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post #10801 of 16627 Old 01-16-2014, 11:56 PM
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Thanks, I have added DSE to my list.

As far as your issue it is not something I noticed nor have I paid attention to see it but will look tomorrow if no one responds. Any chance of taking a video and maybe posting it up on YouTube.

Thanks! I'll try to take a video but it only happens if the TV hasn't been turned on for a while. I've tried power cycling it and unplugging it to replicate the issue, but to no avail. I'm hoping it won't become an issue. I'll give it another try either tomorrow morning or evening.
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Thanks! I'll try to take a video but it only happens if the TV hasn't been turned on for a while. I've tried power cycling it and unplugging it to replicate the issue, but to no avail. I'm hoping it won't become an issue. I'll give it another try either tomorrow morning or evening.

Do you have any way of plugging it in elsewhere to see if that makes a difference? It does sound odd.
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Has anyone actually had Dnice calibrate their VT60 and if so, what do you think?
Use the link in the signature area at the bottom of my post. Go to post number two and scroll down to the Panasonic VT60 sets. You will see links to anyone who has posted about D-Nice's work. You can also check his work with other model, especially the Pioneer Elite Kuro sets. D-Nice and the other well known calibrators are not restricted to a few plasma models. wink.gif
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I've decided to get a calibration for my 65VT60. But will I love it? confused.gif

I figure some of you must have gone thru this before and I would love to hear your happy (or sad) experiences.

I have some 600 hours on the tv. I use Cinema picture mode (which has some tweaked CNET settings). Picture is nice. Colors are bright and seem accurate-y. But I have not really experienced the WOW factor.

Scared that I will pay the big bucks for the calibration, and it will be only slightly better. Or even worse, that I won't like it. eek.gif And then the wife will remind me of my 'calibration folly' for years to come. But I want the WOW!

Please tell me what has been your experience.
You can read hundreds of owner comments about having a known professional calibrate their flat screen displays by using the link in the signature area at the bottom of my post. Go to post number two which has all the plasma reports.
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Do you have any way of plugging it in elsewhere to see if that makes a difference? It does sound odd.

I'm pretty sure I've seen it do this with two different outlets. One was when I was plugging in the TV for the first time at delivery. I remember the static catching my eye when I first turned it on. Again, it's only the first power up and only for maybe half a second or less... really strange
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This is an awesome post and a great resource for newbies.

I've had my 65VT60 for about a month and have been really enjoying it. I did end up having replace my set once because the uniformity on it was pretty bad. It was noticeable even in real content. Through the replacement, I did actually observe the following small variations between my two sets (original produced Oct'13, new one Aug'13):

- uniformity - my old set suffered from uniformity issues that extended beyond the slides.. my new one has slight uniformity issues exactly as eric3316 described, and is rarely, if ever noticeable in real content
- buzz - i never noticed my original set buzzing, but my new one definitely does.. i can sometimes hear it when my tv is muted (yes, sometimes i watch tv muted when my daughter naps), but it's really subtle and not a big deal
- fan - both seemed to have the fan fix.. the fan is by no means silent but it's not loud and rarely can be heard when the audio is at even a low level
- IR - both sets performed well in this regard, but short-term IR is definitely a thing, but doesn't seem much to worry about
- dirty screen effect - my original set had much, much worse DSE than my replacement set. kind of a bummer that it's a bit of the luck of the draw here.. either way, it wasn't THAT bad on my original set anyway.


Anyway, this is a fantastic set, and I think eric did a great job of capturing the most common questions/issues.

Having said that, I have one strange question. I noticed the first time I started up my new VT60, I could see some fuzzy static on the screen for literally less than 1 second. It fuzzed and dissipated very shortly. I've notice that the first time I start up the TV each day, I can see this fuzz. It's so short-lived that it never interferes with content -- it's gone long before the TV gets a signal from my receiver. I'm just a little concerned because my original set didn't do this. And I'm worried this could become a bigger problem. Has anyone seen this with their TV? Is this just a normal static discharge from when the TV hasn't been turned on for a while? Or is this the start of a bigger problem? And to be clear, I don't ever notice this issue after the initial startup of the TV... just curious...


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the brief white dancing pixels you see at power up is normal with any plasma. All three of mine (panny, kuro, then Samsung) have had it and its more noticeable in the colder months than the warmer. Gotta be something with plasma tech on cold start up in general.. Come May/June, you will forget you even made this post. Next December/ January, you will be scrounging for this post as reference to see if anyone has replied, lol. Its normal for the tech. Let the broad stretch her legs before the makes you breakfast. lol.
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the brief white dancing pixels you see at power up is normal with any plasma. All three of mine (panny, kuro, then Samsung) have had it and its more noticeable in the colder months than the warmer. Gotta be something with plasma tech on cold start up in general.. Come May/June, you will forget you even made this post. Next December/ January, you will be scrounging for this post as reference to see if anyone has replied, lol. Its normal for the tech. Let the broad stretch her legs before the makes you breakfast. lol.

Interesting I haven't noticed it but it has been over 40 celcius every time I have used the vt60 at home thus far.
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Thanks for the helpful summary. I take delivery of mine at 2pm today smile.gif
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Pilot just delivered mine, so far so good. No cracks/signs of damage. It was too cold to turn on and has a June 2013 build date. Fingers crossed until I can turn it on....
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the brief white dancing pixels you see at power up is normal with any plasma. All three of mine (panny, kuro, then Samsung) have had it and its more noticeable in the colder months than the warmer. Gotta be something with plasma tech on cold start up in general.. Come May/June, you will forget you even made this post. Next December/ January, you will be scrounging for this post as reference to see if anyone has replied, lol. Its normal for the tech. Let the broad stretch her legs before the makes you breakfast. lol.

Interesting, this is very helpful - thanks. I started it up just a moment ago and it didn't have the static. It's not exactly cold here in the Bay Area... and I keep my house at 68F... My original VT60 didn't seem to have this issue, and it was colder here when I had it... I also have owned a Panasonic V10 that never had this issue. I'll try to bear the weather in mind going forward though.

edit: another thought is.. i'm not sure I'd describe it as dancing "pixels" per se... it is less defined, linty fuzz that dances on the screen for a brief moment smile.gif well, in either case, it sounds like I'm making too much of this!
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So in the case that the Vt60 is entirely sold
Out everywhere in the country what would one do (not me) if there set stopped
Working a few months from now? Obviously they would be under warranty but can't replace it with the same set so what would thy do? Give you there new LED "allegedly" plasma Quality TV?
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Has anyone ordered a VT60 from Amazon since January 4th? I ordered a 65VT60 at that time and still have not received it (January 17th today). I am in the Chicago area, so sets delivered in Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison or Rockford would have gone through the same delivery chain.

I am very disappointed in Amazon. Half of these delays have been due to their inaction and inability to ensure there were no additional delays. The other half of the disappointment is saved for the shipping carrier JB Hunt, who has had the TV since January 10th and will not deliver it until January 21st at the earliest. I had never had issues with Amazon before, but this is very upsetting, since they have failed numerous times to even attempt to make up for their mistakes. I would have had the TV sooner had I canceled my first order and placed a new one.

At this point, I am scared there will be some sort of manufacturing defect and I will not be able to exchange or replace the set. Stock is running low (out) almost everywhere.
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Have an open mind... knowing that what he give you as a final might take some time to get adjusted to, but at least it should be what the director intend to. Color is very hard to judge by eye, unless you are trained and looked at those "accurate" one day-in day-out. And most accurate calibration do take away "brightness", as the best way to make things balanced will be to "take away", not "adding". So, you might lose some brightness, but if your environment allowed, you should get a much "natural" picture, which to me is more important.
The other thing you can ask your calibrator do is give you 1-2 more settings that might be less accurate, but suit to your taste. They are pretty customer-oriented smile.gif

But that essentially defeats the whole purpose of having a calibrator out. Your goal of a calibration should be to get as close as possible to rec. 709. Period. That is what is meant by "reference" levels. The VT/ZT60 has the potential to get closer to that than any other display on the market at the moment. By achieving those levels, you will essentially be watching content as close as possible the way it was meant to be seen and subjectively, you will start to see what a truly "natural" looking image looks like and how much better it looks compared to anything else. Also, getting a calibration doesn't necessarily mean you have to watch a dimmer image. There is a lot of misconception about this. Yes, sometimes light output might have to be toned down from the absolute maximum output of what the display is capable of, but the display should still be able to use most of the light output it's capable of performing in most cases.


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So in the case that the Vt60 is entirely sold
Out everywhere in the country what would one do (not me) if there set stopped
Working a few months from now? Obviously they would be under warranty but can't replace it with the same set so what would thy do? Give you there new LED "allegedly" plasma Quality TV?

Most displays can be repaired - a lot of Pioneer parts are still available from different sources. This isn't really something to worry about and if it happens then you deal with it then. I know you struggle with that concept, but let's not divert the thread to a what happens if my display breaks - of course you could always start a thread for that topic.

For those worrying about their Amazon sets being defective - the only thing I would be concerned about is that it arrives to your home/apartment in good condition. The number of issues with ANY display are greatly exaggerated on forums like this one. Be grateful you got one before they were gone. It is an awesome display when set up correctly. I look forward to enjoying mine until OLED becomes affordable or 100,000 hours - which ever comes first smile.gif
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So in the case that the Vt60 is entirely sold
Out everywhere in the country what would one do (not me) if there set stopped
Working a few months from now? Obviously they would be under warranty but can't replace it with the same set so what would thy do? Give you there new LED "allegedly" plasma Quality TV?
They should still make parts for years to come. If it cannot be fixed they usually give you a refund for the price you paid for the TV.
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Has anyone ordered a VT60 from Amazon since January 4th? I ordered a 65VT60 at that time and still have not received it (January 17th today). I am in the Chicago area, so sets delivered in Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison or Rockford would have gone through the same delivery chain.

I am very disappointed in Amazon. Half of these delays have been due to their inaction and inability to ensure there were no additional delays. The other half of the disappointment is saved for the shipping carrier JB Hunt, who has had the TV since January 10th and will not deliver it until January 21st at the earliest. I had never had issues with Amazon before, but this is very upsetting, since they have failed numerous times to even attempt to make up for their mistakes. I would have had the TV sooner had I canceled my first order and placed a new one.

At this point, I am scared there will be some sort of manufacturing defect and I will not be able to exchange or replace the set. Stock is running low (out) almost everywhere.

I ordered 2 days ago and it did not ship and when I asked them they said they are not sure if it will ship now since none are available. I am ordering a backup display. Amazon updated my account to show that if it ships and I source elsewhere they will return it with no reshipping fees.

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Has anyone ordered a VT60 from Amazon since January 4th? I ordered a 65VT60 at that time and still have not received it (January 17th today). I am in the Chicago area, so sets delivered in Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison or Rockford would have gone through the same delivery chain.

I am very disappointed in Amazon. Half of these delays have been due to their inaction and inability to ensure there were no additional delays. The other half of the disappointment is saved for the shipping carrier JB Hunt, who has had the TV since January 10th and will not deliver it until January 21st at the earliest. I had never had issues with Amazon before, but this is very upsetting, since they have failed numerous times to even attempt to make up for their mistakes. I would have had the TV sooner had I canceled my first order and placed a new one.

At this point, I am scared there will be some sort of manufacturing defect and I will not be able to exchange or replace the set. Stock is running low (out) almost everywhere.

That's really unacceptable, but you shouldn't blame Amazon. It's in the hands of JB Hunt, who were a week late with mine and didn't call until I contacted them through Amazon. It might be partially weather related. After you receive your set, make sure you contact Amazon and they should give you a credit for your frustration.
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Has anyone ordered a VT60 from Amazon since January 4th? I ordered a 65VT60 at that time and still have not received it (January 17th today). I am in the Chicago area, so sets delivered in Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison or Rockford would have gone through the same delivery chain.

I am very disappointed in Amazon. Half of these delays have been due to their inaction and inability to ensure there were no additional delays. The other half of the disappointment is saved for the shipping carrier JB Hunt, who has had the TV since January 10th and will not deliver it until January 21st at the earliest. I had never had issues with Amazon before, but this is very upsetting, since they have failed numerous times to even attempt to make up for their mistakes. I would have had the TV sooner had I canceled my first order and placed a new one.

At this point, I am scared there will be some sort of manufacturing defect and I will not be able to exchange or replace the set. Stock is running low (out) almost everywhere.
I wouldn't worry about it being defected. Your first panel is just as likely to be in working condition as the replacement would be.
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I am getting pretty concerned. My set has 180 hours on it and everything seems fine. I keep checking to see if the fans are running and I don't think they are. I put my hand on back of tv and it is actually hot, not warm - one or two spots are hot to the point that if I hold my hand on them for a period of time, I am pretty sure I would get a minor burn on my hand!!! Is this normal???? I would say some spots on back of tv are around 110-120 F and some spots are approaching 130-140deg F. This seems pretty damn hot to me!!!!

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Pilot just delivered mine, so far so good. No cracks/signs of damage. It was too cold to turn on and has a June 2013 build date. Fingers crossed until I can turn it on....

Keep us updated please. Did you have pilot put it on the stand or just leave the box in your house? Pilot is delivering mine on monday. The temperature that day will be low 33, high 63. It is being delivered to me between 3pm-7pm. How long should I wait before I plug it in?

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But that essentially defeats the whole purpose of having a calibrator out. Your goal of a calibration should be to get as close as possible to rec. 709. Period. That is what is meant by "reference" levels. The VT/ZT60 has the potential to get closer to that than any other display on the market at the moment. By achieving those levels, you will essentially be watching content as close as possible the way it was meant to be seen and subjectively, you will start to see what a truly "natural" looking image looks like and how much better it looks compared to anything else. Also, getting a calibration doesn't necessarily mean you have to watch a dimmer image. There is a lot of misconception about this. Yes, sometimes light output might have to be toned down from the absolute maximum output of what the display is capable of, but the display should still be able to use most of the light output it's capable of performing in most cases.

I disagree with that. I'm not a calibrator myself, but most calibrators will set up a day and night setting for you viewing or a custom viewing setting that is specially set up for the typical lighting in the room the TV is set up in. For example...if you put an torch LED in a completely dark room, then you're going to have to dial the panel brightness down and vice versa if its set up in a bright room with a lot of windows. From what I've read, a good calibration is more than just a "set it to perfect" task, its more of setting it to perfect but modifying it for the owners personal viewing environment and the content to what that person watches. I am fine with a calibrator coming to my house and setting up my VT60 for perfect dark room settings, but I doubt that I will ever use them. I've never once used them in the past because they are way too dim and I don't like to watch TV with the lights out. I'll probably use the day settings all of the time like I have in the past with my VT25's. If a calbrator said he was going to set up one single night viewing perfect to 709 setting, then I would not waste money on a calibration....its way too dim for what i would personally watch on a regular basis.
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Keep us updated please. Did you have pilot put it on the stand or just leave the box in your house? Pilot is delivering mine on monday. The temperature that day will be low 33, high 63. It is being delivered to me between 3pm-7pm. How long should I wait before I plug it in?

Thanks

They just took the top of the box off (too cold to turn on) so I could check for screen damage, etc. I let it sit in the box for about two hours to warm up while I put the stand together and then put it on the stand.

I wrote on the receipt that I could not turn it on in case there were any issues (thankfully so far none).

Running the slides now, it had zero hours on it and it makes my 55gt30 look like a 32"!!

Just a beautiful TV, I love that the stand props the screen up higher than my gt30 so my center speaker will fit and not block the screen.
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Questions for you guys on the VT60....
  1. Does everyone see the top menu bar everytime that the TV is turned on before it goes to full screen? Is this something standard that cannot be fixed?
  2. Is the Iphone 5S supported with the feature where you can flip a picture to the screen?
  3. Has anyone else experienced the panel brightening up after 300-400 hours? Is there any technical reason for this phenomenon?
  4. What is the recommended amount of hours on the VT60 before calibration?
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But that essentially defeats the whole purpose of having a calibrator out. Your goal of a calibration should be to get as close as possible to rec. 709. Period. That is what is meant by "reference" levels. The VT/ZT60 has the potential to get closer to that than any other display on the market at the moment. By achieving those levels, you will essentially be watching content as close as possible the way it was meant to be seen and subjectively, you will start to see what a truly "natural" looking image looks like and how much better it looks compared to anything else. Also, getting a calibration doesn't necessarily mean you have to watch a dimmer image. There is a lot of misconception about this. Yes, sometimes light output might have to be toned down from the absolute maximum output of what the display is capable of, but the display should still be able to use most of the light output it's capable of performing in most cases.

I agree, that's why I said you will want 1 setting to be as close to rec 709 as possible, but then there are cases you will want to deviate from it. For example, if you are in a bright room, you might want to sacrifice and trade off to higher brightness.. you might want to have another setting for a gamma for your taste, since gamma is never a standard.... you might even want one for your broadcast TV content which have no standard or reference to follow. What I am trying to say is, the calibrator will be more than happy to find some compromise to help you in those situation.
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[*] What is the recommended amount of hours on the VT60 before calibration?

D-Nice recommends a minimum of 300 hours before calibration.
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Questions for you guys on the VT60....
  1. Does everyone see the top menu bar everytime that the TV is turned on before it goes to full screen? Is this something standard that cannot be fixed?
  2. Is the Iphone 5S supported with the feature where you can flip a picture to the screen?
  3. Has anyone else experienced the panel brightening up after 300-400 hours? Is there any technical reason for this phenomenon?
  4. What is the recommended amount of hours on the VT60 before calibration?

I assume you already set the home screen to "full-screen".. and yes, I see the menu bar for a brief moment. I think it is because I usually turn on my TV first, and then my AVR later, so the TV did not receive the signal yet.

I try this on iphone 5 (ios 7) and have no problem flipping picture on it. I don't see why 5S will be different if on same OS.
People said 300-400 hrs.. I probably will wait till 100-200 hrs to do a check (if you have the gear yourself), but if you are looking for professional, I would say go for 300.
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Most displays can be repaired - a lot of Pioneer parts are still available from different sources. This isn't really something to worry about and if it happens then you deal with it then. I know you struggle with that concept, but let's not divert the thread to a what happens if my display breaks - of course you could always start a thread for that topic.

For those worrying about their Amazon sets being defective - the only thing I would be concerned about is that it arrives to your home/apartment in good condition. The number of issues with ANY display are greatly exaggerated on forums like this one. Be grateful you got one before they were gone. It is an awesome display when set up correctly. I look forward to enjoying mine until OLED becomes affordable or 100,000 hours - which ever comes first smile.gif

I was just curious...apologies for going off topic a little. But I've seen so many posts from new owners or people waiting on delivery and worry about damages because there are no more, I understand there pain. But there's always tech repairs which are usually quick and puts the TV back to the way it should be.

About the OLED...count on your 100,000 hours coming first lol
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I disagree with that. I'm not a calibrator myself, but most calibrators will set up a day and night setting for you viewing or a custom viewing setting that is specially set up for the typical lighting in the room the TV is set up in. For example...if you put an torch LED in a completely dark room, then you're going to have to dial the panel brightness down and vice versa if its set up in a bright room with a lot of windows. From what I've read, a good calibration is more than just a "set it to perfect" task, its more of setting it to perfect but modifying it for the owners personal viewing environment and the content to what that person watches. I am fine with a calibrator coming to my house and setting up my VT60 for perfect dark room settings, but I doubt that I will ever use them. I've never once used them in the past because they are way too dim and I don't like to watch TV with the lights out. I'll probably use the day settings all of the time like I have in the past with my VT25's. If a calbrator said he was going to set up one single night viewing perfect to 709 setting, then I would not waste money on a calibration....its way too dim for what i would personally watch on a regular basis.

I hate to tell you but David is right, and you are only right about the Day/Night, and with the VT60 they will also do 3D. In the case of all 3 modes that are set up the goal is going to be to get them as close to reference as possible. I suspect that some who are use to watching their sets in THX Bright might even find the Day mode of a pro calibrated display dim until they adjust to it. In my case DNice left me with a Custom mode (set to reference) to dial up or down the light output - great that he did it but I have left my set on ISF Day and enjoyed it ever since. Honestly there is a very slight difference between night and day, thus the lack of jumping back and forth with the settings. Some calibrators may do as you suggest to keep the customer happy, but then that isn't setting a display to reference. in my experience that is explained during the calibration. Made sense to me.

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I agree, that's why I said you will want 1 setting to be as close to rec 709 as possible, but then there are cases you will want to deviate from it. For example, if you are in a bright room, you might want to sacrifice and trade off to higher brightness.. you might want to have another setting for a gamma for your taste, since gamma is never a standard.... you might even want one for your broadcast TV content which have no standard or reference to follow. What I am trying to say is, the calibrator will be more than happy to find some compromise to help you in those situation.

I see where are you coming from and tend to agree. Although gamma has now been standardized to BT1886 although that's still not ideal in some cases (in my opinion).


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I disagree with that. I'm not a calibrator myself, but most calibrators will set up a day and night setting for you viewing or a custom viewing setting that is specially set up for the typical lighting in the room the TV is set up in. For example...if you put an torch LED in a completely dark room, then you're going to have to dial the panel brightness down and vice versa if its set up in a bright room with a lot of windows. From what I've read, a good calibration is more than just a "set it to perfect" task, its more of setting it to perfect but modifying it for the owners personal viewing environment and the content to what that person watches. I am fine with a calibrator coming to my house and setting up my VT60 for perfect dark room settings, but I doubt that I will ever use them. I've never once used them in the past because they are way too dim and I don't like to watch TV with the lights out. I'll probably use the day settings all of the time like I have in the past with my VT25's. If a calbrator said he was going to set up one single night viewing perfect to 709 setting, then I would not waste money on a calibration....its way too dim for what i would personally watch on a regular basis.

Light output is subjective. Black level, color saturation, color points, and greyscale are not (unless the display has some inherent issues, but not the case with the VT60). Gamma is also a bit subjective, but BT1886 is supposed to be the new standard.


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