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what stores still have these available..? I called best buy and they couldn't look it up because of it being discontinued... my vt50 died and I'm getting a refund from panasonic..love to replace it with the vt60 or zt60

Extremely if not almost impossibly hard to find at this point in stores. A floor model is probably your best chance and even that won't be easy.


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what stores still have these available..? I called best buy and they couldn't look it up because of it being discontinued... my vt50 died and I'm getting a refund from panasonic..love to replace it with the vt60 or zt60

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Extremely if not almost impossibly hard to find at this point in stores. A floor model is probably your best chance and even that won't be easy.
I say just go with a NIB F8500. It is a great TV and I do not feel like it is inferior in any way to the Panasonic's and I own a VT60.

If was able to sell my 65VT60 and purchase a NIB F8500 and make some money on the deal I would. I would not feel like it was a downgrade in any way. The VT60/ZT60 and F8500 are all swappable to me. I cannot imagine anyone looking at one of these as being inferior to another. I went with the 65VT60 at the time because it was being sold at the lowest price of all three. Heck it was even less then a 65ST60.

I would have chosen any one of the three which was being sold at the lowest price at the time of my purchase.
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I say just go with a NIB F8500. It is a great TV and I do not feel like it is inferior in any way to the Panasonic's and I own a VT60.

If was able to sell my 65VT60 and purchase a NIB F8500 and make some money on the deal I would. I would not feel like it was a downgrade in any way. The VT60/ZT60 and F8500 are all swappable to me. I cannot imagine anyone looking at one of these as being inferior to another. I went with the 65VT60 at the time because it was being sold at the lowest price of all three. Heck it was even less then a 65ST60.

I would have chosen any one of the three which was being sold at the lowest price at the time of my purchase.

Can anyone else elaborate on this point? I've read a lot of the reviews, but is the F8500 really just as good at the VT60? I had a Pioneer 500M, so I'm big on black levels. Is the F8500 at least close?

I purchased a VT60 open box and, after a week of slides/pixel flipper/etc, I have still not really made a dent in the IR of my set. At this point, I'm pretty much thinking that it's burn-in, so I'm considering returning the VT60. If there were any more VT60's available in my area, I would grab them, but sadly there are not.

I hate to ask this question in the VT60 thread, but I feel like I'm going to get a lot less biased opinions in here than in the F8500 thread.
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Bias will be present in every thread. They are close, but side-by-side in a cinematic (darkened) environment, and I have to assume you prefer this environment when coming from a 500M, there will be a slight difference. Given that you have a 500M, I'd recommend the 55" OLED currently on sale. It won't match it in motion resolution but will solidly beat it in black levels.
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Bias will be present in every thread. They are close, but side-by-side in a cinematic (darkened) environment, and I have to assume you prefer this environment when coming from a 500M, there will be a slight difference. Given that you have a 500M, I'd recommend the 55" OLED currently on sale. It won't match it in motion resolution but will solidly beat it in black levels.

Haha, yeah, I realized the irony of my statement about thread bias after I finished my post.

You're right about my viewing environment: Basement with no windows. While I do definitely end up comparing everything to my 500M, I'm okay with lighter black levels to an extent. I know that, side by side, the VT60 is going to win out, but is the F8500 able to hold its own when it isn't sitting next to a VT60? I assume so, but it would be nice to hear what other people think about the subject.

Also, while I love your OLED suggestion, budget is definitely a factor in this purchase. I've got a budget of ~$2,500, which the OLED's don't even come close to at this point.
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Haha, yeah, I realized the irony of my statement about thread bias after I finished my post.

You're right about my viewing environment: Basement with no windows. While I do definitely end up comparing everything to my 500M, I'm okay with lighter black levels to an extent. I know that, side by side, the VT60 is going to win out, but is the F8500 able to hold its own when it isn't sitting next to a VT60? I assume so, but it would be nice to hear what other people think about the subject.

Also, while I love your OLED suggestion, budget is definitely a factor in this purchase. I've got a budget of ~$2,500, which the OLED's don't even come close to at this point.
No way I would move down to a 55" just to get an OLED. If the TV is small, no matter the black level, you aren't getting immersed.

The F8500 holds its own and will also outperform the VT60 with daytime lighting. Does the F8500 have the best blacks, no and we already know that but the difference is small enough that it isn't going to effect your viewing experience in any way. None of these TV's are going to give you a pitch black experience anyway.
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. None of these TV's are going to give you a pitch black experience anyway.
A certain rustled individual over at the Kuro Pictures Thread is very adamant that he gets no glow at all and seems to bark at any post that suggests otherwise. What a toxic thread, or may just be the one bad apple of the group.

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A certain rustled individual over at the Kuro Pictures Thread is very adamant that he gets no glow at all and seems to bark at any post that suggests otherwise. What a toxic thread, or may just be the one bad apple of the group.
I don't know much about the Kuro's to comment on that but I was generally speaking about the F8500 and the VT60/ZT60.
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. None of these TV's are going to give you a pitch black experience anyway.
A certain rustled individual over at the Kuro Pictures Thread is very adamant that he gets no glow at all and seems to bark at any post that suggests otherwise. What a toxic thread, or may just be the one bad apple of the group.
It takes more than one. There is always at least one other person who cant resist a chance to argue. rolleyes.gif
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I had 4 VT60's here - all had fan noise. The last one I kept and had the foam fix applied and then the fans replaced.

It did help but the fans are still way louder than my VT50 which is DEAD QUIET....

still, the fan noise right now on the VT60 is not noticeable when audio is on and the pic (after calibration) is even better than the VT50...

ZT have the same issues or more, don't waste your money...


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I sold my 65VT50 and agree it was dead quiet in same location as my 65VT60 which has foam fix, my plunger fix finally made it quiet.

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I don't know much about the Kuro's to comment on that but I was generally speaking about the F8500 and the VT60/ZT60.


These are the reasons I went with the vt60 over the 8500

8500 has floating blacks
Contrast ratio is compromised as apl increases
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Reduced light output and increased mll since original production run

Haphazard firmware updates that are not tested and often cause the need for a factory reset to restore picture quality

For me the clear choice was the vt
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Haha, yeah, I realized the irony of my statement about thread bias after I finished my post.

You're right about my viewing environment: Basement with no windows. While I do definitely end up comparing everything to my 500M, I'm okay with lighter black levels to an extent. I know that, side by side, the VT60 is going to win out, but is the F8500 able to hold its own when it isn't sitting next to a VT60? I assume so, but it would be nice to hear what other people think about the subject.

Also, while I love your OLED suggestion, budget is definitely a factor in this purchase. I've got a budget of ~$2,500, which the OLED's don't even come close to at this point.
No way I would move down to a 55" just to get an OLED. If the TV is small, no matter the black level, you aren't getting immersed.

The F8500 holds its own and will also outperform the VT60 with daytime lighting. Does the F8500 have the best blacks, no and we already know that but the difference is small enough that it isn't going to effect your viewing experience in any way. None of these TV's are going to give you a pitch black experience anyway.

Doesn't t take the cover of darkness to see it. Even in best buy with lights on the better blacks and superior picture detail became obvious after a minute.
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I say just go with a NIB F8500. It is a great TV and I do not feel like it is inferior in any way to the Panasonic's and I own a VT60.

If was able to sell my 65VT60 and purchase a NIB F8500 and make some money on the deal I would. I would not feel like it was a downgrade in any way. The VT60/ZT60 and F8500 are all swappable to me. I cannot imagine anyone looking at one of these as being inferior to another. I went with the 65VT60 at the time because it was being sold at the lowest price of all three. Heck it was even less then a 65ST60.

I would have chosen any one of the three which was being sold at the lowest price at the time of my purchase.

Been there and done it with the F8500. It's just not as good with dark room viewing no matter what some say or want to believe and I felt my ST30 was just as good and couldn't justify keeping it. Then I got the VT60 and it felt like an upgrade.

Now that I am moving to front projection, probably less of an issue to me as that is where my serious movie watching will be.


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These are the reasons I went with the vt60 over the 8500

8500 has floating blacks
Contrast ratio is compromised as apl increases
Color saturation issues on the 8500 can not be calibrated out
Reduced light output and increased mll since original production run

Haphazard firmware updates that are not tested and often cause the need for a factory reset to restore picture quality

For me the clear choice was the vt

100% agreed!


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Been there and done it with the F8500. It's just not as good with dark room viewing no matter what some say or want to believe and I felt my ST30 was just as good and couldn't justify keeping it. Then I got the VT60 and it felt like an upgrade.

Now that I am moving to front projection, probably less of an issue to me as that is where my serious movie watching will be.
I moved up from a vt50 to a vt60 which was a decent improvement in the black level department, nothing major though. I didn't consider the f8500 since to me it would not have been an upgrade.

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Haha, yeah, I realized the irony of my statement about thread bias after I finished my post.

You're right about my viewing environment: Basement with no windows. While I do definitely end up comparing everything to my 500M, I'm okay with lighter black levels to an extent. I know that, side by side, the VT60 is going to win out, but is the F8500 able to hold its own when it isn't sitting next to a VT60? I assume so, but it would be nice to hear what other people think about the subject.

Also, while I love your OLED suggestion, budget is definitely a factor in this purchase. I've got a budget of ~$2,500, which the OLED's don't even come close to at this point.
Over halfway there ($4600 presently on the OLED). wink.gif Without a side-by-side on the F8500 vs VT60, it's hard to say. Most claim they don't see the floating blacks phenomenon on the former, but you could be in the minority that does, especially in your blackout environment.
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No way I would move down to a 55" just to get an OLED. If the TV is small, no matter the black level, you aren't getting immersed.
He only has a 50" panel now unless I overlooked something. A 55" will not be a downgrade in size or immersion.
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The F8500 holds its own and will also outperform the VT60 with daytime lighting. Does the F8500 have the best blacks, no and we already know that but the difference is small enough that it isn't going to effect your viewing experience in any way. None of these TV's are going to give you a pitch black experience anyway.
DavidHir disagreed based on a side-by-side, though he conducted that test early last model year (June?), so maybe things have improved since then. Cloggerdude is using his set in a basement without windows or daytime concerns...I would not prefer an F8500 in such a setup.
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A certain rustled individual over at the Kuro Pictures Thread is very adamant that he gets no glow at all and seems to bark at any post that suggests otherwise. What a toxic thread, or may just be the one bad apple of the group.
I wish I could agree with you that it's only one, but it's actually a couple. I'm surprised you were only lambasted by the one.

EDIT: David already weighed in. Sorry for the redundancy.
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Doesn't t take the cover of darkness to see it. Even in best buy with lights on the better blacks and superior picture detail became obvious after a minute.
Not quite sure Best Buy is the greatest way to judge. I was at a Best Buy that had a ZT60, VT60 and F8500 all right next to each other playing The Dark Night Rises and just looking at the overall picture the F8500 looked the best. No way would I use that as judgment though and I promise you that in each Best Buy a different TV might look better then another.
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Over halfway there ($4600 presently on the OLED). wink.gif Without a side-by-side on the F8500 vs VT60, it's hard to say. Most claim they don't see the floating blacks phenomenon on the former, but you could be in the minority that does, especially in your blackout environment.
He only has a 50" panel now unless I overlooked something. A 55" will not be a downgrade in size or immersion.
If I am going to be spending $4,600 on a TV it sure won't be for a 55". I would defiantly save $2,000 and get a larger TV with lesser blacks.

Heck, if edge lit LEDs didn't suffer with clouding and flashlighting I would have went with a larger LED for a trade off of blacks. I just can't look past those defects.

Blacks levels suck in movie theaters but that doesn't ruin the experience one bit because you are there for the large screen.
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I don't know....the poor blacks at the theater when I saw Gravity did cause me to be taken out of the experience a few times. smile.gif I put it out of mind easily. However, what one person weighs as the most significant does not necessarily correlate with the PQ priorities of another (it's easy to suggest otherwise until you've owned a panel like a 500M for blackout purposes). I would very much be willing to grab a 55" TV for that price to be used in a bedroom, for instance (and probably end up neglecting my ZT, which now incidentally enough has IR from the Netflix pause bar rolleyes.gif ...yes, I'm still using THX cinema). Frankly, after being made aware of the capability of OLED, I would have trouble ever buying another plasma. I would also not recommend someone trade in their 500M for any of them unless they must have the afforded size increase. This was an easier decision for me because I came from a 50" Kuro that is more on par with the VT/ZT performance-wise.
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I don't know....the poor blacks at the theater when I saw Gravity did cause me to be taken out of the experience a few times. smile.gif I put it out of mind easily. However, what one person weighs as the most significant does not necessarily correlate with the PQ priorities of another (it's easy to suggest otherwise until you've owned a panel like a 500M for blackout purposes). I would very much be willing to grab a 55" TV for that price to be used in a bedroom, for instance (and probably end up neglecting my ZT, which now incidentally enough has IR from the Netflix pause bar rolleyes.gif ...yes, I'm still using THX cinema). Frankly, after being made aware of the capability of OLED, I would have trouble ever buying another plasma. I would also not recommend someone trade in their 500M for any of them unless they must have the afforded size increase. This was an easier decision for me because I came from a 50" Kuro that is more on par with the VT/ZT performance-wise.
How long will it be before they can produce an OLED larger than 55"? Luckily I have my black level fix with my vt60 and 101fd but I would definitely get an OLED in the future. And ya I saw Gravity in Imax 3D and it looked like crap, at least the blacks seemed disappointing as hell, it was like a completely different visual experience when I got to see it again a few days ago on my VT.

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^This year if LG holds up their end of the bargain, with 65" and 77" panels forthcoming.
I'm expecting a major price jump in OLED screen sizes over 55"
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^I wouldn't doubt it. CES speculation suggested an SRP of $30k for the 77". Let's hope for lower.

Likewise, Famouss...now that I've had a taste of 65", it's a bit scary to think that the sky is the limit (which is virtually true with 4K and up).
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