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Old 02-17-2014, 07:11 AM
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just watched All is Lost last night. Good flick, but boy was it one of the biggest color banding torture tests I've seen.

Same thing. I thought my set was broken. Whole movie is pretty much two-color (cyan and pink) face of Bob Redford and pale, pale overcast days. Scenes inside of the boat were much better (during the night only though)

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Oh, so then you agree that the blacks do stink on the VT60. biggrin.gif

Don't put words in people's mouth. Especially since in this case, I completely disagree with you. I am completely satisfied with my TV.
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Why do you think that "Auto" setting for Pixel Orbiter means it is "technically off"?
If you put in on auto you will see your picture will not move. When you turn the orbiter on you can see when your picture actually shifts. If auto meant on then what would on mean? You have to think, the TV is not smart smart enough to know hey if I am on auto, I will be able to see IR building up and only at that point I will shift the picture. It is either on or off and I have yet to see anyone say anything different about auto meaning off. You should also be able to see the difference with IR build up between the 2. I was getting IR with it on auto and not with it on I get nothing.

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Don't put words in people's mouth. Especially since in this case, I completely disagree with you. I am completely satisfied with my TV.
I was joking. I think most people here get that. wink.gif
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Just chiming in with another Amazon open-box failure...

Ordered 60" VT60, Amazon Warehouse listed as "Very Good", everything pristine, original packaging, $1970...

Shipped via CEVA originating from Spartanburg, SC (an Amazon warehouse).

CEVA finally came (some delays), got the tv in the house, packaging was original and intact.

Removed the thin foam cover from the screen, turned on the flash light, instantly showed huge fractures in the glass, right side of screen.

I didn't need to see any more, refused delivery, helped driver load back on truck (yes, 1 guy with a truck full of tv's).

VERY dissapointing so beware of Amazon Warehouse and/or CEVA. IMHO I suspect Amazon of shipping another bad tv which (to me) is inconceivable/unforgiveable that anyone could be that incompetent but I really wonder if Amazon does anything other than inspecting the packaging (jacking up the price) then shipping back out.
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Watched Das Boot last night and during the above water panning scenes I noticed quite a bit of pronounced dirty screen effect on my 65VT60. Anyone else that has watched this see the same thing? Hopefully it was just the movie as otherwise I haven't noticed too much other DSE.
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I've been using pixel orbitor for a lot of cable tv watching. Especially for those channels with those trouble some logos. So far no ir to speak of as of yet. I watch a lot of Olympics too. My panel is pretty young though too aprox 200 ish hours.
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Just chiming in with another Amazon open-box failure...

Ordered 60" VT60, Amazon Warehouse listed as "Very Good", everything pristine, original packaging, $1970...

Shipped via CEVA originating from Spartanburg, SC (an Amazon warehouse).

CEVA finally came (some delays), got the tv in the house, packaging was original and intact.

Removed the thin foam cover from the screen, turned on the flash light, instantly showed huge fractures in the glass, right side of screen.

I didn't need to see any more, refused delivery, helped driver load back on truck (yes, 1 guy with a truck full of tv's).

VERY dissapointing so beware of Amazon Warehouse and/or CEVA. IMHO I suspect Amazon of shipping another bad tv which (to me) is inconceivable/unforgiveable that anyone could be that incompetent but I really wonder if Amazon does anything other than inspecting the packaging (jacking up the price) then shipping back out.
I have received two P65VT60 TVs with cracked screens from Amazon. One was supposed to be new in stock. When I received the first TV, the bezel had three deep cuts in it and the screen was cracked. Only one guy from Pilot tried to deliver it. I had to help him. When I went to the truck the power cord for the TV was hanging out the bottom of the box. This was supposed to be a new never opened TV from Amazon. Yea right! The second one I purchased from Amazon warehouse. I had gotten a really really sweet deal on it. Two guys from CEVA delivered this one. Opened it up and it had a cracked screen also. It did not even power up. Very disappointed with the handling of these TVs from Amazon. On top of that Amazon no longer wants to honor a % off deal I had received because of the inconvenience. So I am done trying to find one of these TVs. Just will go with an Ultra HD TV sometime later in the year.
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Still (after 300hrs) seeing a lot of DFC or phosphor trails or blurring or whatever it's called. I don't care what the technical explanation is, but these tv's are praised for their motion and all I see it faces of people turning into a blurring mess when moving or panning. I never ever saw this on my P50V10, and don't think it's as bad on my (bedroom) P42ST30. No idea what's going on here.
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Still (after 300hrs) seeing a lot of DFC or phosphor trails or blurring or whatever it's called. I don't care what the technical explanation is, but these tv's are praised for their motion and all I see it faces of people turning into a blurring mess when moving or panning. I never ever saw this on my P50V10, and don't think it's as bad on my (bedroom) P42ST30. No idea what's going on here.

Is this happening at 96hz?


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yes, at 24p, 50hz and 60hz. varies a bit from source to source but it is bugging me like hell. even my wife notices it, and keeps saying 'why did you sell the old plasma? we should have bought that led etc".
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yes, at 24p, 50hz and 60hz. varies a bit from source to source but it is bugging me like hell. even my wife notices it, and keeps saying 'why did you sell the old plasma? we should have bought that led etc".

96hz does suffer from false contouring which almost produces a slight rainbow effect around objects in motion sometimes, but 60hz should be clean (aside from more judder because of the 3:2 pulldown).


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Watched Das Boot last night and during the above water panning scenes I noticed quite a bit of pronounced dirty screen effect on my 65VT60. Anyone else that has watched this see the same thing? Hopefully it was just the movie as otherwise I haven't noticed too much other DSE.
One movie is not the most viable way to check for DSE. Have you seen it on any other content? That said, these sets are known to have it...my ZT does, specifically on horizontal scans.
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I was joking. I think most people here get that. wink.gif
I'm going to wager that not everyone participating in the thread currently has closely followed the saga to which you allude. wink.gif Lucky them.
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I'm going to wager that not everyone participating in the thread currently has closely followed the saga to which you allude. wink.gif Lucky them.
Well, in that case can someone help me fix my crappy blacks?
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One movie is not the most viable way to check for DSE. Have you seen it on any other content? That said, these sets are known to have it...my ZT does, specifically on horizontal scans.

I have noticed it on occasion, like you say on horizontal pans, but nothing too bad. I do have 2 other Panasonic plasmas maybe I'll see what it looks on either of those.
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I have noticed it on occasion, like you say on horizontal pans, but nothing too bad. I do have 2 other Panasonic plasmas maybe I'll see what it looks on either of those.
Not to sound rude but it doesn't really sound like you have a problem at all. If you need to pick out specific scenes that you might notice something, I think it sounds like you have a pretty good panel whether or not it looks different on your other panels.
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Still (after 300hrs) seeing a lot of DFC or phosphor trails or blurring or whatever it's called. I don't care what the technical explanation is, but these tv's are praised for their motion and all I see it faces of people turning into a blurring mess when moving or panning. I never ever saw this on my P50V10, and don't think it's as bad on my (bedroom) P42ST30. No idea what's going on here.
You are in a select group whose brains separate the red, green, and blue colors in moving objects. Some people with your condition are able to adapt, for others it's impossible.
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just watched All is Lost last night. Good flick, but boy was it one of the biggest color banding torture tests I've seen.

Same thing. I thought my set was broken. Whole movie is pretty much two-color (cyan and pink) face of Bob Redford and pale, pale overcast days. Scenes inside of the boat were much better (during the night only though)

i felt that way too. I couldn't help but wonder if better color bit depth in newer HDR type techs would 'fix' that scene. First time i ever felt digital was inadequate.
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Could be, but why did I never see this on my other plasma, nor on my dlp projectors I had ( the so called rainow effect ). As I am typing, we are watching a 720p hd broadcast at 50hz and as soon as people start to move or turn their faces, it looks plain awful. Posted this before, it almost looks like those old lcd screens when used in the cold. It is not only the trails but the lack of sharpness and resolution when there is movement. I love the blacks and colours of this tv, but this is just awful. I am really wondering if I could have a bad panel or something.
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^ after a couple hundred hours you'll notice it reduces drastically. its almost like the pixels are 'sticky' till they break in a bit.
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He's already exceeded 300 hours. If still visible at 400 hours (to remove all doubt), there indeed might be something wrong.
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ahh, in that case while you are breaking it in further, why don't you ensure that your settings have all the automated stuff turned of and ensure that you are using panel brightness MID. Of course, its hard to comment on how the EURO model might differ from the US one...
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You could call that movie "Chronicles of Pitch Black".
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It's not just the black levels although in my pitch black room I couldn't distinguish the bezel from the letter box bars. The blacks just blended. On low APL night scenes- the blacks were a very dark grey and I could just slightly tell the difference but even then it was close. Add the amazing colors to the mix and i seriously thought for a moment that my VT60 was an led set with all the pop and 3D depth. After the movie ended and I turned to OTA channels and reality set in ...................biggrin.gif

I'm seriously thinking of purchasing this movie just for the reasons above. Maybe play it as a demo for this amazing set. With the sound definitely turned off as not to mess with the surreal experience because once you hear the characters speaking- all bets are off biggrin.gif
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^hahaha, agreed completely. The PQ was jawdropping on my ZT. Hollywood once again finished nailing a coffin in another franchise.
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ahh, in that case while you are breaking it in further, why don't you ensure that your settings have all the automated stuff turned of and ensure that you are using panel brightness MID. Of course, its hard to comment on how the EURO model might differ from the US one...

all enhancements are off, and panel is indeed at mid. calibrated it using disney wow but it is the same with other default settings. I am at 351 hours.
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i felt that way too. I couldn't help but wonder if better color bit depth in newer HDR type techs would 'fix' that scene. First time i ever felt digital was inadequate.

I don't believe digital has anything to do with it. After all we've seen a lot of movies shot on digital and looking great across the board. Speaking of sea movies. Last night I've finally unpacked "Jaws", that as per Blu-Ray Digest is completely new Blu-ray transfer. Image is jaw-dropping. Pun intended smile.gif
For a second it felt like it's a brand-new movie. Funny thing is new movies don't exhibit such old-school colors. Last one that comes to mind is Mummy Returns. I'm really happy I've waited to unpack the best after VT60 arrived. It truly does them justice. Next in line is "Lawrence of Arabia". They say it's pure magic in terms of picture.

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Could be, but why did I never see this on my other plasma, nor on my dlp projectors I had ( the so called rainow effect ). As I am typing, we are watching a 720p hd broadcast at 50hz and as soon as people start to move or turn their faces, it looks plain awful. Posted this before, it almost looks like those old lcd screens when used in the cold. It is not only the trails but the lack of sharpness and resolution when there is movement. I love the blacks and colours of this tv, but this is just awful. I am really wondering if I could have a bad panel or something.
Hi lapino. Do you think it can be captured on a video? That way maybe we could see what your seeing. Otherwise maybe see if panny can send out a tech to verify what you guys are seeing.
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Yeah, I agree they can definitely make it so we don't see that type of color banding, but I was only meaning that if the director wanted those soft/blurry monotonous shots in AIL to be banding free he'd likely need more bit depth than the medium we have for it .

LOA was even good when it was 'bad' smile.gif The bluray is supposed to be phenomenal. Let me know what you think after you see it
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Yeah, I agree they can definitely make it so we don't see that type of color banding, but I was only meaning that if the director wanted those soft/blurry monotonous shots in AIL to be banding free he'd likely need more bit depth than the medium we have for it .

LOA was even good when it was 'bad' smile.gif The bluray is supposed to be phenomenal. Let me know what you think after you see it

I hope 4K OLED in 7-10 years time will achieve seriously expanded colorspace, 1TB X-Ray discs will become common thing - then perhaps we'll get some miracles in visual department smile.gif

I will

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Went out Panasonic plasma hunting today!!! Need your advice please...Which of these floor models would you recommend buying based on value (performance to cost):

 

65" ZT60  $2,300  (2,875 hours)

60" ST60  $1,200  (2,030 hours)

60" VT60  $1,100  (3,440 hours)

60" ST60  $   800  (3,495 hours)

 

I have it in order of what I think is the best value and what I am leaning on purchasing.  I like the 65" ZT60 cause its has the size and picture quality!  I like the 60" ST60 cause of the lowest hours and has the value factor.

 

Please help make an educated decision.  Thank you

I just found a display 65" VT60 for $2000 with 3,350 hours.  Would you then consider that instead?


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