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I think you're right. I'm using a mid 80's stereo cabinet made out of solid oak that's 48" wide and 30" tall. My ZT 60 sits nicely on it even though it hangs over the edge like 4". I don't see the need to spend any money on a new cabinet except for the fact that I wouldn't mind the TV 6" - 8" lower. No doubt the next purchase will be ill suited for whatever I buy. Damn I hate advancing technology!



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Is all that furniture sold specifically for the Panasonic VT60 TVs? Can I use that furniture for any TV? If so, please start a new thread. It is such a booooooring subject. rolleyes.gif

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I've found monetary returns on stands diminish quickly after $700. While I think spending $1700 on a stand is flirting with insanity for those who pull in <$80,000, I guess you could justify it by saying you're buying a $100 cable box stand, a $300 receiver stand, a $200 blu-ray player stand, a $150 gaming console stand, a $100 equalizer stand, a $150 amplifier stand, and a $700 TV stand. Hmm that doesn't sound so bad. And that stand is beautiful. Plus I've always enjoyed flirting with insanity. *Calls best buy*


That's a great explanation for the wife. I was a furniture/woodworking guy long before I was a video/sound guy. I really can't stomach putting cheap particle board furniture in my living room regardless of how much I make or spend on my TV. If you're on a budget, keep it simple, go for quality and don't get bitten by the bug of having to update all the time. I love homemade and repurposed stuff. You can easily spend $1,500 on something and end up with mostly particle board, disposable quality. Some cheaper stuff is actually better

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It is such a booooooring subject. rolleyes.gif

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Is all that furniture sold specifically for the Panasonic VT60 TVs? Can I use that furniture for any TV? If so, please start a new thread. It is such a booooooring subject. rolleyes.gif

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And here I was thinking I was the only one not enjoying it. Can't we talk about something more exciting like the correct way to make scrambled eggs while watching your VT60?

I cannot believe a TV stand conversation went on for a day. If there was an entire forum dedicated to just TV stands they probably would have only lasted a half a day before needing to shut down for no interest. Haha
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And here I was thinking I was the only one not enjoying it. Can't we talk about something more exciting like the correct way to make scrambled eggs while watching your VT60?

I can show you how to make huevos rancheros? tongue.gif
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Can we lay the VT60 down on it's back and use it as a cutting board? We need to make sure this is VT60 relevant. Lol
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Buzz,

Did you check out color = 47?

47 or 48 is where most of us end up.

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Since I can't seem to find this info anywhere I called panasonic "tech support" to find out if the VT60 supports the frame-packed 1080p/30 stereoscopic 3D format like some samsung models and spoke with Kimberly. If it does I'd upgrade my 2 x 5870s to a 780 or the like with post 1.3b HDMI outputs to get the extra 6 FPS. She informed me the VT60 only supports 24 frames per second "across the board" including 2D 720p, 480p, etc. I promptly hung up on her.
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Did you check out color = 47?

47 or 48 is where most of us end up.

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47 was worse than 50. On this particular display, 48 is definitely the sweet spot. RGB separation is a curious thing and it wasn't until the last couple of months that the LS beta testers took full account of the power of the Color control, more appropriately labeled Chroma Gain.

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47 was worse than 50. On this particular display, 48 is definitely the sweet spot. RGB separation is a curious thing and it wasn't until the last couple of months that the LS beta testers took full account of the power of the Color control, more appropriately labeled Chroma Gain.

Are you saying that LS is just starting to understand the color control? BTW, on different models from different manufacturers sometimes it acts as a chroma gain sometimes as a luminance gain and even sometimes as a combination of both.

Also, sticking with the VT60 which is after all just a consumer electronic device, the component tolerance is great enough to negate a single "sweet spot" for all units.


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I indeed found that using Color @ 47 produced the best results on my 55VT60, since I'm using it as a Luminance controller initially before messing with the CMS. My latest calibration using the 10% GCD window patterns and 75%/75% is so far looking good. Using my Colormunki spectro with the latest HCFR fork I achieved the following:

avg gs dE 0.45
avg colors dE 0.62
avg colorchecker dE 0.82 (2.5 highest with blue flower)
avg gamma 2.22

BT.1886ish gamma achieved using 2.4 gamma and only making very tiny changes from 30-90 (max of 3 notches)




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47 was worse than 50. On this particular display, 48 is definitely the sweet spot. RGB separation is a curious thing and it wasn't until the last couple of months that the LS beta testers took full account of the power of the Color control, more appropriately labeled Chroma Gain.

Are you saying that LS is just starting to understand the color control? BTW, on different models from different manufacturers sometimes it acts as a chroma gain sometimes as a luminance gain and even sometimes as a combination of both.

Also, sticking with the VT60 which is after all just a consumer electronic device, the component tolerance is great enough to negate a single "sweet spot" for all units.


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Nope, I'm saying the beta testers have added this check to our workflow as it wasn't (maybe still isn't) published. It wasn't until fairly recently even big name studios just hooked up a Hubble and let 'er go. Accuracy is improving every year - now if they could just come up with a published Gamma standard for everyone to work with.... rolleyes.gif

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Nope, I'm saying the beta testers have added this check to our workflow as it wasn't (maybe still isn't) published. It wasn't until fairly recently even big name studios just hooked up a Hubble and let 'er go. Accuracy is improving every year - now if they could just come up with a published Gamma standard for everyone to work with.... rolleyes.gif

Buzz, you're over your head. Stop digging. smile.gif

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Nope, I'm saying the beta testers have added this check to our workflow as it wasn't (maybe still isn't) published. It wasn't until fairly recently even big name studios just hooked up a Hubble and let 'er go. Accuracy is improving every year - now if they could just come up with a published Gamma standard for everyone to work with.... rolleyes.gif

Buzz, you're over your head. Stop digging. smile.gif

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Just trying to learn what works best on my individual display, Larry.

We all do that, Buzz. Just don't pretend to have engineering/science degrees. smile.gif

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We all do that, Buzz. Just don't pretend to have engineering/science degrees. smile.gif

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Trust me, I won't. Flying 767's over oceans at night is a hell of a lot more fun. biggrin.gif

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I indeed found that using Color @ 47 produced the best results on my 55VT60, since I'm using it as a Luminance controller initially before messing with the CMS. My latest calibration using the 10% GCD window patterns and 75%/75% is so far looking good. Using my Colormunki spectro with the latest HCFR fork I achieved the following:

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avg colorchecker dE 0.82 (2.5 highest with blue flower)
avg gamma 2.22

BT.1886ish gamma achieved using 2.4 gamma and only making very tiny changes from 30-90 (max of 3 notches)




That's a very nice 75/75 gamut with great colorchecker points. Probably as good as a 70000^3 point cube could get you. biggrin.gif

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A completely black scene actually is NOT completely black in my case, and I think other people also mention this as well... Also, why would you have a completely black scene for a long time? (maybe when you do calibration, but then you will definitely don't want that red light there). Worse, you press the menu button or info or volume and it should bring up something so you would know if your TV is broken or not.

It was meant as nothing then a really bad joke. I guess I should have put a tongue.gif after or similar.
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I agree with most of what you just said unless you can afford the best and really want a great, well made good looking piece of furniture to go in the room. The only thing I would add to your comments is make sure it is made well enough to easily hold a 120 lb piece of gold and will withstand some abuse. My initial comments weren't to degrade anyone's TV stand and it's not important that any of it really be made of solid wood. I only pointed it out for anyone else on here that might go out and buy it because they thought it was all solid wood from comments made on here or in their literature. It happens all the time. That particular one may be very well made and hold up for decades and end up being a great deal. That I have know way of knowing without seeing it in person. Again, that wasn't the point.

The fact of the matter is there is total junk furniture made every day from solid wood that will fall apart next week and there is great/sturdy furniture made with plywood, etc. What it all boils down to is the materials it's made of, how it's put together and with what. There are great metal connectors and joinery methods that are sturdy and will last a long time and there are piss poor ones and design methods implemented that I wouldn't set my dogs bowl on top of much less one of these huge TVs. Same goes for furniture you can put together yourself, some is good, some is junk. Apples to apples, solid wood and plywood/veneer will hold up better than particle/fiberboard and unless it's 3/4" bullet proof glass, I would stay away from glass tops for these.

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I agree! I'm a firm believer in you get what you for, especially furniture.
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Can anyone recommend a good coffee maker to go along with my VT60? Kidding, kidding.....

Anyway, just wanted to say this thread has hit a milestone. It now has more pages then the ST60 thread, even though half this thread is about TV stands it is still cool non the less! biggrin.gif

I think I only payed attention to this stat being a former ST60 owner, I think maybe one of the first here and when that TV came out that thread was unstoppable and people were just eating up the ST60. Guess the VT60 is the new ST60, only better.
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I've had my 60VT60 not more than 2 weeks and all of a sudden tonight, it won't turn on. Neither of the two remotes work, nor does the power button on the backside of the TV itself. I've unplugged it and plugged it back in. Power is there, but it just won't turn on. Anyone experience this?
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Trust me, I won't. Flying 767's over oceans at night . biggrin.gif

Are the pilots really flying (the plane) at that point biggrin.gif

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And some of us here helped you fly your aircraft across that water by designing it with all the instrumentation that you needed including the development the inertial guidance system and the GPS satellite system. tongue.gifbiggrin.gif

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And some of us here helped you fly your aircraft across that water by designing it with all the instrumentation that you needed including the development the inertial guidance system and the GPS satellite system. tongue.gifbiggrin.gif

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Trust me, I won't. Flying 767's over oceans at night . biggrin.gif

Are the pilots really flying (the plane) at that point biggrin.gif

My buddy is a captain with World Airways

"Interesting" stories about layovers in the various countries as well eek.gif...

The average is turning on the autopilot somewhere between 1000 and 5000' on climb and turning it off around 1000' on descent. I always hand flew all the way to cruise altitude and disconnected between 2000 and 1000 on the way down. On domestic flights of an hour or less I seldom used the A/P at all including meal flights but that's just me. Those numbers are of course in the visual flight rules environment only for approach and landing. One of the really nice aspects of the 767 is that it has what is called Category IIIB ability which basically means we could touch down without having visual contact with the runway on properly equipped air fields. Then, as the nose lowered to the runway surface, we could pick up the runway centerline lights but still continued the roll out with the A/P on. It's an awesome experience only found in heavy fog and 0 wind conditions. Zurich in the early morning is a prime example.

I couldn't imagine a more fun way to earn a living. Your World buddy is right. Okay, maybe porn star...... tongue.gif

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And some of us here helped you fly your aircraft across that water by designing it with all the instrumentation that you needed including the development the inertial guidance system and the GPS satellite system. tongue.gifbiggrin.gif

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Sounds like tons of fun, Larry. BTW, we somehow made it for decades without the tech. wink.gif

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