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There may not be a simple answer but...

1) For games, TV and even movies on an HTPC I should have my VT60 set to color space of standard (16-235) correct?

2) Anyone with an nvidia card + XBMC? From what I understand XBMC is full RGB so I can set the VT60 and nvidia card to match with 0-255 but aren't movie sources 16-235?
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I don't know much about ARC but could me using HDMI 2 input on the VT60 cause audio sync issues? My current setup is Oppo 103 HDMI 1 - VT60 HDMI 2. Then 103 HDMI 2 - AVR with AVR out to HDMI 1 on VT60.
For bluray I have the Oppo in 'Split AV' mode with picture going direct and HDMI 2 just doing the audio, I am however getting a lot of lip sync issues. When running 1 cable through AVR it's not existent. I need to run the split AV as my AVR doesn't pass through 3D.

Just wondering if I should switch my Oppo HDMI1 to HDMI 1 on VT60 and see if that makes a difference.

I don't know if this will help but I had the same issues with my onkyo 805 and panny 500. I had hdmi 1 to tv and hdmi 2(audio only) to the 805. I had to turn the hdmi monitor out setting to off on my 805 to stop lip sync issues, etc.
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I live alone, so unless I have a ghost, I don't see how it could have happened...

You may want to check for ghosts, they love to play tricks. biggrin.gif

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I was messing with Home screen settings today. and have a couple of questions

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can you remove the home screen collection icon on the bottom left?

Can you change the configuration of the icon/apps? IE input on top and only 4 icons/apps across the bottom?

Can you view the downloadable home screen collections on the pc instead of the tv? seems it would be much quicker to browse the collections on the pc before going to choose them on the tv.

1. No, unfortunately.
2. Cycle thru available Home screen layouts. Put NetFlix, Amazon Prime and Accu-Weather in three boxes on the Home Screen itself.
3. Not sure but I doubt it. Its actually not that inefficient to view them on the TV itself.
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Ok so what am I doing wrong, I had a VT50 and bought Panasonic rechargeable 3D glasses that worked fine on the VT50. I can not seem to get then3D glasses that came with the VT60 to sync up with the VT60.
Did you ever get this figured out? You said your glasses that came with your VT60 wouldn't sinc up with your VT60, did you mean they wouldn't sinc up with the VT50? My glasses that came with my VT60 sinc right up with my VT60 but last night I tried to sinc them to my UT50 during the superbowl so the little girls could watch a 3d movie while the rest of us watched the game but they refused to sinc up. I wonder if there's something that has to be done to get them to sinc with 2012 Panasonics, or if they won't work with them at all, but I don't see why they wouldn't. My Samsung 5100 glasses sinc with either tv, though it tends to take a while to sinc them.
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Ok I figured it out. The settings were not reset to default. The "problem" was that I configured the settings while I had a video playing from an USB stick and they saved to that specific "mode". Now I'm going to copy the settings to all the other inputs.

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I am looking at getting the following glasses:

http://www.dimensionaloptics.com/Product.aspx?l=00010001000100090000&p=A1S01275

Does anybody have these, the reviews are excellent.
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I am looking at getting the following glasses:

http://www.dimensionaloptics.com/Product.aspx?l=00010001000100090000&p=A1S01275

Does anybody have these, the reviews are excellent.

Those are expensive. Just as much $ as the Panasonic glasses. Why not get the Samsung ones for $19? They get great reviews on Amazon.
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I used the CNet calibrations on my VT60 and the picture looks good, but I am missing detail. I have the VT60 in my living room for the now since my man cave is not complete. I will have to re-calibrate when I get it up to the cave with proper light control. It was nice to watch the Superbowl on my new 60 inch screen. My 42 inch Panasonic Plasma (circa 2006) is in the same room and it has better detail on faces or threads on clothing than my VT60. I am also using an antenna for now to receive the normal broadcast channels. When I press the Info button, I see the 720p or 1080i for the different channels so I think all is good with the reception. I just don't see the detail that I expected. Suggestions anyone?
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Some of the reviews on Amazon claims it's a bit tricky to get them to work. So I bought two pairs at BB and they priced matched Amazon's at $52.99. They were selling at BB for $79.

Also curious why the glasses in the box are not the rechargeable kind...weird.

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Did you ever get this figured out? You said your glasses that came with your VT60 wouldn't sinc up with your VT60, did you mean they wouldn't sinc up with the VT50? My glasses that came with my VT60 sinc right up with my VT60 but last night I tried to sinc them to my UT50 during the superbowl so the little girls could watch a 3d movie while the rest of us watched the game but they refused to sinc up. I wonder if there's something that has to be done to get them to sinc with 2012 Panasonics, or if they won't work with them at all, but I don't see why they wouldn't. My Samsung 5100 glasses sinc with either tv, though it tends to take a while to sinc them.

I can not get the glasses that came with my VT60 to sync with the VT60, I need to go try my other VT60 and make sure it is not a TV thing.

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I went over to a friends house last night for the Super Bowl. My friend had a 65" LED as his downstairs TV and a giant Vizio 80" LED upstairs in his movie room. Amazing how 80" just dwarfs the 65" that I'm so proud of. Of course, all I'm doing while the game is on is comparing PQ between my VT60 and his. The unfortunate thing is that the source is different (him Comcast, me DirecTV) so the HD quality is not the same so its tough to direct compare. I couldn't read the names on the jerseys from afar because the detail loss...but close ups of players were clear. Again, I blame this more on the Xfinity feed than anything. The screen was bright of course, the colors weren't perfect (no calibration), and there was the normal lack fo screen detail during movement that all LEDs have...but the black levels were great and once you look at the size impact of the TV, I ened up kind of being impressed with a Vizio. Does it have even close to the PQ of my VT60...No, of course it doesnt. Would I own one? Probably not. But I had in my mind that Vizio was just plain crap...but all and all, it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'm interested in seeing what this year's Vizios are like (that you guys have been talking about).

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I went over to a friends house last night for the Super Bowl. My friend had a 65" LED as his downstairs TV and a giant Vizio 80" LED upstairs in his movie room. Amazing how 80" just dwarfs the 65" that I'm so proud of. Of course, all I'm doing while the game is on is comparing PQ between my VT60 and his. The unfortunate thing is that the source is different (him Comcast, me DirecTV) so the HD quality is not the same so its tough to direct compare. I couldn't read the names on the jerseys from afar because the detail loss...but close ups of players were clear. Again, I blame this more on the Xfinity feed than anything. The screen was bright of course, the colors weren't perfect (no calibration), and there was the normal lack fo screen detail during movement that all LEDs have...but the black levels were great and once you look at the size impact of the TV, I ened up kind of being impressed with a Vizio. Does it have even close to the PQ of my VT60...No, of course it doesnt. Would I own one? Probably not. But I had in my mind that Vizio was just plain crap...but all and all, it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'm interested in seeing what this year's Vizios are like (that you guys have been talking about).

I can't wait to start dodging the stones that will be thrown at me for this post....smile.gif

I really wish Panasonic had made a 70 for a big room but may have been cost prohibitive with plasma. I'm a firm believer that once you get to 80", you have the money and room for a projector.

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I went over to a friends house last night for the Super Bowl. My friend had a 65" LED as his downstairs TV and a giant Vizio 80" LED upstairs in his movie room. Amazing how 80" just dwarfs the 65" that I'm so proud of. Of course, all I'm doing while the game is on is comparing PQ between my VT60 and his. The unfortunate thing is that the source is different (him Comcast, me DirecTV) so the HD quality is not the same so its tough to direct compare. I couldn't read the names on the jerseys from afar because the detail loss...but close ups of players were clear. Again, I blame this more on the Xfinity feed than anything. The screen was bright of course, the colors weren't perfect (no calibration), and there was the normal lack fo screen detail during movement that all LEDs have...but the black levels were great and once you look at the size impact of the TV, I ened up kind of being impressed with a Vizio. Does it have even close to the PQ of my VT60...No, of course it doesnt. Would I own one? Probably not. But I had in my mind that Vizio was just plain crap...but all and all, it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'm interested in seeing what this year's Vizios are like (that you guys have been talking about).

I can't wait to start dodging the stones that will be thrown at me for this post....smile.gif
It was the size that I am sure was the most impressive thing about that TV. I would love an 80" TV and would be willing to sacrifice pq for it but they are not priced at what I want to spend on a TV.

If you had you plasma side by side with it you would see the a huge different on contrast and saturation on colors, as well as better motion handling all around. But again, there really is nothing on a 65" TV that would probably pull you away from watching on the 80". It is just another level of immersion and if plasma came in 80 inches they would be that much better then the Vizio.

Also, black levels always look great on an LED with the lights on, turn off those lights and you will be thinking twice about those black levels.

2014 Vizio's should be much better then what we have seen from them so far and better then most of the other edge lit TV's as well.
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Those are expensive. Just as much $ as the Panasonic glasses. Why not get the Samsung ones for $19? They get great reviews on Amazon.

I was looking at those as well, just trying to determine if the 3active ones are better overall for comfort, operation, etc.
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I went over to a friends house last night for the Super Bowl. My friend had a 65" LED as his downstairs TV and a giant Vizio 80" LED upstairs in his movie room. Amazing how 80" just dwarfs the 65" that I'm so proud of. Of course, all I'm doing while the game is on is comparing PQ between my VT60 and his. The unfortunate thing is that the source is different (him Comcast, me DirecTV) so the HD quality is not the same so its tough to direct compare. I couldn't read the names on the jerseys from afar because the detail loss...but close ups of players were clear. Again, I blame this more on the Xfinity feed than anything. The screen was bright of course, the colors weren't perfect (no calibration), and there was the normal lack fo screen detail during movement that all LEDs have...but the black levels were great and once you look at the size impact of the TV, I ened up kind of being impressed with a Vizio. Does it have even close to the PQ of my VT60...No, of course it doesnt. Would I own one? Probably not. But I had in my mind that Vizio was just plain crap...but all and all, it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'm interested in seeing what this year's Vizios are like (that you guys have been talking about).

I can't wait to start dodging the stones that will be thrown at me for this post....smile.gif

Newer Vizios have drastically improved and calibrated fairly well actually. Their new 4K full array model coming out this year will be very interesting. With that said, a calibrated VT60 is still in a different league.

I too would really like a large 75"-80" display, but the picture quality drop off in comparison to the 65" VT60 is just not worth it to me. I am curious how these new 4K LEDs do perform this year, however. A lot of them are coming.


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I used the CNet calibrations on my VT60 and the picture looks good, but I am missing detail. I have the VT60 in my living room for the now since my man cave is not complete. I will have to re-calibrate when I get it up to the cave with proper light control. It was nice to watch the Superbowl on my new 60 inch screen. My 42 inch Panasonic Plasma (circa 2006) is in the same room and it has better detail on faces or threads on clothing than my VT60. I am also using an antenna for now to receive the normal broadcast channels. When I press the Info button, I see the 720p or 1080i for the different channels so I think all is good with the reception. I just don't see the detail that I expected. Suggestions anyone?

I am converting to OTA. Do you notice any audio sync issues when you watch off the antenna?

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I went over to a friends house last night for the Super Bowl. My friend had a 65" LED as his downstairs TV and a giant Vizio 80" LED upstairs in his movie room. Amazing how 80" just dwarfs the 65" that I'm so proud of. Of course, all I'm doing while the game is on is comparing PQ between my VT60 and his. The unfortunate thing is that the source is different (him Comcast, me DirecTV) so the HD quality is not the same so its tough to direct compare. I couldn't read the names on the jerseys from afar because the detail loss...but close ups of players were clear. Again, I blame this more on the Xfinity feed than anything. The screen was bright of course, the colors weren't perfect (no calibration), and there was the normal lack fo screen detail during movement that all LEDs have...but the black levels were great and once you look at the size impact of the TV, I ened up kind of being impressed with a Vizio. Does it have even close to the PQ of my VT60...No, of course it doesnt. Would I own one? Probably not. But I had in my mind that Vizio was just plain crap...but all and all, it wasn't as bad as I thought. I'm interested in seeing what this year's Vizios are like (that you guys have been talking about).

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As far as the bargain brands go, Vizio is the best in my opinion. I've bought a couple Vizios as gifts for family members and was blown away at what they give you for the money. Good PQ, good UI, great build quality. They're what I always recommend to people on a tight budget.

That said, my new 65VT60 is on its way to mw right now biggrin.gif
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As far as the bargain brands go, Vizio is the best in my opinion. I've bought a couple Vizios as gifts for family members and was blown away at what they give you for the money. Good PQ, good UI, great build quality. They're what I always recommend to people on a tight budget.

That said, my new 65VT60 is on its way to mw right now biggrin.gif

I would agree. I know I'll get stoned for this but if I had to put a VT60 side by side with a similar sized Vizio and figured in the price difference, I'd say the VT60 wasn't worth the increase. We like to rave about our VTs on here but for someone one a tight budget, a comparable Vizio is a no-brainer...the subjective difference just isn't equal to the price delta.

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I am converting to OTA. Do you notice any audio sync issues when you watch off the antenna?

No - I have not noticed any audio sync problems. I have not used OTA very much yet so I don't know about the typical problems. For the few days, I have been using it, when there seems to be a problem, I fire up my old plasma / cable box that is in the same room to see if that system has a problem.
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I would agree. I know I'll get stoned for this but if I had to put a VT60 side by side with a similar sized Vizio and figured in the price difference, I'd say the VT60 wasn't worth the increase. We like to rave about our VTs on here but for someone one a tight budget, a comparable Vizio is a no-brainer...the subjective difference just isn't equal to the price delta.

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I would say most people here know why we get our VT60, so let's leave it at that smile.gif
To me, the viewing angle and uniformity is what drives me to plasma (and the fact that when I first bought my 55" plasma 8 years ago, LCD does not even come close to that size). Some of the really good LCD that I see in Frys or BB do look impressive though, but those are also not cheap. Considered that I got a great deal in Amazon ($1600 with some rebate), I have no regret. I am amazed by the black and pop I got. I really hope it can last for another 7-8 years when FALD or OLED becomes mature and within $2000.
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I took down my 50" Pioneer FHD1 after 25,000 hours. It's been getting noticeably darker over the years, and dark movies like Gangster Squad (2013) were pretty much unwatchable. I had been considering, for a year now, whether to replace it or just wait until something LED-ish came along with decent colour/black-levels. But as I suggested, watching Gangster Squad the other day threw me over the edge and that was that.

Got a Panasonic TCP60VT60 to replace it. Gangster Squad (2013) on the out of the box "THX Bright Room" was watchable again.

Screen reflections are much more noticeable. (aka reflectivity/screen glare)
I considered a ZT, but given the various reviews I didn't think it was worth the extra thousand dollars. The ZT's "Studio Master Panel" (rumored to cut out most of the ambient light glare) might have been worth a few extra hundred to me. I don't know.

Something I wasn't expecting with a plasma was although horizontally the colours/brightness doesn't change much, vertically it's much darker. I have my plasma mounted within a few feet of the floor, and often stand close to it -- and with the FHD1 the image was still quite clear when I was looking down at it. Now I have to be sitting with the plasma vertical center line at eye level or the colours/brightness are wrong/dim.

I'm thinking of putting black tape of some sort over the silver edge. Don't think I want to use electrical tape, but I can't think immediately of anything else suitable.

I used the SillySally first settings for my cable hdmi input, which seemed better than any of the out of the box settings. Not remotely perfect though, but should do me until I get a decent THX Calibration in a few months.

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Oh the TCP60VT60 is my first 3D screen. Watched Men In Black 3 3D and Iron Man 3 3D which I had laying around.
Can't say I'm impressed.
I really dislike the stepped z-axis (each object either exactly beside, or multiples of 2 feet behind).

I've ordered a copy of Avatar 3D, which should settle the 3D issue for me.

I remember watching a 3D demo disk (not a movie, some cartoon to show off their 3D at its best) in a BestBuy a couple years ago, might have been a Samsung with active 3D glasses and was impressed. It was obviously superior to every other 3D technology shown in the store.

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There is nothing wrong with your TV other than incorrect settings. See page 16 of your WOW manual and properly set the brightness control value. Forget what anyone else says that it should be. All these sets are a bit different from one another.

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Thanks for your input and no disrespect but how do you know it's just do to settings? That line I have on the set is worrisome that the set just wasn't properly pieces together. It is an October build which was some of the last they built so maybe they got lazy towards the end. Also maybe it's like the last of the KUROS when they weren't set properly at the factory idk if the same things are done with all plasma but maybe it was set wrong, not likely but a possibility.
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So are the micro fractures on the ZT series just happening randomly or only when the back is taken off for fan fix?
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I don't know if this will help but I had the same issues with my onkyo 805 and panny 500. I had hdmi 1 to tv and hdmi 2(audio only) to the 805. I had to turn the hdmi monitor out setting to off on my 805 to stop lip sync issues, etc.
Thanks for the tip! I do have HDMI monitor out so I'll try turn it off and see if it fixes it!
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So are the micro fractures on the ZT series just happening randomly or only when the back is taken off for fan fix?

Wrong thread dude. Why is it when you decide to post something it is usually negative in nature.
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So are the micro fractures on the ZT series just happening randomly or only when the back is taken off for fan fix?
That's a good question in the wrong thread. I think that the count is at five for back removal problems. I don't know how many others have had the problem without the back being removed.
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Just curious because Pauls still has some and Amazon may take my vt60 back. That's why I asked. So I don't want to get rid of something that does fracture and get something that does.
Here's something positive...the TV is awesome. Not perfect but great. Hoping my issues are just settings issues.
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