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Hello,

I'm on the fence regarding a 55VT60 and time is seemingly running out. I currently have a 500M Kuro, but it has started to show signs of the red tint issue. I was considering trying the factory reset trick, but I figured I should at least consider grabbing one of the new Panasonics while I still can.

The only two things holding me back are maximum light output and DSE. I watch content in a almost-pitch black room with bias lighting most of the time. My Kuro is calibrated to ~34ftl and I find that to be just right, but I've seen a number of calibration reports where the VT60 comes up at about 25-30. My calibrator confirmed this by saying that the last few he calibrated came up at about 28.

DSE, while not a huge deal, is of some slight concern to me. I had a VT25 back in the day and it had very noticeable DSE, and while it wasn't a deal-breaker it was slightly annoying. The Kuro of course has little to no DSE.

Are these two things worth worrying about? Will I notice the difference between 34 and 28 ftl? Do all VT60s have DSE?

Speaking of the VT25, I can only assume that the whole brightness fluctuation bug has been eliminated in newer models, correct? As in when you go from a bright scene to a dark one the entire screen suddenly brightens about a half second later?

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So is the H-Touch just as good and same configure etc:)

I'm not sure I follow you. The hard buttons (FF, Play, Rewind) are in different places on the remote. They are up top on the Touch and lower on the One. I prefer them lower as I use them more.
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In the past couple of days, I ended up trying various things to help out my VT60. As many of you know, I've been going back and forth on whether or not to send the TV back.

One thing I realized was that I had actually changed the lighting in my theatre room right before I got the new TV. Even though the lighting was behind me, it was still a bit bright and I think it was detracting from the brightness of the screen. I had forgotten the timing of this change and apparently I hadn't watched a lot of content on my VT25 in the new lighting. I unscrewed one of the LED bulbs and it made a drastic difference in overall panel brightness and picture quality, without the eye fatigue (what I noted as my eyes trying to pull in the light). This was HUGE improvement.

I then tried the Plasma Guide settings...and they are definitely not as bright as the CNET settings. I've watched various content now with CNET settings and it is by far amazing on my set. After watching Big Bang Theory last night and seeing the various palette of colors presented in the comic stores....WOW....I'm going to guess that my colors are very close to spot on. I'll use the word AMAZING. I can usually tell by the NBC logo if anything is pushing one color or another. I've realized a lot of my issue to was content based more so than the VT60's fault. Some hockey and football games are dim, others are bright and this TV reproduces the picture accurately more so than brightening everything up and losing detail. Now...all of this was in a dim room...not in a bright room.

Do I wish that the VT60 was brighter? Yes...absolutely. But I think its pretty much on par with my VT25 (like everyone has been telling me). There are no LEDs that i would be happy with and the F8500 will cost another $1300 and I think the stand is not very attractive. I've flip flopped back and forth, but I think I'm going to keep the VT60. If I had it to do over again, I might have waited until the next model year to see what Samsung comes out with. But for right now, the VT60 is a great TV at a great price and the one I'm going to stick with.

I still hope that someone will post some "CNET-like" settings that are as bright as THX Bright Room. If I could have another option to watch with the shades open during the day, this would be a near perfect TV. Hopefully one of you guys with the calibration equipment can experiment with it? There's not much that can be adjusted in THX Bright Room....so the new settings would have to be in Prof2.
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I posted this in its own thread by mistake so I'll put up here:

My 55VT60 is now a week old and two issues have come up. The first is motion judder. I am seeing quite a bit of it on many Blu-rays using the 96hz mode with the motion smoother on weak and 1080p Pure Direct mode turned on. It occurs with the smoother off as well. The judder is considerably more noticeable than it was on my ST30 using the 60hz mode with the smoother on weak. I've also seen some stuttering on the cable broadcasts as well but II haven't watched enough of them yet to pin down their frequency. All of the reviews indicate that the VT60s handle motion very well but that has not been my experience so far. Isn't the 60hz setting supposed to be worse with judder than the 96hz setting?

The second issue is really odd. Every now and then, when a blu-ray is running (Sony BDP-790 into a Denon AVR591 into HDMI 2 on the TV), the HDMI 2 gray input indicator appears in the top left corner for a few seconds as though the input had changed. There doesn't seem to be anything in particular causing this but it is pretty annoying when it occurs. Has anyone seen anything like this or have any thoughts on its cause and/or the motion handling problems? I have 3 weeks left in my Amazon return window but they are now out of stock on the 55' sets and show Paul's with only six left at $200 more than I paid so a return would be a last resort action at this point. Thanks.

24p judder is likely what you are seeing. If this is what you are seeing 60 will fix that problem.
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So is the H-Touch just as good and same configure etc:)

I have the Harmony Ultlimate and the touch and both work fine. JT
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I'm not sure I follow you. The hard buttons (FF, Play, Rewind) are in different places on the remote. They are up top on the Touch and lower on the One. I prefer them lower as I use them more.
i'm saying is it equal to "ONE" Just hard buttons versus touchscreen..Or Since Harmony one is discontinue is there another remote being use now..i read Touch people do not like and logitech is no longer going to make harmony..ty for your response

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i'm saying is it equal to "ONE" Just hard buttons versus touchscreen..Or Since Harmony one is discontinue is there another remote being use now..i read Touch people do not like and logitech is no longer going to make harmony..ty for your response

You could use the Harmony 650 which is all hard buttons and the FFand RR are in the same place as the One, but has a limit on the number of devices it will control.
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hey guys,

I downloaded the VT60 prep slides from my Mac. Now I know some have had issues with Mac and I think I am too. When I downloaded the slides onto my flash drive i see all the colors and everything seems good but when i plug it into the TV and open them up theres about 5 or 6 boxes with [!] in them. Just black boxes that pop up as can not read file. I'm not sure what that is, is this do to my mac?
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Hello,

I'm on the fence regarding a 55VT60 and time is seemingly running out. I currently have a 500M Kuro, but it has started to show signs of the red tint issue. I was considering trying the factory reset trick, but I figured I should at least consider grabbing one of the new Panasonics while I still can.

The only two things holding me back are maximum light output and DSE. I watch content in a almost-pitch black room with bias lighting most of the time. My Kuro is calibrated to ~34ftl and I find that to be just right, but I've seen a number of calibration reports where the VT60 comes up at about 25-30. My calibrator confirmed this by saying that the last few he calibrated came up at about 28.

DSE, while not a huge deal, is of some slight concern to me. I had a VT25 back in the day and it had very noticeable DSE, and while it wasn't a deal-breaker it was slightly annoying. The Kuro of course has little to no DSE.

Are these two things worth worrying about? Will I notice the difference between 34 and 28 ftl? Do all VT60s have DSE?

Speaking of the VT25, I can only assume that the whole brightness fluctuation bug has been eliminated in newer models, correct? As in when you go from a bright scene to a dark one the entire screen suddenly brightens about a half second later?

Thanks!

My 65VT60 has no issues getting to 38 ftL pro calibrated, so I don't see why that would be an issue for the 55". The VT60 does have some DSE but over time I hardly ever notice it and even then it's when I am specifically looking for it on a light background.

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Do I wish that the VT60 was brighter? Yes...absolutely. But I think its pretty much on par with my VT25 (like everyone has been telling me). There are no LEDs that i would be happy with and the F8500 will cost another $1300 and I think the stand is not very attractive. I've flip flopped back and forth, but I think I'm going to keep the VT60. If I had it to do over again, I might have waited until the next model year to see what Samsung comes out with. But for right now, the VT60 is a great TV at a great price and the one I'm going to stick with.

I still hope that someone will post some "CNET-like" settings that are as bright as THX Bright Room. If I could have another option to watch with the shades open during the day, this would be a near perfect TV. Hopefully one of you guys with the calibration equipment can experiment with it? There's not much that can be adjusted in THX Bright Room....so the new settings would have to be in Prof2.

There are settings in the Sound and Vision review of the VT60 that use Professional 2 and really go to town on all of the IRE values. They are a good starting point for experimenting. As far as brightness goes, I've been pleasantly surprised by the VT60's handling of whites. Are they LED or Samsung F8500 bright? No, but they are actually pretty good, especially in comparison to my old ST30. I watched parts of several hockey games on Comcast Sports Network and NBC Sports Network and while the brightness of the ice surfaces varies wildly from arena to arena depending on their lights, overall, they have looked pretty good. The best example is the SAP Center where the San Jose Sharks play. On my St30, the surface always looked dingy and dull. On the VT60, it looks considerably better.
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hey guys,

I downloaded the VT60 prep slides from my Mac. Now I know some have had issues with Mac and I think I am too. When I downloaded the slides onto my flash drive i see all the colors and everything seems good but when i plug it into the TV and open them up theres about 5 or 6 boxes with [!] in them. Just black boxes that pop up as can not read file. I'm not sure what that is, is this do to my mac?
Yes, if you have a Windows machine, use that. Otherwise I am not sure if there was a work around for Macs.

I am currently using Sound & Visions calibration settings for the 65VT60 and think I am pretty happy with it. The only thing I changed was the W/B Detail Adust. I left them all at zero. I found that changing them seemed to do more damage then good.

Edit - Pretty funny Cal just wrote about Sound and Vision as I was typing this up. Would like to see what others say about the W/B Detail Adust if they try the settings out.
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Yes, if you have a Windows machine, use that. Otherwise I am not sure if there was a work around for Macs.

I am currently using Sound & Visions calibration settings for the 65VT60 and think I am pretty happy with it. The only thing I changed was the W/B Detail Adust. I left them all at zero. I found that changing them seemed to do more damage then good.

Edit - Pretty funny Cal just wrote about Sound and Vision as I was typing this up. Would like to see what others say about the W/B Detail Adust if they try the settings out.

Can someone post the link to the S&V settings for the VT60? I'm not finding it on here.
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Can someone post the link to the S&V settings for the VT60? I'm not finding it on here.
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Since I am kinda fed up looking for a solution to fit a decent projector in our living room, I am considering switching my 50gt60 for a 65vt65. Is going from a 50" to a 65" going to make a big difference (sitting about 4m from the tv). Of course it wont be the same as my 102" screen I have for our projector, but I cant stand the picture of the cheap projector I now have compared to the plasma.
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Since I am kinda fed up looking for a solution to fit a decent projector in our living room, I am considering switching my 50gt60 for a 65vt65. Is going from a 50" to a 65" going to make a big difference (sitting about 4m from the tv). Of course it wont be the same as my 102" screen I have for our projector, but I cant stand the picture of the cheap projector I now have compared to the plasma.
A 65" is way larger then a 50.
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Alas, my 60VT60 doesn't arrive until Monday. Can someone compare brightness to a last generation CRT rear projection? ( which is what I'm looking at right now.)
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How about power consumption? Will a 65" be a lot more power draining than a 50"?
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Eric. were able to accurately interpret this section of the findings:

W/B Detail Adjust. (2D)
Mid High
Red –7 10
Green –1 4
Blue 14 –3

W/B Detail Adjust. (32D)
Mid High
Red –15 11
Green 0 0
Blue –6 –1

Is that mid panel brightness vs High and are the top RGB settings the high ones and the bottom ones the lows for the two panel levels?
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Eric. were able to accurately interpret this section of the findings:

W/B Detail Adjust. (2D)
Mid High
Red –7 10
Green –1 4
Blue 14 –3

W/B Detail Adjust. (32D)
Mid High
Red –15 11
Green 0 0
Blue –6 –1

Is that mid panel brightness vs High and are the top RGB settings the high ones and the bottom ones the lows for the two panel levels?
If you look in the comments there, someone wrote what they think it should be.
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Eric. were able to accurately interpret this section of the findings:

W/B Detail Adjust. (2D)
Mid High
Red –7 10
Green –1 4
Blue 14 –3

W/B Detail Adjust. (32D)
Mid High
Red –15 11
Green 0 0
Blue –6 –1

Is that mid panel brightness vs High and are the top RGB settings the high ones and the bottom ones the lows for the two panel levels?


They can mean only one thing:

W/B Detail Adjust. (2D)
W/B High R +10
W/B High G +4
W/B High -4 -3
W/B Low -7
W/B Low -1
W/B Low +14

The other set is for 3D

It is a sloppy presentation by S&V -- to say the least. I makes one wonder if they were as sloppy in their calibration.

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Thank you. Appreciate it.

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How about power consumption? Will a 65" be a lot more power draining than a 50"?

Are these serious questions?
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Yes, if you have a Windows machine, use that. Otherwise I am not sure if there was a work around for Macs.

I am currently using Sound & Visions calibration settings for the 65VT60 and think I am pretty happy with it. The only thing I changed was the W/B Detail Adust. I left them all at zero. I found that changing them seemed to do more damage then good.

Edit - Pretty funny Cal just wrote about Sound and Vision as I was typing this up. Would like to see what others say about the W/B Detail Adust if they try the settings out.

Had my IT guy stop but since everything in the house is Apple..he stopped by with his PC do it's all set thanks for your help
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How about power consumption? Will a 65" be a lot more power draining than a 50"?

You can find the average wattage in the panasonic specifications:
65VT60, average 189W
50GT50, average 106W

so that's a 78% increase in average power use. Average kilowatt-hour cost in the US is .12, so if you ran your TV for 6 hours a day before, it was costing you about $28 a year. The new one will cost about $50 annually. Of course, many things can differ in your actual usage between the two, but it is useful to see what the average of average is.
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There are settings in the Sound and Vision review of the VT60 that use Professional 2 and really go to town on all of the IRE values. They are a good starting point for experimenting. As far as brightness goes, I've been pleasantly surprised by the VT60's handling of whites. Are they LED or Samsung F8500 bright? No, but they are actually pretty good, especially in comparison to my old ST30. I watched parts of several hockey games on Comcast Sports Network and NBC Sports Network and while the brightness of the ice surfaces varies wildly from arena to arena depending on their lights, overall, they have looked pretty good. The best example is the SAP Center where the San Jose Sharks play. On my St30, the surface always looked dingy and dull. On the VT60, it looks considerably better.

I'll try these and let you know. I think I stayed away from these settings due to the 2D contrast being on 64. I can't imagine it being brighter than what I'm using...but its the last thing I have to try. I'll let you know how it goes.

Great info on hockey viewing...I guess I reacted too quick and blamed it on the TV when I should have known better.
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I'll try these and let you know. I think I stayed away from these settings due to the 2D contrast being on 64. I can't imagine it being brighter than what I'm using...but its the last thing I have to try. I'll let you know how it goes.

Great info on hockey viewing...I guess I reacted too quick and blamed it on the TV when I should have known better.

The differences in image brightness in the various NHL rinks is weird. Broadcasts from Madison Square Garden have rarely looked that good to me while the Joe in Detroit looks much better. Maybe it's the HD cameras used in the locations.
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i'm saying is it equal to "ONE" Just hard buttons versus touchscreen..Or Since Harmony one is discontinue is there another remote being use now..i read Touch people do not like and logitech is no longer going to make harmony..ty for your response

You could use the Harmony 650 which is all hard buttons and the FFand RR are in the same place as the One, but has a limit on the number of devices it will control.

That's the one I use and prefer over the 'one'
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In the past couple of days, I ended up trying various things to help out my VT60. As many of you know, I've been going back and forth on whether or not to send the TV back.

One thing I realized was that I had actually changed the lighting in my theatre room right before I got the new TV. Even though the lighting was behind me, it was still a bit bright and I think it was detracting from the brightness of the screen. I had forgotten the timing of this change and apparently I hadn't watched a lot of content on my VT25 in the new lighting. I unscrewed one of the LED bulbs and it made a drastic difference in overall panel brightness and picture quality, without the eye fatigue (what I noted as my eyes trying to pull in the light). This was HUGE improvement.

I then tried the Plasma Guide settings...and they are definitely not as bright as the CNET settings. I've watched various content now with CNET settings and it is by far amazing on my set. After watching Big Bang Theory last night and seeing the various palette of colors presented in the comic stores....WOW....I'm going to guess that my colors are very close to spot on. I'll use the word AMAZING. I can usually tell by the NBC logo if anything is pushing one color or another. I've realized a lot of my issue to was content based more so than the VT60's fault. Some hockey and football games are dim, others are bright and this TV reproduces the picture accurately more so than brightening everything up and losing detail. Now...all of this was in a dim room...not in a bright room.

Do I wish that the VT60 was brighter? Yes...absolutely. But I think its pretty much on par with my VT25 (like everyone has been telling me). There are no LEDs that i would be happy with and the F8500 will cost another $1300 and I think the stand is not very attractive. I've flip flopped back and forth, but I think I'm going to keep the VT60. If I had it to do over again, I might have waited until the next model year to see what Samsung comes out with. But for right now, the VT60 is a great TV at a great price and the one I'm going to stick with.

I still hope that someone will post some "CNET-like" settings that are as bright as THX Bright Room. If I could have another option to watch with the shades open during the day, this would be a near perfect TV. Hopefully one of you guys with the calibration equipment can experiment with it? There's not much that can be adjusted in THX Bright Room....so the new settings would have to be in Prof2.

Codeman00 - So glad to hear that you are getting happy with your tv!! Been reading about your thoughts/adventures (as they feel so much like mine). I am happy, but not WOW happy (yet). I am going to get a pro calibration because I want the colors and contrast and and brightness and gamma and everything spot on. I am tired of guessing (and second guessing and triple guessing) which of the 8 different picture modes to use, and then which setting to use. When I have the pro calibration settings, then I can say 'Now I have the perfect tv, with the perfect settings. Any problems with the way things look is not the tv's fault, it is either my fault or the source's fault (which I can't fix)'. PS - It really helped when I finally moved the old tv out of the room, because this way I can't side-by-side compare them.
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