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your 65" model had these issues or did u have a 55" model before that ?

My 55" ST had the green skin tone issue, still does. My 65" VT is being calibrated today skin tones look much better so far

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My 55" ST had the green skin tone issue, still does. My 65" VT is being calibrated today skin tones look much better so far

how is the 55" calibrated ? 6pt or full LUT ?

if LUT, which LUT box and which color engine (LS, CM, Argyll) ?

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No lut, 3 point CMS for primaries only. I know what I lut can do but serious investment in software and equipment. Was completely happy with my VT with a 6 axis calibration assuming the VT60 will shine as well.

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No lut, 3 point CMS for primaries only. I know what I lut can do but serious investment in software and equipment. Was completely happy with my VT with a 6 axis calibration assuming the VT60 will shine as well.

I heard one of tricks is to use 4% APL patterns when calibrating these troublesome sets... don't use normal window patterns...

I can't confirm myself as I don't own these sets but 30+ owners in other forums have found this out the hard way... ;-)

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Chad did my cal he uses 5%apl windows and I experimented, I found a gamma around 2.3 mitigated it for the most part, Still a very good set 99% of the time.

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Chad did my cal he uses 5%apl windows and I experimented, I found a gamma around 2.3 mitigated it for the most part, Still a very good set 99% of the time.

Chad will get it done... ;-)

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Nice price on a new 65VT60.
what stores still have these available..? I called best buy and they couldn't look it up because of it being discontinued... my vt50 died and I'm getting a refund from panasonic..love to replace it with the vt60 or zt60
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I've had my 65vt60 for about a week now and is one helluva tv.....I will probably purchase Control cal later this week and give it some fine tuning . Purchased a Square Trade warranty through Costco. 99 bucks plus tax adds 3 more years over manufacturer's Warranty. Well worth it since there are no replacement Panny Plasmas forthcoming.
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I've had my 65vt60 for about a week now and is one helluva tv.....I will probably purchase Control cal later this week and give it some fine tuning . Purchased a Square Trade warranty through Costco. 99 bucks plus tax adds 3 more years over manufacturer's Warranty. Well worth it since there are no replacement Panny Plasmas forthcoming.

Nice to see everything worked out for you in the end after not getting your ZT60. smile.gif
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1350 hrs here and no blobs. Don't expect any either, the fans remove the heat that caused the blobs in the 50 series.
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My 55" ST had the green skin tone issue, still does. My 65" VT is being calibrated today skin tones look much better so far

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what stores still have these available..? I called best buy and they couldn't look it up because of it being discontinued... my vt50 died and I'm getting a refund from panasonic..love to replace it with the vt60 or zt60

Extremely if not almost impossibly hard to find at this point in stores. A floor model is probably your best chance and even that won't be easy.

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Extremely if not almost impossibly hard to find at this point in stores. A floor model is probably your best chance and even that won't be easy.
I say just go with a NIB F8500. It is a great TV and I do not feel like it is inferior in any way to the Panasonic's and I own a VT60.

If was able to sell my 65VT60 and purchase a NIB F8500 and make some money on the deal I would. I would not feel like it was a downgrade in any way. The VT60/ZT60 and F8500 are all swappable to me. I cannot imagine anyone looking at one of these as being inferior to another. I went with the 65VT60 at the time because it was being sold at the lowest price of all three. Heck it was even less then a 65ST60.

I would have chosen any one of the three which was being sold at the lowest price at the time of my purchase.
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I say just go with a NIB F8500. It is a great TV and I do not feel like it is inferior in any way to the Panasonic's and I own a VT60.

If was able to sell my 65VT60 and purchase a NIB F8500 and make some money on the deal I would. I would not feel like it was a downgrade in any way. The VT60/ZT60 and F8500 are all swappable to me. I cannot imagine anyone looking at one of these as being inferior to another. I went with the 65VT60 at the time because it was being sold at the lowest price of all three. Heck it was even less then a 65ST60.

I would have chosen any one of the three which was being sold at the lowest price at the time of my purchase.

Can anyone else elaborate on this point? I've read a lot of the reviews, but is the F8500 really just as good at the VT60? I had a Pioneer 500M, so I'm big on black levels. Is the F8500 at least close?

I purchased a VT60 open box and, after a week of slides/pixel flipper/etc, I have still not really made a dent in the IR of my set. At this point, I'm pretty much thinking that it's burn-in, so I'm considering returning the VT60. If there were any more VT60's available in my area, I would grab them, but sadly there are not.

I hate to ask this question in the VT60 thread, but I feel like I'm going to get a lot less biased opinions in here than in the F8500 thread.
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Bias will be present in every thread. They are close, but side-by-side in a cinematic (darkened) environment, and I have to assume you prefer this environment when coming from a 500M, there will be a slight difference. Given that you have a 500M, I'd recommend the 55" OLED currently on sale. It won't match it in motion resolution but will solidly beat it in black levels.
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Bias will be present in every thread. They are close, but side-by-side in a cinematic (darkened) environment, and I have to assume you prefer this environment when coming from a 500M, there will be a slight difference. Given that you have a 500M, I'd recommend the 55" OLED currently on sale. It won't match it in motion resolution but will solidly beat it in black levels.

Haha, yeah, I realized the irony of my statement about thread bias after I finished my post.

You're right about my viewing environment: Basement with no windows. While I do definitely end up comparing everything to my 500M, I'm okay with lighter black levels to an extent. I know that, side by side, the VT60 is going to win out, but is the F8500 able to hold its own when it isn't sitting next to a VT60? I assume so, but it would be nice to hear what other people think about the subject.

Also, while I love your OLED suggestion, budget is definitely a factor in this purchase. I've got a budget of ~$2,500, which the OLED's don't even come close to at this point.
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Haha, yeah, I realized the irony of my statement about thread bias after I finished my post.

You're right about my viewing environment: Basement with no windows. While I do definitely end up comparing everything to my 500M, I'm okay with lighter black levels to an extent. I know that, side by side, the VT60 is going to win out, but is the F8500 able to hold its own when it isn't sitting next to a VT60? I assume so, but it would be nice to hear what other people think about the subject.

Also, while I love your OLED suggestion, budget is definitely a factor in this purchase. I've got a budget of ~$2,500, which the OLED's don't even come close to at this point.
No way I would move down to a 55" just to get an OLED. If the TV is small, no matter the black level, you aren't getting immersed.

The F8500 holds its own and will also outperform the VT60 with daytime lighting. Does the F8500 have the best blacks, no and we already know that but the difference is small enough that it isn't going to effect your viewing experience in any way. None of these TV's are going to give you a pitch black experience anyway.
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. None of these TV's are going to give you a pitch black experience anyway.
A certain rustled individual over at the Kuro Pictures Thread is very adamant that he gets no glow at all and seems to bark at any post that suggests otherwise. What a toxic thread, or may just be the one bad apple of the group.

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A certain rustled individual over at the Kuro Pictures Thread is very adamant that he gets no glow at all and seems to bark at any post that suggests otherwise. What a toxic thread, or may just be the one bad apple of the group.
I don't know much about the Kuro's to comment on that but I was generally speaking about the F8500 and the VT60/ZT60.
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. None of these TV's are going to give you a pitch black experience anyway.
A certain rustled individual over at the Kuro Pictures Thread is very adamant that he gets no glow at all and seems to bark at any post that suggests otherwise. What a toxic thread, or may just be the one bad apple of the group.
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I had 4 VT60's here - all had fan noise. The last one I kept and had the foam fix applied and then the fans replaced.

It did help but the fans are still way louder than my VT50 which is DEAD QUIET....

still, the fan noise right now on the VT60 is not noticeable when audio is on and the pic (after calibration) is even better than the VT50...

ZT have the same issues or more, don't waste your money...


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I sold my 65VT50 and agree it was dead quiet in same location as my 65VT60 which has foam fix, my plunger fix finally made it quiet.
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I sold my 65VT50 and agree it was dead quiet in same location as my 65VT60 which has foam fix, my plunger fix finally made it quiet.

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can u elaborate on the plunger fix ?

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I don't know much about the Kuro's to comment on that but I was generally speaking about the F8500 and the VT60/ZT60.


These are the reasons I went with the vt60 over the 8500

8500 has floating blacks
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Reduced light output and increased mll since original production run

Haphazard firmware updates that are not tested and often cause the need for a factory reset to restore picture quality

For me the clear choice was the vt
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Haha, yeah, I realized the irony of my statement about thread bias after I finished my post.

You're right about my viewing environment: Basement with no windows. While I do definitely end up comparing everything to my 500M, I'm okay with lighter black levels to an extent. I know that, side by side, the VT60 is going to win out, but is the F8500 able to hold its own when it isn't sitting next to a VT60? I assume so, but it would be nice to hear what other people think about the subject.

Also, while I love your OLED suggestion, budget is definitely a factor in this purchase. I've got a budget of ~$2,500, which the OLED's don't even come close to at this point.
No way I would move down to a 55" just to get an OLED. If the TV is small, no matter the black level, you aren't getting immersed.

The F8500 holds its own and will also outperform the VT60 with daytime lighting. Does the F8500 have the best blacks, no and we already know that but the difference is small enough that it isn't going to effect your viewing experience in any way. None of these TV's are going to give you a pitch black experience anyway.

Doesn't t take the cover of darkness to see it. Even in best buy with lights on the better blacks and superior picture detail became obvious after a minute.
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I say just go with a NIB F8500. It is a great TV and I do not feel like it is inferior in any way to the Panasonic's and I own a VT60.

If was able to sell my 65VT60 and purchase a NIB F8500 and make some money on the deal I would. I would not feel like it was a downgrade in any way. The VT60/ZT60 and F8500 are all swappable to me. I cannot imagine anyone looking at one of these as being inferior to another. I went with the 65VT60 at the time because it was being sold at the lowest price of all three. Heck it was even less then a 65ST60.

I would have chosen any one of the three which was being sold at the lowest price at the time of my purchase.

Been there and done it with the F8500. It's just not as good with dark room viewing no matter what some say or want to believe and I felt my ST30 was just as good and couldn't justify keeping it. Then I got the VT60 and it felt like an upgrade.

Now that I am moving to front projection, probably less of an issue to me as that is where my serious movie watching will be.

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These are the reasons I went with the vt60 over the 8500

8500 has floating blacks
Contrast ratio is compromised as apl increases
Color saturation issues on the 8500 can not be calibrated out
Reduced light output and increased mll since original production run

Haphazard firmware updates that are not tested and often cause the need for a factory reset to restore picture quality

For me the clear choice was the vt

100% agreed!

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Been there and done it with the F8500. It's just not as good with dark room viewing no matter what some say or want to believe and I felt my ST30 was just as good and couldn't justify keeping it. Then I got the VT60 and it felt like an upgrade.

Now that I am moving to front projection, probably less of an issue to me as that is where my serious movie watching will be.
I moved up from a vt50 to a vt60 which was a decent improvement in the black level department, nothing major though. I didn't consider the f8500 since to me it would not have been an upgrade.

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