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I have it and its taken years of hard work and support to return it to a managable condition. Perfectionism is inherent in it. The problem iis nothing is perfect in life and its the condition that needs to be adressed, not the materialistic item ( which is only a short term fix until another issue arises) .

I have it to a certain degree still and it was really bad a few years ago. I remember obsessing over swirl marks that appeared in a little area on my last Kuro. It literally made me sick for days. I still have my moments but I have friends and family that help me to keep it in perspective. I see many of the same things when I read his responses which is why I posted. Nothing will be perfect as you stated. I still tell that to myself whenever I feel the OCD creeping back in.
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Nooooooooo! Now he will obsess about that! I can hear it now....is this guy reputable, what equipment should he use, how much is too much to pay, do i really need 300 hours, should i give him an ice cream sandwich..... Oh the horror! LOL biggrin.gif
Unfortunately it's no longer funny. The fact that we're wasting space with repeated talk about wobbly stands, lying the TV flat, specks of dirt, line bleed, minor scratches, "improper black levels," DSE, and other known, common plasma issues is ridiculous. These problems have been repeatedly discussed ad nauseum in this thread and others...the search function is your friend! And just when an issue has been beaten to death, it pops up again two pages later.

IMHO this thread has ceased to be of technical benefit to the vast majority of VT60 owners out there. It's really too bad because that's what AVS is supposed to be about, not a few posters kicking an obsession ball back and forth.

Please, guys, try to get some perspective on the "issues" you're posting about and try searching the forum or taking the discussion off-line before clogging up the thread even more with discussions that don't benefit the community. I'm not the only person who's asking for help with this but, for some reason, our pleas for sanity continue to fall on deaf ears.

FWIW I have mild OCD as well but I'm able to take a step back and recognize behaviors that aren't healthy. Many of us have freaked out about minor issues, but I think that some of us are able to recognize those issues for what they are. More importantly for AVS, we manage to refrain from posting about them repeatedly to the detriment of others.
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The same is happening to the ZT60 thread unfortunately...but not surprisingly.
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What do you guys think about the CNet recommendations (at least for the ZT60 I think it was) to run motion smoother on weak for 24p/96hz content? I had planned to have that setting off, but somewhere I had read that 24p/96hz needed motion smoother to weak to make it work properly and that it applied to the VT60 too. Not sure now where I read that but I thought it was CNet.

Edit: It was in the ZT60 review, here's the snippet............
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The amount of smoothing (dejudder) in the various Motion Smoother settings also depended on which Hz mode I selected. When the TV was in 60Hz mode, the Weak setting introduced plenty of artificial smoothing. In 96Hz mode, however, the smoothing in Weak was impossible for me to discern; I had the VT60 and ZT60 next to one another, one in Weak and the other Off, and I couldn't tell the difference in smoothing. That's important because, according to my motion resolution test, Panasonic plasmas achieve their best results only when dejudder (Weak or higher on the Motion smoother control) is activated. That's why I kept the ZT60 in Weak mode even with film-based sources, and that's why it scored the maximum result in our Geek Box test under "Dejudder off."

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Unfortunately it's no longer funny. The fact that we're wasting space with repeated talk about wobbly stands, lying the TV flat, specks of dirt, line bleed, minor scratches, "improper black levels," DSE, and other known, common plasma issues is ridiculous. These problems have been repeatedly discussed ad nauseum in this thread and others...the search function is your friend! And just when an issue has been beaten to death, it pops up again two pages later.

IMHO this thread has ceased to be of technical benefit to the vast majority of VT60 owners out there. It's really too bad because that's what AVS is supposed to be about, not a few posters kicking an obsession ball back and forth.

Please, guys, try to get some perspective on the "issues" you're posting about and try searching the forum or taking the discussion off-line before clogging up the thread even more with discussions that don't benefit the community. I'm not the only person who's asking for help with this but, for some reason, our pleas for sanity continue to fall on deaf ears.

FWIW I have mild OCD as well but I'm able to take a step back and recognize behaviors that aren't healthy. Many of us have freaked out about minor issues, but I think that some of us are able to recognize those issues for what they are. More importantly for AVS, we manage to refrain from posting about them repeatedly to the detriment of others.

***Instead of taking a portion of Schwa's post out of context I decided to highlight in bold the part I'm responding to***

Could not agree more about the the search function comment. I know we, myself included, often want answers quick. The search function can be finicky, but if you take a bit of time, typically you can find what you're looking for. Maybe a search function 101 thread...kidding.
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I'll just say this: I can afford a 5.1 and even a 7.1 system. But I don't have THE ROOM for six or eight speakers. I'm not going to hang them on my walls or even put them in my walls. I DO have room for a soundbar hanging from the TV mount and a wireless sub.

Can we at least agree that if the choices are the TV's speakers or a soundbar, it's ok for a friend to recommend a soundbar?

I'd find another way!!

I'd find some slim speakers to hang on the wall or maybe drop them from the ceiling. I'd look into in-wall or in-ceiling flush mounts as they aren't too expensive. Maybe I'd get some micro speakers and hide them in my couch cushions. Or I'd invest in a quality pair of good looking towers and consider them room accents or maybe rob a bank to buy a set of nautilus and use them as a conversation piece.

Again-- all this goes out the window if I'm considering a Yamaha sound projector. The original 'sound bar' and about as distinct from the knock-off-schlock it spawned as you can possibly get.

At this point I'm realizing I might actually be prejudice against sound bars and maybe you should just ignore me.

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But seriously-- soundbars suck! biggrin.gif

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Does anyone know how accurate the grayscale is on custom with waRm 2
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I guess what I'm wrestling with is whether or not to pay for pro calibration. I am on Jeff Meier's schedule for February when he comes to Denver, but I just can't imagine the picture getting that much better.
I can't tell you that you will see enough from a calibration to make you any happier. What I can do is point you to owner's comments about their professional calibrations using the link in the signature area at the bottom of my post. The flat panel displays are in the second post, and it's organized by manufacturer, model, and calibrator's AVS user name. Jeff's AVS user name is UMR. Check out the reports about his, or other calibrators in the Pioneer Kuro and the Panasonic VT/ZT areas. Count how many folks made similar "can't imagine" comments. wink.gif
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lol Shiny discs. Htwaits is a bad influence.
I must have dozed off, or maybe it's the short term memory thing, but I don't have all that many shinny disks. We come to think about it, I do more that I think I have. What were we talking about?
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Does anyone know how accurate the grayscale is on custom with waRm 2

I don't, but THX is going to give you the best greyscale out of the box. However, I would seriously consider a pro calibration after the 300 hour mark.
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I don't, but THX is going to give you the best greyscale out of the box. However, I would seriously consider a pro calibration after the 300 hour mark.

I will, but for now thx is a lil dull. The custom mode allows me to improve the gamma. For more pop. I was just wondering if it's close.
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***Instead of taking a portion of Schwa's post out of context I decided to highlight in bold the part I'm responding to***

Could not agree more about the the search function comment. I know we, myself included, often want answers quick. The search function can be finicky, but if you take a bit of time, typically you can find what you're looking for. Maybe a search function 101 thread...kidding.
If you guys no all the answers and have heard it all and don't want to hear it again then why do you still continue to come to this thread. What do you expect to read in here that hasn't been discussed already. What new posts are you expecting to see?

Let the new owners conversate in here. If nothing gets repeated we might as well close the thread because everything has already been discussed.
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Unfortunately it's no longer funny. The fact that we're wasting space with repeated talk about wobbly stands, lying the TV flat, specks of dirt, line bleed, minor scratches, "improper black levels," DSE, and other known, common plasma issues is ridiculous. These problems have been repeatedly discussed ad nauseum in this thread and others...the search function is your friend! And just when an issue has been beaten to death, it pops up again two pages later.

IMHO this thread has ceased to be of technical benefit to the vast majority of VT60 owners out there. It's really too bad because that's what AVS is supposed to be about, not a few posters kicking an obsession ball back and forth.

Please, guys, try to get some perspective on the "issues" you're posting about and try searching the forum or taking the discussion off-line before clogging up the thread even more with discussions that don't benefit the community. I'm not the only person who's asking for help with this but, for some reason, our pleas for sanity continue to fall on deaf ears.

FWIW I have mild OCD as well but I'm able to take a step back and recognize behaviors that aren't healthy. Many of us have freaked out about minor issues, but I think that some of us are able to recognize those issues for what they are. More importantly for AVS, we manage to refrain from posting about them repeatedly to the detriment of others.

Post of the month, at the very least. Thank you Schwa. We should all try and be tolerant of 'newbies' questions since we were once there as well. However, some of this nonsense has gone overboard. Think before you post and SEARCH before you post as you'll likely save a post or three! Also, I don't know if mods have stepped into this thread in recent days, but they have a responsibility in some capacity here as well. Heck, I'm still waiting for someone to give me an answer as to whether the DCI 98% Color Space feature on the VT and ZT series works? Concrete proof? Meter readings? I asked this three weeks ago. tongue.gif
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What do you guys think about the CNet recommendations (at least for the ZT60 I think it was) to run motion smoother on weak for 24p/96hz content? I had planned to have that setting off, but somewhere I had read that 24p/96hz needed motion smoother to weak to make it work properly and that it applied to the VT60 too. Not sure now where I read that but I thought it was CNet.

Edit: It was in the ZT60 review, here's the snippet............

I've tried it on Weak vs. Off and frankly, I don't notice any difference. Subtle, at best. Test patterns may show it, but the human eye may not. Mid and Strong eliminate the judder, but the image looks like hell! rolleyes.gif
I would rather live with the few instances of juddering in a two hour movies with Motion Smoother off, than watch the SOE for those two hours. Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
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If you guys no all the answers and have heard it all and don't want to hear it again then why do you still continue to come to this thread. What do you expect to read in here that hasn't been discussed already. What new posts are you expecting to see?

Let the new owners conversate in here. If nothing gets repeated we might as well close the thread because everything has already been discussed.

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Let the new owners conversate in here. If nothing gets repeated we might as well close the thread because everything has already been discussed.

That's what likely will (and is) happening now. When newcomers (hopefully) start utilizing the Search function, this thread will slow down and eventually be off the main page. That's just how it seems to happen. After CES, the Plasma thread that will be hot will be the Samsung anticipation thread. smile.gif That, and when there are no more 60 series Panny's left to purchase! frown.gif
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The search results from the forum's search function aren't that great or at least it's hard to find what you want sometimes because of the way the search results are laid out.

I use Google's advanced search.
https://www.google.com/advanced_search

Highlight and copy the forum's web address from your browser's address bar (minus any post IDs) and paste it into the site or domain: box.

The forum for this thread is
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467563/official-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/

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Use the site: command in the regular Google search box.

"service menu" site:http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467563/official-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/

The quotes aren't necessary except that I wanted that specific phrase instead of the two words in different areas of the post.


The results would be this
https://www.google.com/search?as_q=&as_epq=service+menu&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avsforum.com%2Ft%2F1467563%2Fofficial-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk%2F


Hope this helps someone.
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Does anyone know how accurate the grayscale is on custom with waRm 2

Since you asked so politely smile.gif, here they are -- factory defaults with all the junk turned off:

custom -- grayscale



custom -- gamma



custom -- gamut



For my 65VT60 only, of course.


If you want the THX cinema and plain cinema, let me know.


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The search results from the forum's search function aren't that great or at least it's hard to find what you want sometimes because of the way the search results are laid out.

I use Google's advanced search.
https://www.google.com/advanced_search

Highlight and copy the forum's web address from your browser's address bar (minus any post IDs) and paste it into the site or domain: box.

The forum for this thread is
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467563/official-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/

OR

Use the site: command in the regular Google search box.

"service menu" site:http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467563/official-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/

The quotes aren't necessary except that I wanted that specific phrase instead of the two words in different areas of the post.


The results would be this
https://www.google.com/search?as_q=&as_epq=service+menu&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avsforum.com%2Ft%2F1467563%2Fofficial-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk%2F


Hope this helps someone.

Good info. I'll try this sometime.

When the AVS search function doesn't work out I've googled avs forum followed by whatever I'm searching for. Has yielded good results, but I imagine your method(s) may be better.
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Does anyone know how accurate the grayscale is on custom with waRm 2

Since you asked so politely smile.gif, here they are -- factory defaults with all the junk turned off:

custom -- grayscale



custom -- gamma



custom -- gamut



For my 65VT60 only, of course.


If you want the THX cinema and plain cinema, let me know.


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Would the tracking for blue match up better if the TV was set to Normal instead of Warm2 for Custom? Warm2 looks a little yellow to me and Cool looks blue.
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Would the tracking for blue match up better if the TV was set to Normal instead of Warm2 for Custom? Warm2 looks a little yellow to me and Cool looks blue.

Here is the grayscale with warm1. See how much blue moves up.



And here it is with the Normal temperature setting:




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Unfortunately it's no longer funny. The fact that we're wasting space with repeated talk about wobbly stands, lying the TV flat, specks of dirt, line bleed, minor scratches, "improper black levels," DSE, and other known, common plasma issues is ridiculous. These problems have been repeatedly discussed ad nauseum in this thread and others...the search function is your friend! And just when an issue has been beaten to death, it pops up again two pages later.

IMHO this thread has ceased to be of technical benefit to the vast majority of VT60 owners out there. It's really too bad because that's what AVS is supposed to be about, not a few posters kicking an obsession ball back and forth.

Please, guys, try to get some perspective on the "issues" you're posting about and try searching the forum or taking the discussion off-line before clogging up the thread even more with discussions that don't benefit the community. I'm not the only person who's asking for help with this but, for some reason, our pleas for sanity continue to fall on deaf ears.

FWIW I have mild OCD as well but I'm able to take a step back and recognize behaviors that aren't healthy. Many of us have freaked out about minor issues, but I think that some of us are able to recognize those issues for what they are. More importantly for AVS, we manage to refrain from posting about them repeatedly to the detriment of others.

You're right, its not funny, but rather than get upset, like i did in the beginning with "him", i figured humor would be worth a shot. He's obviously not going to stop.

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The same is happening to the ZT60 thread unfortunately...but not surprisingly.

I sadly agree. When i first joined here, i was told i would regret it because the moderating here was, well bad. I ignored the warning and its proven true. I know moderating isnt easy but when senior members, the helpful ones get suspended and or banned because of trolls, that speaks volumes to the authority of this forum.
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You see its rare for me to post anymore. Theres rarely anything worth posting about.

Ive slowed too. Its sad because you've provided valuable help to people that REALLY need it.
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I'd find another way!!

I'd find some slim speakers to hang on the wall or maybe drop them from the ceiling. I'd look into in-wall or in-ceiling flush mounts as they aren't too expensive. Maybe I'd get some micro speakers and hide them in my couch cushions. Or I'd invest in a quality pair of good looking towers and consider them room accents or maybe rob a bank to buy a set of nautilus and use them as a conversation piece.

Again-- all this goes out the window if I'm considering a Yamaha sound projector. The original 'sound bar' and about as distinct from the knock-off-schlock it spawned as you can possibly get.

At this point I'm realizing I might actually be prejudice against sound bars and maybe you should just ignore me.

...

But seriously-- soundbars suck! biggrin.gif

Excellent advice.


A little rant.... My goal when i joined this forum, was to get info about my first purchase, a Panasonic VT25. I learned some great information, from members no longer active (i wonder why...) Not just info about my TV, but about other electronics as well. I decided i would stick around and help people like i was helped. It was also fun and enjoyable to discuss electronics with other members.

Sadly, this place has gone down hill and it is no longer enjoyable to participate. Because of that, i have decided to no longer participate in this, or any other AVS forum. I consider myself as being helpful, and i know members have been thankful based on PMs and replies, I do hope new members do continue to get accurate help, unfortunately those that are willing are dropping like flies.

I hope things change here and the moderators wake up before its too late, but history shows it won't happen.

Happy holidays to everyone, i hope you all have a wonderful time with family and friends.

Ill leave you with this....just remember, its only a TV people!

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Here is the grayscale with warm1. See how much blue moves up.



And here it is with the Normal temperature setting:




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Thank you Larry, it confirms my own suspicions that warm2 is too earthy with a color temp prolly 6300. its nice to see how uniform red and green are.
i may actually stick with warm1, as they are essentially the same DeltaE accept a little cooler. One more question is it possible to see where the gamma lies at each setting, (2.2, 2.4, 2.6) im not sure what setting you were using, thank you again great charts
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Hello guys I need your help plz' I have been trying for a long time now to connect my Panasonic htb 350 sound bar to my vt60 with no success frown.gif I connect an optical cable from my TV to the soundbar but I get no sound out of it... At first I thought the soundbars optical inputs were busted so I borrowed my brothers same soundbar to check if it would work.. But nothing .. Is there an option somewhere on the menu to select external speakers? Or something? Plz help

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Unfortunately nothing there on the vt. viera link doesn't find anything cuz I have the soundbar connected through optical and TV just takes me back to TV channel... Damn it frown.gif

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You can do a search of this thread for "Home Theater" or wait for an owner to help.



This was asked a while back with no definitive answers. I haven't been able to figure out how to bring up the audio settings in order to choose external speakers or the home theater option. It is neither in the main menu nor in the viera apps section. Has anyone figured it out yet?
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Read just about 2 more posts past mine that you quoted and the answer is there.



Not really. There was a suggestion to try the viera apps and choosing viera link to choose the home theater option but like most owners here mine comes up "Feature Not Available". I do have the most recent firmware updated so that's not the issue.

Edit: Got it to work after turning on the HDMI CEC feature on my Oppo 103D smile.gif
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You're right, its not funny, but rather than get upset, like i did in the beginning with "him", i figured humor would be worth a shot. He's obviously not going to stop.
I sadly agree. When i first joined here, i was told i would regret it because the moderating here was, well bad. I ignored the warning and its proven true. I know moderating isnt easy but when senior members, the helpful ones get suspended and or banned because of trolls, that speaks volumes to the authority of this forum.
Ive slowed too. Its sad because you've provided valuable help to people that REALLY need it.
Excellent advice.


A little rant.... My goal when i joined this forum, was to get info about my first purchase, a Panasonic VT25. I learned some great information, from members no longer active (i wonder why...) Not just info about my TV, but about other electronics as well. I decided i would stick around and help people like i was helped. It was also fun and enjoyable to discuss electronics with other members.

Sadly, this place has gone down hill and it is no longer enjoyable to participate. Because of that, i have decided to no longer participate in this, or any other AVS forum. I consider myself as being helpful, and i know members have been thankful based on PMs and replies, I do hope new members do continue to get accurate help, unfortunately those that are willing are dropping like flies.

I hope things change here and the moderators wake up before its too late, but history shows it won't happen.

Happy holidays to everyone, i hope you all have a wonderful time with family and friends.

Ill leave you with this....just remember, its only a TV people!
And your post was helpful how? I would rather read posts of people repeating questions about the TV being discussed then posts of people bickering about people asking questions about their TV.

If you don't want to post here that is fine, but by posting complaints you are doing 2 things.
1)You are still posting here
2)You are adding no value at all to this thread

Pots like this have already been posted. If we wanted to read about it we can search for complaints.

I also don't expect a response because you no longer participate here so hopefully we can now move on. biggrin.gif

This site is the best A/V site around and if you don't want to participate then that is your decision but don't knock it for others that enjoy being here.
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jconjason, I REALLY wish you would reconsider your decision to leave. I know it's ironic for reasons you already know, that I would be the one to write this, but I will really miss not having you around here. You have contributed so much to this post. So if someone you can't stand is writing things like this, imagine what the people you like are thinking about your decision to leave.


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