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Old 02-18-2014, 06:49 PM
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Seriously,
has anyone found anything to cover the VT60's silver border?

I don't want to use black electrical tape, as the glue would make a mess if I ever removed it.
I found Kidkusion Toddler Edge Kushions (B000MHIEYA), but they are not black enough.
Fabric tape, craft tape, Washi tape.
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Fabric tape, craft tape, Washi tape.

I guess I'm just getting old cause the silver boarder doesn't seem to bother me thought it might but I guess I'm just so involved in the great picture I don't pay attention.
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Seriously,
has anyone found anything to cover the VT60's silver border?

I don't want to use black electrical tape, as the glue would make a mess if I ever removed it.
I found Kidkusion Toddler Edge Kushions (B000MHIEYA), but they are not black enough.

I actually had to look at my VT60 to see the border right now. Never noticed it that clearly until you've brought it up.
I don't believe tape will do the trick. It'll look alien. Paintspray perhaps?

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The silver boarder is a non issue, it does not distract from viewing one bit.

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Returned a ZT for a VT. I will say I prefer the ZT for the look and for the less reflective screen. It seems the VT reflects a lot more in my room even with curtains mostly closed. But in a controlled light setting it's been great and I usually watch tv in the evenings anyway.
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Returned a ZT for a VT. I will say I prefer the ZT for the look and for the less reflective screen. It seems the VT reflects a lot more in my room even with curtains mostly closed. But in a controlled light setting it's been great and I usually watch tv in the evenings anyway.
Why the exchange?
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Why the exchange?

It's obvious, the blacks are better on the VT.

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It's obvious, the blacks are better on the VT.
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It's obvious, the blacks are better on the VT.

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I guess I'm just getting old cause the silver boarder doesn't seem to bother me

I have an exceedingly black wall. This picture shows the old Pioneer FHD1:
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The silver edge of the new VT60 stands out (as does the famous red ON light).

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Paintspray perhaps?
I don't care how well I might mask it off -- the risk of painting the screen is too high.

I'm looking for something that'll be removable in 5 years, when I sell it, yet blackest black, and straight.

(I'm considering spray painting the Edge Cushions I mentioned, or painting with rubber paint.)

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Fabric tape, craft tape, Washi tape.
I'll look into those again.


Maybe a black magic marker. One of those whiteboard Dry Erase ones.


I was hoping there were some sort of long removable plastic strips, perhaps similar to those little patches people use to cover the red ON light.



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I don't know but what ever that is on top of tv on right side would bother me more then the small red power button on the VT60. Lol
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I don't know but what ever that is on top of tv on right side would bother me more then the small red power button on the VT60. Lol

Yes, the red digital clock does make the VT60 red ON light a trivial issue. smile.gif
In my case it's the silver border that's the issue.

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I have an exceedingly black wall. This picture shows the old Pioneer FHD1:
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The silver edge of the new VT60 stands out (as does the famous red ON light).
I don't care how well I might mask it off -- the risk of painting the screen is too high.

I'm looking for something that'll be removable in 5 years, when I sell it, yet blackest black, and straight.

(I'm considering spray painting the Edge Cushions I mentioned, or painting with rubber paint.)
I'll look into those again.


Maybe a black magic marker. One of those whiteboard Dry Erase ones.


I was hoping there were some sort of long removable plastic strips, perhaps similar to those little patches people use to cover the red ON light.



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You have 2 chairs in front of your TV that are pointed away from the screen, one of them appears to be directly in the way of your TV viewing angle, the reflections off of that leather chair would be bad enough, but then you have the most obnoxious looking red digital clock right above your screen ! And you're stressing about a 1/8" strip of silver ? eek.gif

Yeah, we wouldn't get along. rolleyes.gif

If you did a good enough masking job, I guess you could use PlastiDip spray. It should last 5 years, then when you're done with it you can peel it off. Oh, and get an analog clock while your at it, or just move that red glowing atrocity to another location, preferably the recycling bin.
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You have 2 chairs in front of your TV that are pointed away from the screen, one of them appears to be directly in the way of your TV viewing angle, the reflections off of that leather chair would be bad enough, but then you have the most obnoxious looking red digital clock right above your screen ! And you're stressing about a 1/8" strip of silver ? w:eek:e

Yeah, we wouldn't get along. rolleyes.gif

Yeah the 80's red clock is a huge eye sore eek.gif

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On the bright side, you won't have anyone interrupting the show asking what time it is in that room. wink.gif
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THX mode does not allow you into the advanced setting menu to see what is there so there really is no point to it.

So there is no way to reproduce the picture of THX Cinema and get the benefit of pixel orbiter?
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The silver boarder is a non issue, it does not distract from viewing one bit.

I don't see the red "on" light either when viewing. I only notice it when the display is off.

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So there is no way to reproduce the picture of THX Cinema and get the benefit of pixel orbiter?
Nope, no way to do so. You need to either calibrate yourself or use settings of some of the other posters here and try to find a picture you like.
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Yes, the red digital clock does make the VT60 red ON light a trivial issue. smile.gif
In my case it's the silver border that's the issue.

Its good to see we have moved to complaining about aesthetics. So I guess everyone is happy with the most important part of our display - its picture. You can never satisfy everyone with how you design something, personally I think it looks good. It certainly doesn't impact my viewing pleasure as I am focused on the picture itself and not what is around it. Maybe Robert at VE would let you send you displays back to him to have your bezels painted black or you could check with an auto paint shop. For the red light, you can always disable it if it bothers you.

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Its good to see we have moved to complaining about aesthetics. So I guess everyone is happy with the most important part of our display - its picture. You can never satisfy everyone with how you design something, personally I think it looks good. It certainly doesn't impact my viewing pleasure as I am focused on the picture itself and not what is around it. Maybe Robert at VE would let you send you displays back to him to have your bezels painted black or you could check with an auto paint shop. For the red light, you can always disable it if it bothers you.

How would one disable the red light?

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How about this stuff for blacking out chrome?
http://www.amazon.com/Trimbrite-T9005-Black-Out-Tape/dp/B00029XD62
Most car parts stores should have something like this. I used a similar product on a car and it lasted.

On the other hand, the silver does not bother me at all.
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Random thought...

If they can make a 3D tv that doesn't require wearing 3D glasses, why don't they make a tv that corrects for the need to wear glasses? Then a person could watch tv without glasses. And it would be razor sharp (assuming you sit at the perfect distance for the corrective visual) . Of course only one person could watch it at one time, so they would sell more tvs.

Why don't the tv manufacturers ever have these great ideas?

Because usually, each of your eyes has a different prescription.
Myself, for instance, I'm -.25 in my right eye, and perfect in my left after cataract surgery.

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So there is no way to reproduce the picture of THX Cinema and get the benefit of pixel orbiter?


I believe you can. Just write down each individual setting THX Cinema has and copy them to the Pro mode. I don't know if you can use the TV's own copy feature, if not, then just input them by hand.

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Returned because I jumped on the Amazon 65 VT60 deal for $1999. Returned my ZT the day prior. Bad move for me because the VT60 arrived with a cracked screen. Scrambled and found a 60VT60 for a good price and 270 hours. Made my 65ZT60 available to any local forum member for the price I paid, but no takers. Someone ended up with a nice open box. 90 hours on the thing.
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You have 2 chairs in front of your TV that are pointed away from the screen, one of them appears to be directly in the way of your TV viewing angle, the reflections off of that leather chair would be bad enough
The multi-purpose room has several configurations (furniture placements). The one shown in that picture is where the seating has been arranged facing each other, to facilitate conversation (not movie watching), such as at a familial Christmas gathering.
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And you're stressing about a 1/8" strip of silver ?
'stressing' is perhaps too strong a word, but that silver bit is hideous to mine eyes. In a different room perhaps it wouldn't be. It is, as several have mentioned, easily ignorable when engrossed in a film, but otherwise I'm obviously not enjoying it.
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get an analog clock while your at it, or just move that red glowing atrocity to another location,
That digital clock is amazingly practical, precisely for its location, and equally for its proximity to the viewing image (particularly for television), and of course its ease of reading and minute precision. And in real life actually looks pretty good there.
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If you did a good enough masking job, I guess you could use PlastiDip spray. It should last 5 years, then when you're done with it you can peel it off.
That's an interesting product. Thank you. I shall consider it.

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I was hoping there were some sort of long removable plastic strips, perhaps similar to those little patches people use to cover the red ON light.

LightDims sells a Customizable Edition about the size of a number 10 envelope. I bought one, but haven't used it - somewhat wary since the Panasonic ehelp states not to leave plastic in contact with the TV for extended periods. One might be enough if you don't wrap it around the sides. Two would easily suffice.
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Its good to see we have moved to complaining about aesthetics. So I guess everyone is happy with the most important part of our display - its picture.
It'll be a couple months before it's calibrated professionally. I'm not making any serious judgments about the quality of the image until then. I am anticipating good things. My last calibration on my Pioneer FHD1 was a very impressive change, and caused me to just give up calibrating it myself.

Two things I have noticed that I don't expect to change with the VT60, relative to the old Pioneer FHD1
1) vertical scrolling, such as the end credits at the end of BluRay "Sherlock" season 3 episodes, are jittery. Might be a problem with the PS3 rather than the VT60. Horizontal panning seems fine, but any vertical movement even in a movie seems jittery. I'm going to keep my eyes open for American film vertical movement to see if it might be some UK 50i to 24p or 96hz conversion problem, where the jitteriness is really caused by a bad de-interlacing conversion on the disk itself rather than the display.
2) The screen format (full, just, 4:3, zoom, etc) doesn't seem as smart on the VT60 as it did on the FHD1. Its not a problem with BluRays, but on cable television watching I find myself frequently using the VT60's remote's Format button (just under the blue), and I have to use Overscan=ON on cable for several channels that I didn't have to before. The FHD1 must have been actually looking at the content of the image to determine where artificial black bars (letterboxing) were -- whereas now I have to adjust manually as I change channels. I prefer to have cable always fill the screen even with the older resolution channels even if people look a little fat, and with HD channels it shouldn't have overscan. Using zoom works on several of the older channels, until I start using the DVR controls at which point half of them have the tops and bottoms cut off (e.g. the DVR's TV Guide that lists shows and times is missing 20% of the information).

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LightDims sells a Customizable Edition about the size of a number 10 envelope.
That was one of the first things I looked at, as it was sort of what I was hoping for except I wanted 60" long or so. I don't want to overlap or butt join. A 45 degree butt join at the corners is fine.

It has to be straight the entire distance. Simply put, I don't want to make it look worse.

And if glue is involved, it would be better to have the glue on the top/sides/bottom rather than the front, in case its ever removed. Light removable glue, rather than permanent. Perhaps static sheets.

I wondered if the silver trim could be pry-ed off, painted, and put back on, without damage. It's not obvious how to do that. (And warrantee?)
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somewhat wary since the Panasonic ehelp states not to leave plastic in contact with the TV for extended periods.
That would be this file
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/E-HELP_VT60.PDF
which says
"Do not let articles made from rubber or PVC be in contact with the TV for long periods of time."
"Do not attach sticky tape or labels, as they can make the surface of the pedestal dirty. Do not allow long-term contact with rubber, vinyl products, or the like. (Doing so will cause deterioration.)"

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value electronics spray paints some of their zt60's a matte black so I'm thinking what you are after is quite doable. how they do it? no clue.
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