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So I got my supposedly new Panasonic VT60 today from a webstore based in my in city. Sold to me as 'brand new straight from Panasonic'... well it doesn't look it. It looks like a display model. The screen is covered in fine scratches like its been polished with an abrasive cloth. frown.gif I doubt they'll have a new replacement.

I just emailed them, I'll see what they come back with.

Wow, you managed to find one? Did u get it for a good price too? When something appears to good to be true it usually is
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So I got my supposedly new Panasonic VT60 today from a webstore based in my in city. Sold to me as 'brand new straight from Panasonic'... well it doesn't look it. It looks like a display model. The screen is covered in fine scratches like its been polished with an abrasive cloth. frown.gif I doubt they'll have a new replacement.

I just emailed them, I'll see what they come back with.

Probably someone used the light pen on it! smile.gif

That sucks because the scratches are likely in the filter which means they're impossible to minimize. I swear these VTs are the most delicate plasmas I've ever seen. My old 46" and 50" sets have no scratches even after several moves and wiimotes thrown at them. They just don't make them like they used to I guess.

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Probably someone used the light pen on it! smile.gif

That sucks because the scratches are likely in the filter which means they're impossible to minimize. I swear these VTs are the most delicate plasmas I've ever seen. My old 46" and 50" sets have no scratches even after several moves and wiimotes thrown at them. They just don't make them like they used to I guess.

Did you ever think that some less than intelligent person decided to use something other than the pen that Panasonic sells for this type of use? My VT60 is almost a year old and has it has been a great, I don't miss watching my Kuro at all. No IR problems, minor buzzing on white slides and of course a little fan noise that is taken care of with volume or ambient noise from the HVAC system. Most important - the picture is outstanding. Masters looked great this weekend, Pacific Rim on HBO showed off its ability on darker scenes as did the blu-ray I watched when it came out months ago. Saying that the quality is no inferior to your older plasmas based on scratches on this display and only God knows how they got there - seriously rolleyes.gif

Back to watching one of the best plasmas made, take it over an older one any day. Just grateful to have bought one before the end.

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Probably someone used the light pen on it! smile.gif

That sucks because the scratches are likely in the filter which means they're impossible to minimize. I swear these VTs are the most delicate plasmas I've ever seen. My old 46" and 50" sets have no scratches even after several moves and wiimotes thrown at them. They just don't make them like they used to I guess.

I always wondered why they didn't put the anti-glare coating on the inside of the glass. If they'd done that, you could polish out scratches quite easily.
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Interesting idea but wouldn't you then still have glare? and a blurry image? Panasonic had AG plasmas and they were not top sellers

I don't think glass front would cancel out the loss of contrast
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Did you ever think that some less than intelligent person decided to use something other than the pen that Panasonic sells for this type of use? My VT60 is almost a year old and has it has been a great, I don't miss watching my Kuro at all. No IR problems, minor buzzing on white slides and of course a little fan noise that is taken care of with volume or ambient noise from the HVAC system. Most important - the picture is outstanding. Masters looked great this weekend, Pacific Rim on HBO showed off its ability on darker scenes as did the blu-ray I watched when it came out months ago. Saying that the quality is no inferior to your older plasmas based on scratches on this display and only God knows how they got there - seriously rolleyes.gif

Back to watching one of the best plasmas made, take it over an older one any day. Just grateful to have bought one before the end.

Wow. Just.... Wow. You actually turned a comment about the sensitivity of the VT60s screen to scratches and marks as a knock against the entire display including it's picture quality which I stated nothing about. Nice to see the posters here are as rationale and level headed as they were the last time I was here.

Aaand I'm back to ignoring his thread for another month. Later fellas.

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Wow. Just.... Wow. You actually turned a comment about the sensitivity of the VT60s screen to scratches and marks as a knock against the entire display including it's picture quality which I stated nothing about. Nice to see the posters here are as rationale and level headed as they were the last time I was here.

Aaand I'm back to ignoring his thread for another month. Later fellas.

I didn't see anything positive in your post and the assumption that the scratches came from a pen are baseless and speculative at best - you want to talk about rationale? A kid with keys or a toy could of been the problem - who knows. That being said I hope you are enjoying yours as much as am. When you come down off the cloud join us but at this point not much to discuss..

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Chad B calibrated my 65" VT60 in February, targeting a 2.2 gamma curve, using mid panel brightness (39 fL). The results were fantastic, especially at 96Hz w/ 1080p Direct ON and the Motion Smoother on Weak. I despise motion smoothing but the Weak setting actually looks better with 96Hz vs. having motion smoothing off. It does not introduce the "soap opera" effect in 96HZ mode when set to Weak; however, at 60Hz, I have the motion smoothing turned off as it produces the "soap opera" effect in spades.

Recently I had Chad B re-calibrate my set. This time I wanted a BT.1886 gamma curve with high panel brightness. The results are spectacular! Light output is 46 fL. I view my VT60 in a light-controlled room and have experienced zero eye fatigue even with lights off. Dark scenes now closely resemble the 9G Elite Kuro I once owned. I still see plenty of shadow detail, but the VT60 now rises out of black more "naturally" to my eyes. Kuro flashbacks are abundant smile.gif. The only downside to the high panel brightness calibration is a minimal increase in dithering with really dark material, but it's not noticeable from normal seating distance. It's worth the trade off for the added light output. Images now pop with a highly detailed 3D effect I've never before seen on a 1080p display. Chad B utilizes techniques that result in very accurate and satisfying high panel brightness calibrations. If you want the most out of your VT60, give Chad a shout! www.hdtvbychadb.com
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Chad B calibrated my 65" VT60 in February ...

Recently I had Chad B re-calibrate my set.
Thanks for posting your calibration comments. I've added a link to your post in the flat panel (post number two) lists that are linked in the signature area at the bottom of my post.

If you have further comments to make about your audio or video calibration, it would be great if you could use the edit command to add them to your original post. Enjoy. smile.gif
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Chad will calibrating my ZT60 next week. Can't wait to see the changes in my set.

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So I got my supposedly new Panasonic VT60 today from a webstore based in my in city. Sold to me as 'brand new straight from Panasonic'... well it doesn't look it. It looks like a display model. The screen is covered in fine scratches like its been polished with an abrasive cloth. frown.gif I doubt they'll have a new replacement.

I just emailed them, I'll see what they come back with.

So here's the problem. I can send it back to them for a full refund, but they have no replacement stock. There's a few smaller name websites with stock around, but after this experience I don't know whether I can trust them or not.

The question is whether or not I keep the TV I've got, or get the refund and risk never owning a VT60 frown.gif WHAT A DECISION! What pees me off is that I love the picture, but when the thing is turned off all I can see are scratches.
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So here's the problem. I can send it back to them for a full refund, but they have no replacement stock. There's a few smaller name websites with stock around, but after this experience I don't know whether I can trust them or not.

The question is whether or not I keep the TV I've got, or get the refund and risk never owning a VT60 frown.gif WHAT A DECISION! What pees me off is that I love the picture, but when the thing is turned off all I can see are scratches.

How many hours on the panel? And, how close do you have to be to see the scratches?
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How many hours on the panel? And, how close do you have to be to see the scratches?

I've had it less than a week - not sure how many hours. They keep telling me its brand new.
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How many hours on the panel? And, how close do you have to be to see the scratches?

EDIT: Just checked the hours. It's only got 27 hours on the panel, so its not a demo, it's a manufacturing defect. To see the scratches the set has to be off, and you have to be fairly close, but they literally cover the screen, like it was polished the wrong way.
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I've had it less than a week - not sure how many hours. They keep telling me its brand new.
EDIT: Just checked the hours. It's only got 27 hours on the panel, so its not a demo, it's a manufacturing defect. To see the scratches the set has to be off, and you have to be fairly close, but they literally cover the screen, like it was polished the wrong way.

That's a crying shame! Maybe you can order one of the ones from the smaller venders and ensure it is perfect before returning this one? eek.gif

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I know it's a long shot, but are you sure those are actually scratches? I ask because whenever I clean my iPad/phone screen with a lint free cloth, it leaves small fibers behind that actually do look like scratches. They're fine and have deceived me numerous times, but when I gently reapply the cloth I can get rid of them. Again, I know it's a long shot, but who knows, maybe you're experiencing something similar.
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So here's the problem. I can send it back to them for a full refund, but they have no replacement stock. There's a few smaller name websites with stock around, but after this experience I don't know whether I can trust them or not.

The question is whether or not I keep the TV I've got, or get the refund and risk never owning a VT60 frown.gif WHAT A DECISION! What pees me off is that I love the picture, but when the thing is turned off all I can see are scratches.

My advice would be if you don't notice the scratches when it's on, keep the set and enjoy it. Just make sure they're scratches and not cracks.
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My advice would be if you don't notice the scratches when it's on, keep the set and enjoy it. Just make sure they're scratches and not cracks.

+1.

When you say close, how close are you saying? Inches or feet? Are the scratches over the entire screen or just certain areas? Post a photo if you can.
But with only 27 hours on the set, I would consider keeping it.
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So here's the problem. I can send it back to them for a full refund, but they have no replacement stock. There's a few smaller name websites with stock around, but after this experience I don't know whether I can trust them or not.

The question is whether or not I keep the TV I've got, or get the refund and risk never owning a VT60 frown.gif WHAT A DECISION! What pees me off is that I love the picture, but when the thing is turned off all I can see are scratches.

If you're anything like me it's going to drive you nuts having to look at those scratches. The real question is how good of a value the set really was. I'd have to take a considerable discount to put up with a marred screen. But then again-- if you have kids maybe you can just look at it being 'pre-scratched' and therefor won't need to murder your children when they inevitably scar it. smile.gif

As far as this sentiment of needing a vt60 before they're gone-- look, I'll bite, I bought a vt sooner than I really needed a new tv simply for the fact that it was the last, best plasma I'd ever be able to buy. But, make no mistake, if the vt I bought hadn't been on sale for a ridiculous price or had had anything obviously wrong with it I would have passed. As much as I like my set and as much as I enjoy plasma the fact of the matter is LCD isn't that bad that I'd be putting up with any shenanigans just to avoid watching one. Despite the doomsday talk and naysayers picture quality is still improving in LCD and while plasma will be greatly missed (especially in the cheap sets where the value to picture ratio is off the charts) good picture quality will always be available to buy.

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So I got my supposedly new Panasonic VT60 today from a webstore based in my in city. Sold to me as 'brand new straight from Panasonic'... well it doesn't look it. It looks like a display model. The screen is covered in fine scratches like its been polished with an abrasive cloth. frown.gif I doubt they'll have a new replacement.

I just emailed them, I'll see what they come back with.

So here's the problem. I can send it back to them for a full refund, but they have no replacement stock. There's a few smaller name websites with stock around, but after this experience I don't know whether I can trust them or not.

The question is whether or not I keep the TV I've got, or get the refund and risk never owning a VT60 frown.gif WHAT A DECISION! What pees me off is that I love the picture, but when the thing is turned off all I can see are scratches.

If you do return it, I'd consider the F8500. You lose a little PQ but you don't lose as much as the LCD alternatives.
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I've had it less than a week - not sure how many hours. They keep telling me its brand new.
EDIT: Just checked the hours. It's only got 27 hours on the panel, so its not a demo, it's a manufacturing defect. To see the scratches the set has to be off, and you have to be fairly close, but they literally cover the screen, like it was polished the wrong way.
I think your scratched front panel may be a part item that can be replaced by a repair tech. Might be worth contacting Panasonic about it.

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I think your scratched front panel may be a part item that can be replaced by a repair tech. Might be worth contacting Panasonic about it.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. Much easier than worrying about a replacement, and I won't have to worry about missing out.
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I think your scratched front panel may be a part item that can be replaced by a repair tech. Might be worth contacting Panasonic about it.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. Much easier than worrying about a replacement, and I won't have to worry about missing out.
The panel would have to be replaced and I don't know if Panasonic has kept any in stock. There have been owners who were given their money back because of the unavailability of panels.

Based on your description, I would keep the set. I might try to get a discount from the company that you bought it from.
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I have wondered what the vt picture would look like if someone popped off the ar filter. Being that there is an air gap and it's just attached around the perimeter of the panel.
And or cut it down to fit it inside the remove the air gap. biggrin.gif
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I have wondered what the vt picture would look like if someone popped off the ar filter. Being that there is an air gap and it's just attached around the perimeter of the panel.
And or cut it down to fit it inside the remove the air gap. biggrin.gif
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Yours is a perfect topic for a new thread. Start one. smile.gif
I'm not the perfect candidate to be a thread starter on this subject. Here's to hoping Maybe Jakirk will take the plunge to remove his scratched panel for us.

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Did anyone had this problem already:

 

 

 

 

Suddenly the picture shifted to the left, leaving a 10 cm right vertical band black with a red line in the middle. It is not source related, the same is also displayed in the menu and other input sources. Tried already unplugging it and complete reset, no change. Any ideas before calling Pansonic support? 

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Set pixel orbiter to "Auto".

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That has nothing to do with pixel orbiter or settings, as mentioned, the picture suddenly jumped to the left (a few cms) and now it stays there, leaving the vertical black bar with red line in the right side. The channel logo is fully there. 

 

Anyone had the same issue yet? 

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