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Old 10-17-2013, 12:00 PM
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Just got off the phone with John from Paul's and he gladly helped me with my purchase of a 60VT60. I did not purchase a warranty just yet but to my understanding this can be done within the first 30 days with Squaretrade. He did say he would call back if they could give me a better price on the 5 year warranty and even though the price won't be the same he did assure me I can still get one from them within 30days of my purchase.

So I know most have gone with STrade in here so I'm wondering how
You went about it..I am a Costco member btw. And I know they are on Amazon. After purchasing the warranty I have to take a picture of receipt and register the item??!! I know it's in here somewhere but wouldn't mind the help in the meantime

I purchased my 5 year sqtrade warranty off of Amazon so I am going off of that. After my order confirmation I got an email asking me to register on Squaretrade. I did and then waited for the TV to arrive. Once the TV arrived I logged in to my strade account and filled in the info of my tv (Model #, SN, etc...). Last step is to forward them a copy of your receipt. I forwarded my Amazon receipt and got a confirmation that I was all set, so make sure that Pauls emails you an electronic receipt which will make things easier for you with squaretrade. Otherwise you'll have to scan or fax the receipt in and who wants to deal with that?

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FWIW, the SpectraCal Rental Kit with the C6 is, according to their website, lab verified before and after sending out the equipment. I think what you say might be more applicable to those who may already own personal meters that may or may not be still correct. I've heard most calibration tools can drift over time and I could definitely see that being a problem. SpectraCal has an in house Minolta CS-2000 ($30K unit) they use as a reference to calibrate all their meters. I would have to ask if that is what they use to verify their kits are still valid or not, but I imagine so because I'm not sure how else you could.

I've had bad experiences with colorimeters that were "enhanced". First experience was with a C5e. It was advertised much like the C6 is, claiming that it was profiled off their CS-2000 for different display types.
It was so far off from the recently certified i1Pro I had at the time that I sent it back. They determined it was not defective, recertified it and sent it back, and it still disagreed by about 5 dE.
Then I got a C6 and the Jeti 1211 at the same time... I thought the C6 would be reasonably close, but no. Again about 5 dE worth of difference between them.
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Chad can you give us a little insight on the stock id3 and the jeti spectro. Although i know a spectro is better but how much better when it comes to a plasma.

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My apologies all if this has been discussed before. Several searches turned up no information. I just took delivery of a new TCP-55VT60. Have any of you noticed problems or issues when trying to control the aspect ratio with the format button on the remote. When I launch the Netflix or Youtube built in apps the format button ceases to function. Of course you end of with those dreaded black bars on the top, bottom or sides of the screen. My Roku scales the content fine with no issues. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Chad can you give us a little insight on the stock id3 and the jeti spectro. Although i know a spectro is better but how much better when it comes to a plasma.

Try the calibration thread....

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My apologies all if this has been discussed before. Several searches turned up no information. I just took delivery of a new TCP-55VT60. Have any of you noticed problems or issues when trying to control the aspect ratio with the format button on the remote. When I launch the Netflix or Youtube built in apps the format button ceases to function. Of course you end of with those dreaded black bars on the top, bottom or sides of the screen. My Roku scales the content fine with no issues. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

If my memory is correct, i don't think netflix AR can be changed.

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I purchased my 5 year sqtrade warranty off of Amazon so I am going off of that. After my order confirmation I got an email asking me to register on Squaretrade. I did and then waited for the TV to arrive. Once the TV arrived I logged in to my strade account and filled in the info of my tv (Model #, SN, etc...). Last step is to forward them a copy of your receipt. I forwarded my Amazon receipt and got a confirmation that I was all set, so make sure that Pauls emails you an electronic receipt which will make things easier for you with squaretrade. Otherwise you'll have to scan or fax the receipt in and who wants to deal with that?

It confuses me a little becasue the TV is originally over 2K BUT with Pauls it's under 2K so would you choose the warranty for the original price or sales price?
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My apologies all if this has been discussed before. Several searches turned up no information. I just took delivery of a new TCP-55VT60. Have any of you noticed problems or issues when trying to control the aspect ratio with the format button on the remote. When I launch the Netflix or Youtube built in apps the format button ceases to function. Of course you end of with those dreaded black bars on the top, bottom or sides of the screen. My Roku scales the content fine with no issues. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

I'd stick to the Roku for the first 100 since you know it scales properly. Me personally I'm not even touching any of the apps on the VT60 until well after the break in period since I don't know in what AR those apps content will be displayed.

The less you see those black bars in the first 100 the better biggrin.gif

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My apologies all if this has been discussed before. Several searches turned up no information. I just took delivery of a new TCP-55VT60. Have any of you noticed problems or issues when trying to control the aspect ratio with the format button on the remote. When I launch the Netflix or Youtube built in apps the format button ceases to function. Of course you end of with those dreaded black bars on the top, bottom or sides of the screen. My Roku scales the content fine with no issues. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Normal. Format does not work with the apps.

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It confuses me a little becasue the TV is originally over 2K BUT with Pauls it's under 2K so would you choose the warranty for the original price or sales price?
You choose coverage for the amount that you paid (minus tax and/or shipping), not the SRP.
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You choose coverage for the amount that you paid (minus tax and/or shipping), not the SRP.
+1 My understanding is you pay for the amount of coverage regardless of the cost of the item. If you want $10,000 worth of coverage on a $200 tv they will let you. But its gonna cost ya and it will only cover the $200 tv.

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I'd stick to the Roku for the first 100 since you know it scales properly. Me personally I'm not even touching any of the apps on the VT60 until well after the break in period since I don't know in what AR those apps content will be displayed.

The less you see those black bars in the first 100 the better biggrin.gif

I was thinking about this yesterday... Is the point of avoiding the black bar'ed content so that those pixels are "aged" as long as the others initially?

Why would it really matter because if you watch movies, over time those pixels are always going to be "younger" compared to the rest.
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I was thinking about this yesterday... Is the point of avoiding the black bar'ed content so that those pixels are "aged" as long as the others initially?

Why would it really matter because if you watch movies, over time those pixels are always going to be "younger" compared to the rest.
Yes. You dont want them to be younger. You want them to age evenly.

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Yes. You dont want them to be younger. You want them to age evenly.

But over time they will never be the same...
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But over time they will never be the same...
The aging process is much faster in the first 500 hours or so. Then it tends to slow down. They dont age at a constant rate from the first hour.

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I was thinking about this yesterday... Is the point of avoiding the black bar'ed content so that those pixels are "aged" as long as the others initially?

Why would it really matter because if you watch movies, over time those pixels are always going to be "younger" compared to the rest.

Bond already answered but just to add: During the first 100 hours or so of a Plasmas life the phosphors tend to "burn hotter" if you will which is why it is so important to age everything evenly during the initial break in period.

I know it's hard to just run slides or watch full screen content for the first 100 (I was in the middle of watching ST:TNG on Blu and had to stop) but if you spent this much on a tv then you might as well do it right.

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I was thinking about this yesterday... Is the point of avoiding the black bar'ed content so that those pixels are "aged" as long as the others initially?

Why would it really matter because if you watch movies, over time those pixels are always going to be "younger" compared to the rest.
Yes. You dont want them to be younger. You want them to age evenly.

Funny thing would be a pixel jogger that only excites the 2 bar areas and keeping the middle of the screen black biggrin.gif
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Okay, just picked up the TC-P60VT60 by price matching Paul's at amazon to get the 24 month financing. Is there a link or good post in here to basic stuff to know for when they deliver it and for the "break-in period". There's 187 pages in this thread and somebody has to know where the good information is. Thanks.

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Okay, just picked up the TC-P60VT60 by price matching Paul's at amazon to get the 24 month financing. Is there a link or good post in here to basic stuff to know for when they deliver it and for the "break-in period". There's 187 pages in this thread and somebody has to know where the good information is. Thanks.

I'm no expert, but I'll share my experience. My reading suggested that recent plasmas don't really need to be burned or broken in at all, but in the interest of "only get one chance at this", I followed the procedure suggested by D-Nice for 200 hours before calibration by ChadB. I had another TV working here at the time, so it was not an issue . Having said that, after break-in, I subsequently applied D-Nice's settings, and the subsequent ISF calibration, as I believe D-Nice hizownself says is likely, yielded substantially superior results. I am not sure if Evangelo's slides would have yielded any different results.

It seems like a prudent, although possibly unnecessary, exercise to illuminate a PDP with monocolor slides of varying hues and colors for the first 200 hours: it seems to me this would more gradually and completely "age" the phosphors. It cost me nothing, and I won't have to wonder in the future if I should have done it.

D-Nice's procedures are here, and Evangelo's slides are here. Information about plasma burn-/break-in/aging/whatever is here.

I will say that D-Nice's settings puzzled me a bit regarding setting some controls wide open during the initial session, but he has probably forgotten more than I know about PDP's, so I followed instructions without adverse effects. My intuition would have been to start at a low contrast and brightness, then gradually increase those settings while displaying a balanced selection of slides for say, 200-400 hours. It is not, however, as I said, like I am an expert.

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Could you tell me does vt60 in European Union have mosquito reduction parameter function and does colour banding (incorrect tones of colour) is visible? I want buy it now.

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It confuses me a little becasue the TV is originally over 2K BUT with Pauls it's under 2K so would you choose the warranty for the original price or sales price?
Use the invoice price, but go ahead and call the warranty company if it makes you more comfortable. smile.gif
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+1 My understanding is you pay for the amount of coverage regardless of the cost of the item. If you want $10,000 worth of coverage on a $200 tv they will let you. But its gonna cost ya and it will only cover the $200 tv.
So for a product that is 1800$ you should just get a 1900$ warranty?
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I missed something here, are you saying Paul's is selling the TC-P65VT60 for below $2K, but they are "gray market", i.e., not an authorized dealer? No looking to incite a riot here if my terminology is not correct, or any debate about warranties, so basically, does Paul's actually sell a 65VT60 for <$2K delivered without tax, or are we talking about another model?

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I'm no expert, but I'll share my experience. My reading suggested that recent plasmas don't really need to be burned or broken in at all, but in the interest of "only get one chance at this", I followed the procedure suggested by D-Nice for 200 hours before calibration by ChadB. I had another TV working here at the time, so it was not an issue . Having said that, after break-in, I subsequently applied D-Nice's settings, and the subsequent ISF calibration, as I believe D-Nice hizownself says is likely, yielded substantially superior results. I am not sure if Evangelo's slides would have yielded any different results.

It seems like a prudent, although possibly unnecessary, exercise to illuminate a PDP with monocolor slides of varying hues and colors for the first 200 hours: it seems to me this would more gradually and completely "age" the phosphors. It cost me nothing, and I won't have to wonder in the future if I should have done it.

D-Nice's procedures are here, and Evangelo's slides are here. Information about plasma burn-/break-in/aging/whatever is here.

I will say that D-Nice's settings puzzled me a bit regarding setting some controls wide open during the initial session, but he has probably forgotten more than I know about PDP's, so I followed instructions without adverse effects. My intuition would have been to start at a low contrast and brightness, then gradually increase those settings while displaying a balanced selection of slides for say, 200-400 hours. It is not, however, as I said, like I am an expert.

What Dnice settings? He hasn't posted VT60 settings.

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Well I've had my 65VT60 for ever a week now, and I've read up on this whole enormous thread, so it's time to post my impressions of this set.
1. It's a replacement for a VT50 which had the yellow stain issue. As with all, two yellow areas on the sides, which were much hotter to the touch than the rest of the screen. This pretty much has convinced me that the yellow stain is a heat related problem. My replacement was fairly painless, two visits from my local repair shop, a week later they called me, asked if I was home and brought the VT60. It appeared to be in good shape, although when it started up in dim eco mode it looked like crap. A quick switch to THX mode made a vast improvement, though.
2. No fan noise from this September build unit. I wouldn't complain too much if there was, as those fans are there to prevent the panel from overheating and developing yellow stain. The VT50 put out a tremendous amount of heat from the front, especially in the stained areas; this set does not as much; the heat is vented out the back and away from the plasma cells.
3. No IR that I've seen.
4. No slides, and I've been mostly reading this thread with it. For a few days I was leaving it on Showtime or Starz when I wasn't using it, but now I just watch whatever I want and shut it off when it's power hungry self is not being watched.
5. Settings. THX is quite good, I tried the CNET settings and they sucked. Right now I'm using the Silly Sally (Thanks, SS) settings from his commando Best Buy calibration raid to good effect. I went through a bunch of settings on my VT50, too, and then D-Nice's settings were posted and that as they say was that. Too bad he hasn't posted settings for these sets. I'm going to get a meter and autocal, since in my opinion these sets will only be reference the day the calibrator leaves your house, after which they will drift off. With autocal, you can re-do your calibration as often as you want. And really, just how noticeable is the few extra percent of accuracy of the pro's equipment going to be? When I see where a few people have done side by side comparisons of autocal and pro calibrations, blind tested, only then will I be convinced that one is superior to the other. A shootout is obviously in order.
Speaking of side to side comparisons, I didn't get to do any between the VT50 and VT60, so I can only say that the VT60 looks somewhat better to my eyes, especially when I am looking at AVSforum and I don't see that blasted yellow stain. Even 2D programming seems to have a bit of 3D effect, especially noticeable on the LCS ball games that I have been watching. And what little actual 3D I have watched seems to be perfectly aligned, unlike the VT50.
So hey, enjoy these fantastic sets, I sure am enjoying mine.

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I'm considering picking up a VT60 to replace a G10. I've been reading how the ZT is better with light and reflections etc. The G10 is currently in our living room with a few North facing windows. If I've been content with my G10's performance as far as screen glare and brightness, will the VT60 be equivalent or better? Thanks for the input.
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So for a product that is 1800$ you should just get a 1900$ warranty?
That would be fine.

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I missed something here, are you saying Paul's is selling the TC-P65VT60 for below $2K, but they are "gray market", i.e., not an authorized dealer? No looking to incite a riot here if my terminology is not correct, or any debate about warranties, so basically, does Paul's actually sell a 65VT60 for <$2K delivered without tax, or are we talking about another model?
It's the 60" that Selfmade bought. They are authorized.
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