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I am in northern NJ and it is expected to be about 35-40 degrees. I would like to power it on to make sure it is not DOA but can wait if it is better to do so. With those temps in mind, should I do a quick power on or wait?
I powered mine on after being delivered in similar temps. I thought it was better to do this than to let the drivers leave and then find out that it doesn't power on if there's another defect.
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Amazon just hit 100 units left in stock of the 65vt60, glad I got mine they are going fast!
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All my pistol have one in the chamber be it 44,45,9,380 even the 22. Lol
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Amazon just hit 100 units left in stock of the 65vt60, glad I got mine they are going fast!

I bought mine from BestBuy in late October, it was a September build. They price matched Amazon.

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I'm headed out to look in a couple hours!
You will love the picture...but probably won't like the stand....or the price! It might be worth it though. Good luck!
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Thanks.

Yeah, I've tried that and the more brightness added helps but also appears to wash things out a bit.

Well then I guess I just don't appreciate or like what dark scenes are 'supposed' to look like...I guess that is why there are a gazillion TVs out there for all the different types of pics people like...cool.gif
I look at it this way. In real life, if you were in a dark alley you would not be able to see everything in that alley as light as day. So of course a lot of the picture will be dark but this is where shadow detail comes in. On a good TV you will see all the little subtile things that one would probably see in that situation where another TV might make everything look brighter but everything will just get crushed and look like one big blob instead of seeing for example a little a garbage pail really dark in the background and even being up to pick up slight risges in it. Another TV might just show that garbage pail clearer just to brighten it up but remove all the fine detail that might actually be found on that garbage. Make sense?

Take a dark scene and throw your TV in vivid mode. Then throw it in one of the modes with the custom settings. This is when you will really see the shadow detail and how everything can be made brighter but you actual lose shadows within the picture.

I would like to see what you are seeing though. Do you have Netflix? If you do can you let me know a movie you have watched that looks bad in dark scenes and the time that scene takes place in the movie. I wan't to really try and compare apples to apples here and no better way then trying exactly what you are watching.

And yes, the F8500 is a great set as well but I can't imagine spending another $1,000 more then what I paid for the VT60 just to get some brightness out of it which I would most likely turn down anyway for a realistic picture. For sports it would not be as important to be accurate and can understand just wanting something bright. I also wouldn't worry about how ugly people say the stand is (yellowcanary), the picture on the TV should be the most important part of the decision.
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 I also wouldn't worry about how ugly people say the stand is (yellowcanary).
If the stand doesn't bother you no big deal but you'll still be seeing it all the time and it's still ugly. But everyone has their own taste just like in brightness.
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Has anyone else experienced the VT60 picture brightness and quality getting brighter over time? Is there any logical technical reason for this to happen?

Also, you guys talking about content differing has really got me comparing the content that I'm watching from my VT60 to my VT25 (in separate rooms). What I'm finding is, is that good picture dimness is due to content really not the TV. I watch my basketball team play at home (court) the other day, and the screen was very dim. I watched a game last night on ESPN and the game was very bright… On both TVs. Like you said, it's the content, not the TV. there is definitely some kind of difference in the processing or the way the picture is rendered on the screen between the two sets. The picture definitely excels on the VT60 and since Chad B has noted that he could brighten up the set just a little bit (if needed), I'm tending now toward keeping the VT60. So don't think that your help this falling on deaf ears.
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THX modes seem to "compress" the picture and when I put it back to custom it expands back out, not a whole lot but you can see it compress then Enlarge upon switching inputs.

The THX modes default to a no overscan full screen setting and display the correct aspect ratio. When you switch to the other modes and the picture "expands", the overscan setting and /or screen aspect ratio changes. The "expanded" image is actually the distorted one.
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 I also wouldn't worry about how ugly people say the stand is (yellowcanary).
If the stand doesn't bother you no big deal but you'll still be seeing it all the time and it's still ugly. But everyone has their own taste just like in brightness.
Haha!

Well if you watch in a dark room you won't see the stand, but then you probably wouldn't be in this predicament anyway. Lol

You can always mount the TV, can't you?
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I have a 65VT60 on the way from Amazon, delivery scheduled for Monday. Watching Amazon's remaining stock disappearing is seriously stressing me out. I'm afraid mine will have a problem requiring an exchange and there won't be any left. Guess I need to be more positive. It doesn't seem there are many common defects with these sets so I probably shouldn't worry. This is my third large plasma delivered from Amazon and the first two were fine with no issues. I bought a 58" Samsung plasma in 2010 and a 65" ST50 in 2012.

I really want this TV before it's gone, I didn't get the wife's approval to buy it until last Saturday so I almost missed out.
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The THX modes default to a no overscan full screen setting and display the correct aspect ratio. When you switch to the other modes and the picture "expands", the overscan setting and /or screen aspect ratio changes. The "expanded" image is actually the distorted one.

About this: can someone expand (see what I did there?) on the difference between "full" and "just" aspect ratios. What is the purpose for the two diff settings?

I just took my VT60 out of the box and started watching it. Is that ok?
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Took delivery today (TC-P65VT60) from Amazon Via CEVA... The two delivery men offered to unbox and set it up on the stand. Set is perfect with August build.. no fan noise.
Initial impressions with "Batman Begins" blu-ray is very promising. I was worried it would not meet my expectations as I have a Pioneer Elite 151D in my bedroom. I am spoiled.

Brightness on THX Cinema was acceptable out of box. Very happy but sad this will be the end of Panasonic Plasmas.

This thread can make you crazy and paranoid... I'm going to enjoy my new toy without worrying about the 4 billion settings that are possible, the interactions of my AV receiver, artifacts which are not there, slides to perfectly age my phosphorus, stray reflections, buzzing, fan noise, and finally burnt-in logos.

You can actually turn it on and watch it!
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Took delivery today (TC-P65VT60) from Amazon Via CEVA... The two delivery men offered to unbox and set it up on the stand. Set is perfect with August build.. no fan noise.
Initial impressions with "Batman Begins" blu-ray is very promising. I was worried it would not meet my expectations as I have a Pioneer Elite 151D in my bedroom. I am spoiled.

Brightness on THX Cinema was acceptable out of box. Very happy but sad this will be the end of Panasonic Plasmas.

This thread can make you crazy and paranoid... I'm going to enjoy my new toy without worrying about the 4 billion settings that are possible, the interactions of my AV receiver, artifacts which are not there, slides to perfectly age my phosphorus, stray reflections, buzzing, fan noise, and finally burnt-in logos.

You can actually turn it on and watch it!
Congrats! I personally wouldn't watch it for as least another 2 weeks. You should have to suffer a long drawn out period first before actually using the TV for its intended purpose.
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Got my 60" VT60 somewhat calibrated with the WOW: World of Wonder Blu-Ray disc. I know a pro calibration is best but I don't have that kind of money right now. A lot of posts I've read online have said to set gamma to 2.4 for the 60"-65" models. But the WOW test made it seem like 2.2 was the best match for my set.

 

Any advice? What do most of you set yours to?

 

Also for blu-ray content - 60hz or 96hz? Does one give better PQ?

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Got my VT60 last December 31st and its the best TV I've ever had hands down. And although the THX and THX Cinema picture presets are very nice, I decided to calibrated it using the AVS HD 709 disk. I was wondering how it turned out for everybody who used the calibration disk? Calibrating the Black Levels were easy for me however I just found it "odd" that I had to crank out my contrast to max level (100) and didnt even hit the desired white level (was 2 levels above). Anybody had the same "problem"?


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Got my VT60 last December 31st and its the best TV I've ever had hands down. And although the THX and THX Cinema picture presets are very nice, I decided to calibrated it using the AVS HD 709 disk. I was wondering how it turned out for everybody who used the calibration disk? Calibrating the Black Levels were easy for me however I just found it "odd" that I had to crank out my contrast to max level (100) and didnt even hit the desired white level (was 2 levels above). Anybody had the same "problem"?

 

I just posted about this in another thread. I calibrated my TV using the Disney WOW: World of Wonder Blu-Ray and setting brightness was easy. I achieved the correct black level. Setting contrast was impossible. Once I hit "50" the image on the screen remained unchanged. 50 looked exactly like 60, or 70, or 80... or 100! I went all the way up to 100 and it would not get "brighter" or "whiter" like it was supposed to.

 

So I have no idea what the optimal contrast setting is for my 60" VT60. :(

 

Someone mentioned something called ABL but I don't know much about it and am stuck.

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photogpab, do not worry. Without getting into the technical side of the discussion or recommending a real calibration, contrast is one of the few settings that varies from person to person based on preference.

The WOW disc is useless on modern plasmas for contrast. An easy way to eyeball it is to watch a bluray with black bars on top and bottom (2.4/2.35:1) and then find a scene that has a lot of dark and bright spots. Then just adjust the contrast untill you get the 'brightness' you want from the bright spots in that scene.
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photogpab, do not worry. Without getting into the technical side of the discussion or recommending a real calibration, contrast is one of the few settings that varies from person to person based on preference.

The WOW disc is useless on modern plasmas for contrast. An easy way to eyeball it is to watch a bluray with black bars on top and bottom (2.4/2.35:1) and then find a scene that has a lot of dark and bright spots. Then just adjust the contrast untill you get the 'brightness' you want from the bright spots in that scene.

 

gotcha. I wish I had known the WOW Disc was useless before I bought it. Haha! Is it only useless when calibrating Contrast? Because after calibrating my TV with the disc i absolutely noticed an improvement in PQ - particularly colors. I had no idea that the changes to "Color" and "Tint" could make such a noticeable difference.

 

And I had my brightness turned up too high.

 

What do most people set contrast to? There must be a general consensus on whats best? 60? 70? higher?

 

Another issue I had was weather to use "Low", "Mid" or "High" panel brightness. My wife liked "High" the best because it gave a more contrasty vivid-like appearance, but i thought it looked a bit rough on peoples faces.

 

But then sometimes Mid looked a bit too dull. I know this TV is hailed as reference quality so I just want to get it set to a place where it knocks my socks off. :)

 

appreciate the help!

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I also wish I hadn't bought that over priced coaster biggrin.gif

Panel Mid is the preferred setting - but you know if you are watching in the day with tons of light bouncing off the screen, by all means do what you can wink.gif

I'd see if you could use the Dnice settings (and then afterwards adjust the contrast upwards to your taste).

If you want a punchy picture when light is coming through windows and hitting the screen, there's not much you can do except to close the drapes with these sets.
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The Disney WOW disc has at least one useful feature for these panels and for which it has proven a worthwhile investment in my case, and that is the Pixel Flipper....seems to be the best way to diminish ornery IR.
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 I also wouldn't worry about how ugly people say the stand is (yellowcanary).
If the stand doesn't bother you no big deal but you'll still be seeing it all the time and it's still ugly. But everyone has their own taste just like in brightness.

I have the VT60 and didn't like the stand either, at first. Nor did I like the cheap silver plastic border around the edge. But its amazing how fast you can get used to certain things when other things like realistic PQ are factored in. Now, I don't even notice the two things that almost caused me to return the set....True story.

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Hey all,

Wanted to share a couple of things since I got my VT60 a couple of weeks ago. I've watched a variety of content all full screen and used d-nice slides when I've not been watching TV. I've aged my tv about 200 hours at this point.

I've used controlcal and have tried 3 settings so far.

DNICE's settings
Sound and Vision
Silly Sally's settings

I found the Sound and Vision settings to add a bit of red to the picture making skin tones look off.
DNICE's settings are quite good but when compared to Silly Sally's while the screen is brighter for DNICE it looks a little washed out in comparison.

So far I'm enjoying Silly Sally's settings the best and will need to check out CNET's when I get a chance.

I'm considering having a pro-calibration on the TV but not completely convinced just yet. Are there any 'famous' calibrators coming through the Seattle area any time in the near future?

Lastly I saw someone talking about Panasonic blacks losing their luster over time (rising blacks) due to some setting in the TV. Does anyone know if this is true and if it affects the VT60? Anyone familiar with the fix? Here's a link to a site where they talk about it and talk about the 'fix'

http://panasonic.mironto.sk/restoring_black/mll_readings/
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Amazon just hit 100 units left in stock of the 65vt60, glad I got mine they are going fast!
How is this seen ? Inventory on Amazon ?
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Got my 60" VT60 somewhat calibrated with the WOW: World of Wonder Blu-Ray disc. I know a pro calibration is best but I don't have that kind of money right now. A lot of posts I've read online have said to set gamma to 2.4 for the 60"-65" models. But the WOW test made it seem like 2.2 was the best match for my set.

Any advice? What do most of you set yours to?

Also for blu-ray content - 60hz or 96hz? Does one give better PQ?

Most popular settings (Sound & Vision, CNET) use 2.4.

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I am running Silly's settings now...will advise after I watch for a bit...thanks.

I don't know if anything is obvious in comparisons any more since people's opinions vary so much! rolleyes.gif

Thing is my TV is in a room with windows but none actually face the set...

We had a Vizio LED in our bedroom for a few years and I didn't really notice much side angle view drop off...though I probably never watched it that way.

Can you provide the link to Silly's settings? Thank you.

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Can you provide the link to Silly's settings? Thank you.

I believe this is what you are looking for.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1466472/2013-panasonic-settings-issues-thread/1110#post_23439581
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How is this seen ? Inventory on Amazon ?

add item to cart and change amount to a high number like 250. it will change to the current amount in stock.
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Lastly I saw someone talking about Panasonic blacks losing their luster over time (rising blacks) due to some setting in the TV. Does anyone know if this is true and if it affects the VT60? Anyone familiar with the fix? Here's a link to a site where they talk about it and talk about the 'fix'

http://panasonic.mironto.sk/restoring_black/mll_readings/
This defect only applies to some 2011 models and prior.
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This defect only applies to some 2011 models and prior.

That's good to hear. Thank you sir!
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