its free of issues, stay off online forums. Sounds like you get pretty worried over a few people making claims online of issues....when there are thousands more enjoying their issue free set, and don't waste time posting about how good it is.

You're always going to read about more bad than good.

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I've been reading these threads for years ever since I got my Pioneer 5020 and they actually helped me purchase that TV from all the info I obtained. But the slightest thing wrong can be blown out of proportion at times...but as you said thousands of people enjoy these sets with no issues.

You are exactly right but I'm glad I read these threads or I prolly would have never bought plasma if it wasn't for here and would have listened to those BB guys and got LCD.
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I wonder if you folks have any idea about how to change this...

Every time we loose power here in the house, the TV turns on by itself once the power returns. Even if the outage lasts for only a second or two. Usually this is not a problem, since I am in the house often. But what if I happen NOT to be there and then the TV turns on and stays on? I have the "power off" settings on "off after 4 hours of inactivity". But, still, I am concerned about IR, burn-in, etc if I happen not to be there to catch it... Anybody have any ideas how to disable the "auto on" after a power outage? Thanks in advance.
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There's a big-ass sticker in the middle of the back of the TV. Cant miss it...

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I wonder if you folks have any idea about how to change this...

Every time we loose power here in the house, the TV turns on by itself once the power returns. Even if the outage lasts for only a second or two. Usually this is not a problem, since I am in the house often. But what if I happen NOT to be there and then the TV turns on and stays on? I have the "power off" settings on "off after 4 hours of inactivity". But, still, I am concerned about IR, burn-in, etc if I happen not to be there to catch it... Anybody have any ideas how to disable the "auto on" after a power outage? Thanks in advance.
I have all my HIFI equipment connected via an APC power conditioner, which has a power button that I toggle to off whenever the equipment is not in use or left unattended.
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I wonder if you folks have any idea about how to change this...

Every time we loose power here in the house, the TV turns on by itself once the power returns. Even if the outage lasts for only a second or two. Usually this is not a problem, since I am in the house often. But what if I happen NOT to be there and then the TV turns on and stays on? I have the "power off" settings on "off after 4 hours of inactivity". But, still, I am concerned about IR, burn-in, etc if I happen not to be there to catch it... Anybody have any ideas how to disable the "auto on" after a power outage? Thanks in advance.
Its not unusual to come back on if its a quick interruption. But I dont think it will come back on if the outage lasts for an extended period. Theres no reason to think that if the tv is off and the power goes out that the tv will turn on when power is restored.

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I wonder if you folks have any idea about how to change this...

Every time we loose power here in the house, the TV turns on by itself once the power returns. Even if the outage lasts for only a second or two. Usually this is not a problem, since I am in the house often. But what if I happen NOT to be there and then the TV turns on and stays on? I have the "power off" settings on "off after 4 hours of inactivity". But, still, I am concerned about IR, burn-in, etc if I happen not to be there to catch it... Anybody have any ideas how to disable the "auto on" after a power outage? Thanks in advance.

Do you have the link to your AVR connected and set to come on if the AVR comes on?
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I actually do not have an AVR anymore (I had been feeling a little jaded with the whole surround sound aspect of this hobby, and a recent terrible experience with Marantz' costumer service was the icing on the cake for me to say "to hell with 5.1"... I watch mostly mono movies anyway). The TV is connected (along with two Oppo players) to a PS Audio Duet conditioner. Cables are Nordost throughout.
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Hey guys, I am thinking about pulling the trigger on the VT60 calibration. I know it's about $450 so I want to make sure it'll make a huge difference. If I set the VT60 to THX Cinema, wouldn't be celebrated already? Totally new to this...
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I read a lot of suggestions for "calibrated" screen settings. But does anyone has a suggestion for a good audio setting (55VT60E). I'm a little struggling with it. So far I'm a little disappointed.

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I have been really happy with this VT60 over the last month, but I have been experiencing a weird issue. When watching a movie the other day I started to notice what looked to horizontal lines coming off the white text in the previews. I know its hard to make out in this image, but all I have access to right now is my phone. I wanted to get my set calibrated in the next month, but am currently wondering if there is something wrong with the panel. Would this be caused by one of the settings on the tv maybe?
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I have been really happy with this VT60 over the last month, but I have been experiencing a weird issue. When watching a movie the other day I started to notice what looked to horizontal lines coming off the white text in the previews. I know its hard to make out in this image, but all I have access to right now is my phone. I wanted to get my set calibrated in the next month, but am currently wondering if there is something wrong with the panel. Would this be caused by one of the settings on the tv maybe?
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I read a lot of suggestions for "calibrated" screen settings. But does anyone has a suggestion for a good audio setting (55VT60E). I'm a little struggling with it. So far I'm a little disappointed.

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Most of us run external home theater audio systems with 5 or more speakers and 1 or more subwoofers.
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I have been really happy with this VT60 over the last month, but I have been experiencing a weird issue. When watching a movie the other day I started to notice what looked to horizontal lines coming off the white text in the previews. I know its hard to make out in this image, but all I have access to right now is my phone. I wanted to get my set calibrated in the next month, but am currently wondering if there is something wrong with the panel. Would this be caused by one of the settings on the tv maybe?

It's called line bleed.

Although it's normal on these Panasonic plasmas, they really shouldn't be there.

Makes you wonder what else is being spread out that is affecting image quality.
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