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Old 01-27-2014, 10:21 AM
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Any idea where I could still find a TC-P60VT60? Outside of paying double from a small reseller...

Thanks!

If you can deal with some warts, Amazon has a few returns in the warehouse. Best Buy has them listed, but they have to be within your region. You can't have them shipped to you, or to a local store, unless you're within 200 miles of where it currently sits.. or something to that extent.
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Just to share this PM in case others had the same concerns as Bill did. Cheers.

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Today at 12:01 pm
In your reply you posted:

"I think your posts over the past few months speak (actually volumes) for themselves so I will refrain from further comment. I am glad you "seem" to be enjoying your display now and I hope nursing school is going well. "

Ok, don't get me wrong here, but that's a bit creepy. It's one thing to argue the merits of an argument. It's another thing to dredge back through the comments and use personal info as a sort of piling on tactic.

Don't get me wrong, I've no dog in this fight, just that your reply seems a bit over the line.

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Bill - if you've been following the thread since its start you would know he is working on a nursing degree, something we've actually discussed during a few posts among other aspects of his personal life. This thread has never diverted from its main topic since its start smile.gif

If I can't tell someone that I hope their studies are going well this semester as the work towards their college degree continues something is wrong with what you and what you perceive as creepy and over the top. I think its great he is in school and focused on a degree that once he graduates should guarantee him a job which is a rarity for most kids coming out of college these days. In fact as a former hospital administrator one of the largest academic medical center's in the U.S. I have always said that if I lost my current job I would return to school and get a nursing degree. You work hard, but employment is not an issue if you do a good job. On top of that I work at a large university that has a heck of nursing program. Forgive me if a take interest in his progress, but maybe you understand the post a little better now.

I am not fighting, a lot of us go way back on our discussions about all of this, I respect him for his passion (and OCD) and hopefully I have helped him at least once. Most of us have disagreed at one time or another, but in the end we almost always come to the aid of a member in need (one unnamed exception comes to mind who frequents the Pioneer threads).

You seem to be the one who jumped over the top on this one. I am going back to enjoying my birthday, always good to get a year older - especially at my age. Steve

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Given the expense of a VT60 it comes across as plainly ridiculous to gripe about payTV. Sure, it's overpriced, but I'd expect more of that sort of whinging in a westinghouse or vizio thread... biggrin.gif

But hey, whatever.

Back to the switching question, does your cable box allow for fixing the output resolution? It's often useful to select a fixed output resolution so the TV (any TV, not just a VT60) can avoid having to re-sync with the new resolution. So if you're going between a 480i SD channel and a 1080i HD channel the TV won't have to figure it out. I've found it useful to set mine to always output at 1080i. There is the potential for a few rare situations where an external tuner might not do as decent a job of upscaling content as the one built into the TV. But for most programming, boxes and TVs it's unlikely to matter.

Did I sound like I was whining?

Here's some food for thought: according to forbes the average cost of cable tv in 2011 was $86/mo (http://www.forbes.com/sites/amadoudiallo/2013/10/14/cable-tv-price-hikes-unsustainable/). That figure is expected to rise to $123/mo by 2015. Imagine how many VT60s you could afford if you weren't paying that extra 100 dollars per month? Conversely, as I own a VT60 now I feel no need to feed it an inferior picture. Bluray, xbox, YouTube and netflix all provide better picture and a deeper breadth of entertainment options than television stations which hack out content and constantly interrupt programs for commercial breaks.
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I never owned a Kuro to compare but these VT60 panasonics rock! With power consumption constraints there can be issues with brightness and your viewing enjoyment with varying content can be a crapshoot. But with choice blu ray and even satellite content from such as HBO you can have a film like experience that just immerses you in the movie. I think we VT60 owners will move through a process of discovery that will bring us to a place of enjoyment and contentment. Panasonic has put a heck of a lot of effort into these sets and the culmination of this effort continues to unfold.
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I really find it interesting how bright my VT60 has become...I had read people thinking that the TV progressively gets brighter and I now agree with it. I'm over 300 hrs now...and am VERY happy with it. smile.gif
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Any idea where I could still find a TC-P60VT60? Outside of paying double from a small reseller...

Thanks!

BestBuy has the 60zt60 in stock (at least for me in MD) for $2500 plus tax.
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Any idea where I could still find a TC-P60VT60? Outside of paying double from a small reseller...

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B&H Photo still shows in stock:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/907630-REG/panasonic_tc_p60vt60_60_1080p_3d.html

My 55VT60 arrives today from them. That size is now out of stock. They also show the 65VT60 in stock. Prices are not exceptional, but service is good and shipping is included.

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Given the expense of a VT60 it comes across as plainly ridiculous to gripe about payTV. Sure, it's overpriced, but I'd expect more of that sort of whinging in a westinghouse or vizio thread... biggrin.gif

But hey, whatever.

Back to the switching question, does your cable box allow for fixing the output resolution? It's often useful to select a fixed output resolution so the TV (any TV, not just a VT60) can avoid having to re-sync with the new resolution. So if you're going between a 480i SD channel and a 1080i HD channel the TV won't have to figure it out. I've found it useful to set mine to always output at 1080i. There is the potential for a few rare situations where an external tuner might not do as decent a job of upscaling content as the one built into the TV. But for most programming, boxes and TVs it's unlikely to matter.

Did I sound like I was whining?

Here's some food for thought...

Whinge not whine. Reading... it's tricky like that.

Congrats on your cord-cutting. I doubt this is the thread on which to shout from that soapbox.
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Congrats on making the big decision. I am envious because I still haven't been able to make mine. Keep us posted on what TV you end up with....I'm interested to know what you decide to do.

Hey Code...I'm posting at the very real risk of the plasma snobs coming down on me tongue.gif ...but I will do so since you asked...I went to Best Buy again and spent a few hours looking at the Sammy 8500 and since I wasn't so sure about even it in my relatively bright room and didn't want to do go through another cycle of deliver and send back so I decided to get a 65 inch F7100 LED set...it was delivered about a week ago and I really like it...no, I don't have it in super bright mode but it does have plenty of headroom of course and plenty of settings that allow me to get the picture I want for what I'm watching at the time...it also has modes that use micro dimming to get decent blacks and I don't have any super noticeable issues with flashlighting or clouding...and hockey is really nice...I can make the ice practically glow!biggrin.gif
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+1 thumbs up for old school OTA.

By the way Sage, you might be satisfied to know that you successfully talked me out of a soundbar. Ended up with the pioneer bookshelf speakers and will build a proper system from there.

Nice!

I think you made a great decision! My uncle bought a set of those Andrew Jones speakers and I've been looking forward to listening to them!

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So would I be switching from THX bright room to Cinema? I didn't see any other Cnet settings..Thanks
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Ouch, a $700 bump from BB's price! Thanks for looking though. I'll have to scour BB's system first to find one laying around...$2500 for this TV is brutal.
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B&H Photo still shows in stock:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/907630-REG/panasonic_tc_p60vt60_60_1080p_3d.html

My 55VT60 arrives today from them. That size is now out of stock. They also show the 65VT60 in stock. Prices are not exceptional, but service is good and shipping is included.
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I recently moved into a new house and have my vt60 in a make shift mancave, the only problem is the walls are painted hot pink since it was formally a child's room eek.gif . Even at night I can clearly see the reflections off the wall hitting the tv, reducing contrast ratio/black level. Would a flat black or similar paint finish really improve my viewing experience over this super reflective paint I currently have?

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So would I be switching from THX bright room to Cinema? I didn't see any other Cnet settings..Thanks

Enter these(Cnet's) settings: http://forums.cnet.com/7723-19410_102-592352/panasonic-tc-p60vt60-picture-settings/ in the Cinema mode. Cinema will then be Cnets's settings. Just change the color temp from Warm 2 to Warm 1 if you like whiter whites. You can then flip back and forth between THX Bright and Cinema(Cnet) and see which you prefer.
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Thanks for the help..Appreciate it..
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Hey Code...I'm posting at the very real risk of the plasma snobs coming down on me tongue.gif ...but I will do so since you asked...I went to Best Buy again and spent a few hours looking at the Sammy 8500 and since I wasn't so sure about even it in my relatively bright room and didn't want to do go through another cycle of deliver and send back so I decided to get a 65 inch F7100 LED set...it was delivered about a week ago and I really like it...no, I don't have it in super bright mode but it does have plenty of headroom of course and plenty of settings that allow me to get the picture I want for what I'm watching at the time...it also has modes that use micro dimming to get decent blacks and I don't have any super noticeable issues with flashlighting or clouding...and hockey is really nice...I can make the ice practically glow!biggrin.gif
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The following was obtained with PB high, contrast 85, 6% size 22% APL windows. Before calibration was stock THX Cinema. The TV was located in a bright living room, so I used a custom gamma that will bring out shadow detail a bit. I took readings in 5% increments.

My procedure to eliminate the white crush caused by panel brightness high is posted on the THX forum. 60VT60Pro1brightroom-PBhigh.pdf 1358k .pdf file
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Errr.... Which THX forum is that, Chad?

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The following was obtained with PB high, contrast 85, 6% size 22% APL windows. Before calibration was stock THX Cinema. The TV was located in a bright living room, so I used a custom gamma that will bring out shadow detail a bit. I took readings in 5% increments.

My procedure to eliminate the white crush caused by panel brightness high is posted on the THX forum. 60VT60Pro1brightroom-PBhigh.pdf 1358k .pdf file


Nice work Chad!
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I use the built in tuner-- why not? Cable and iptv are costly, flood your home with advertising despite being a paid service and the picture quality is mediocre at best. OTA is free, making the ads justifiable and the picture quality is superb assuming you can pull channels in your area.

Wow. I'm surprised people still pay money to have advertising piped into their homes! wink.gif

Couldn't agree more!!! I'm in the process of installing an antenna on the roof.

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I think if someone is not happy with a VT60, nothing will make you happy at that point or you really don't care as much about pq then you think you do.

This is seriously a TV that you buy and stop looking at anything else. You stop worrying if a certain movie looks bad or if the color is off in 1 thing. If that happens with your VT60 it will happen 50x worse with almost any other TV out right now. You stop feeling the need to always play with the settings because you think you can get a better picture. You just find 1 you like and leave it unless you are going pro cal. Your uncalibrated picture is still looking better then most LED's even calibrated. If you think you play with your settings the VT60, with an LED you will probably play with the settings so much you will never actually watch the TV. Your goal would probably be to get your TV to look like your VT60 and you will find out that is impossible.

The first minute you get an LED in your home and walk to the side you will seriously start to cry. The moment you realize you will never be able to watch a movie in the dark on your LED because you will only be able to look at the terrible screen issues and never pay attention the actual film you will want to crawl up into a ball of regret.

I have been there, done that and now owning the VT60 I cannot believe people actually complain about this TV. Go hang out in a Vizio thread or even a Samsung LED thread and see how happy you think you will be. Take a look at the pictures posted in those threads. I promise you that you will come running back here and realize how lucky you are to own a VT60 or a Zt60 or even an F8500 or I would even extend that down to an ST60.

Wow, I didn't know how I felt until I read your post. Thanks, what a relief.
I do agree with the side view of an LED. Like you, been there done that.

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The following was obtained with PB high, contrast 85, 6% size 22% APL windows. Before calibration was stock THX Cinema. The TV was located in a bright living room, so I used a custom gamma that will bring out shadow detail a bit. I took readings in 5% increments.

My procedure to eliminate the white crush caused by panel brightness high is posted on the THX forum. 60VT60Pro1brightroom-PBhigh.pdf 1358k .pdf file

those are awesome results!

I've been having this idea lately that panel bright low could offer some benefit to us that like to watch at lower brightness levels in blacked out rooms at times. Do you think that LOW could be effectively calibrated as well and possibly offer deeper blacks (on both vt50 and vt60) and less flicker for watching on 24p modes? I'm hoping it can get to about 22ftl with those benefits if so.
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I've owned the 55 inch VT60 for roughly 6 weeks now.

Last week after a few off and on hours of playing Dead Rising 3 I noticed the panel was suffering from image retention. It was a health gauge in the top left corner of the screen. Didn't notice this until I started watching a movie. I immediately checked and the panel had 146 hours of use in it. I played the previous weekend with no issues. Also I used the "slides" dvd to get the first 100 hours onto the panel. I understand slides doesn't prevent anything. I've put about 30 additional hours on the panel since and it's still there granted not as visible. I have a feeling I'm going to be the first person with actual burn in on this TV and that's very upsetting. This is my 4th Panny plasma since buying my first in 2007 and I never had a problem until now.

Is it possible that the remaining blurred IR will never go away?

I also tried the screen wipe for a few hours which I believe helped it to a point.

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The first 300 hours or so, our phosphors are at their brightest, so care is needed to prevent IR from occurring. I'm sure if you discontinue that game and watch other content it will go away. Hopefully it wasn't in a torch mode.
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The following was obtained with PB high, contrast 85, 6% size 22% APL windows. Before calibration was stock THX Cinema. The TV was located in a bright living room, so I used a custom gamma that will bring out shadow detail a bit. I took readings in 5% increments.

My procedure to eliminate the white crush caused by panel brightness high is posted on the THX forum. 60VT60Pro1brightroom-PBhigh.pdf 1358k .pdf file

I scheduled a calibration appointment with you today for March, can't wait!
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Whinge not whine. Reading... it's tricky like that.

Congrats on your cord-cutting. I doubt this is the thread on which to shout from that soapbox.

Did I sound like I was whinging?

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I recently moved into a new house and have my vt60 in a make shift mancave, the only problem is the walls are painted hot pink since it was formally a child's room eek.gif . Even at night I can clearly see the reflections off the wall hitting the tv, reducing contrast ratio/black level. Would a flat black or similar paint finish really improve my viewing experience over this super reflective paint I currently have?

My last man cave had two walls painted in (and I'm not joking about this) man cave grey. It's almost a dark wet concrete color-- Valspar. A little industrial, maybe, but I kept the doors, trim and two walls in a nice white and furnished the room with a lot of dark wood and some really awesome floor length curtains I got for a steal at target. Anyway, my man-cave TV sat in front of this painted wall and I honestly loved it. Between my omnimount moda echo stand and the dark wall the picture, with lights out, would float ever so slightly in front of the wall and was very cinematic. With my small Cambridge system cranked it really was my favorite way to enjoy movies-- even if the display wasn't the greatest (S30).

When I get the VT to it's new (and hopefully semi-permanent) home I'll have to get some pics up of my installation.

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