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Old 06-01-2014, 08:51 PM
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This is what annoys me in, I would like to know the pitfalls how a display behaves when it comes to review sites. All they ever do is 10pt runs. Well, UK sites anyway. Yes, I can understand it takes more time and write up time but most review sites are quite long as it is. So why not go all the way and show it fully?

I would suspect because are VT60's only have a RGB 10 point setting control's. So they probably don't want to think outside the box, its easier that way. smile.gif

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am I to understand its normal when using standard picture setting; brightn increases substantially when going from 99 to 100 in contrast setting? I'm not pleased with this because 99 is too dimm and 100 is too bright
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To lesten the effect of image retention when watching french open tennis on the tennis channel with the ticker on the bottom of screen - am I better off watching at night with low bright setting? Also regarding image retensiionl- does the orbiter function solely as a preventative measure or is it also good to keep setting on to help with removing image retention quicker?
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am I to understand its normal when using standard picture setting; brightn increases substantially when going from 99 to 100 in contrast setting? I'm not pleased with this because 99 is too dimm and 100 is too bright
Yes, in standard mode going to 100 will brighten the picture substantially from the dim levels of anything lower. Nothing you can do about that and it is how that mode functions.

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To lesten the effect of image retention when watching french open tennis on the tennis channel with the ticker on the bottom of screen - am I better off watching at night with low bright setting? Also regarding image retensiionl- does the orbiter function solely as a preventative measure or is it also good to keep setting on to help with removing image retention quicker?
The orbiter is their to help prevent IR before it starts. Once you have IR, the orbiter is not meant to help clean it up. If you are getting IR from the ticker, you can always stretch your picture to try and remove it from the screen. I will say, I watch things all the time with tickers on my VT60 and have no problems with IR even after a couple of hours of it being on my TV.
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For those that are new to this thread, again I'll demonstrate the problem with copying settings to the VT60 series. Below are the grayscale results obtained on my 65VT60 using 1) the calibrated settings of my 60VT60, 2) the D-Nice calibration settings, and 3) the ss calibration settings. (I did not perform the strict aging process that D-Nice specifies when using his values.)

Just for reference here is my calibrated 60VT60 so you can see the difference when its values were copied to my 65VT60.





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Hey guys I have a question If you could help me please, I connect my laptop to my vt60 and anable 3d, nvidia 3dtv only supports 1080p at 23/24 hz and 720p 59/60 hz the thing is when I play a blue ray at 1080p 24hz I get a lot of annoying flickering during motion in the movie this doesn't occur when I use 720p 60hz... I'm going out of my mind trying to figure what the problem is :/ could somebody help me plz ??? frown.gif
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What are your settings on the TV?
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Hey guys I have a question If you could help me please, I connect my laptop to my vt60 and anable 3d, nvidia 3dtv only supports 1080p at 23/24 hz and 720p 59/60 hz the thing is when I play a blue ray at 1080p 24hz I get a lot of annoying flickering during motion in the movie this doesn't occur when I use 720p 60hz... I'm going out of my mind trying to figure what the problem is :/ could somebody help me plz ??? frown.gif

after you set the 1080p 24hz output on your pc, then go to your TV picture menu and go to the settings area where you see 24p mode and set it to 60hz. No more (not much) flicker after that wink.gif
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I think the 24p option is grayed out under 3d I only get it on 2d mode, the tv settings is d nice settings also I have tried the other tv modes like thx 3d but it doesn't change anything frown.gif
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Oh I see. there should be a 3D mode in the TV menu that lets you choose 60hz also.

But warning, on the VT50 (previous model) it was reported that you get more crosstalk on 60hz and less in 48 hz (but you still get flicker in 48hz).
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Do you have a link to where you read about Rec. 709 applying to limited RGB only and should be set to "native". I've never heard of this and have had my HTPC set to Rec. 709 all this time as well...


Not an easy thing to understand, though.

 

This is a 3-step-way to go.

 

First, calibrating the visible colours, gamma, colour cast to one or another standard: this is important to view video material in any form. This is the display's idea of colour.

 

Second, get full range colour values sent from your picture source to your display. Be it xvYCC or deepColor or just plain HDMI defaults. This is the digital part. Depends on your hardware at both ends of the cables and all components in-between.

 

Third, get your Source (aka Graphics driver) profiled to send the correct values to be displayed over the cable. The source should have the same idea about the color space as the display. This profile has nothing to do with calibration. Else it would be called a caliber. It is called a profile, you need to do profilation to get this. See the difference?

Most video sources can't handle profiles, computers can.

 

Thus, Rec.709 is necessary for film/video sources (no profile necessary as this is a standard), native gamut (which is no standard at all) can be used for computers. But you can use Rec.709 for computers as well (with it's own profile). There is a decision to be made. Make the profile after all other components are set up correctly and don't change anymore.

 

All of these tasks are difficult in their own fashion.

 

When done, you can start abusing the colors as to your liking.

 

 

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Hey guys after a lot of trying to resolve this matter with the 3d im about to give up... 3d movies under 720p 60hz look very good motionwise? Very smooth motion but when i turn on 1080p 23hz 3d motion looks very bad... Very annatural and kanda hurts the eyes :/ what do you guys think is better ? A full bd movie set to play at 720p 60hZ or a half sbs 1080p at 1080p 60hz ? Im very disappointed with the 3d so far i cant say i have enjoyed it :s i thought vt60 would give a very nice 3d experience but havwnt done so far frown.gif
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Hey guys after a lot of trying to resolve this matter with the 3d im about to give up... 3d movies under 720p 60hz look very good motionwise? Very smooth motion but when i turn on 1080p 23hz 3d motion looks very bad... Very annatural and kanda hurts the eyes :/ what do you guys think is better ? A full bd movie set to play at 720p 60hZ or a half sbs 1080p at 1080p 60hz ? Im very disappointed with the 3d so far i cant say i have enjoyed it :s i thought vt60 would give a very nice 3d experience but havwnt done so far frown.gif

I haven't tried a 3D BD yet but I may suggest you try the different refresh modes. I'm referring to 96/100/120hz modes and maybe try motion smoother weak. There may be more adjustments that can be tried on the BD and TV that may help your situation. Hopefully another member can bring more help.
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Hey guys after a lot of trying to resolve this matter with the 3d im about to give up... 3d movies under 720p 60hz look very good motionwise? Very smooth motion but when i turn on 1080p 23hz 3d motion looks very bad... Very annatural and kanda hurts the eyes :/ what do you guys think is better ? A full bd movie set to play at 720p 60hZ or a half sbs 1080p at 1080p 60hz ? Im very disappointed with the 3d so far i cant say i have enjoyed it :s i thought vt60 would give a very nice 3d experience but havwnt done so far frown.gif

I use 96Hz for 24p content...

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Hi Mike - do you use the motion smoother on weak with 96hz?
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Hi Mike - do you use the motion smoother on weak with 96hz?

on the VT60 it's off... on the VT50 I have it on weak...
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Hi Mike - do you use the motion smoother on weak with 96hz?

on the VT60 it's off... on the VT50 I have it on weak...
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Hey thank you for trying to help me guys i have tryed any setting combination on my tv trying to resolve the motion anomally under 1080 24hz and make the motion fluid like 720p 60hz but nothing seems to make it better unfortunately frown.gif the only thing i havent tryed is connecting the hdmi directly to the tv since i have it 3d passing viA a yamaha avr but the receiver supports 3d passthrough so i dont think thats a problem right ? I read the articles about how all high speed hdmi cables are the same so ither you get picture or you dont so i dont think its an hdmi cable issue :s do you guys get good motion out of yout htpc 3d 1080p 24hz movies ?
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No one was really talking about it over here so I thought I'd post it:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/result-201406013793.htm

To me the big take always are: 1) these last panasonic sets were a really good buy, 2) 4k is diminishing returns even at 65", and 3) OLED is damn impressive when you consider this is a first gen product that's competing against the very mature plasma and LCD products and in some ways blows them both away.

Very happy I scored this VT60 when I did for what I did. smile.gif
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No one was really talking about it over here so I thought I'd post it:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/result-201406013793.htm

To me the big take always are: 1) these last panasonic sets were a really good buy, 2) 4k is diminishing returns even at 65", and 3) OLED is damn impressive when you consider this is a first gen product that's competing against the very mature plasma and LCD products and in some ways blows them both away.

Very happy I scored this VT60 when I did for what I did. smile.gif

From that article:

The “Best TV” category was much closer, but it’s the other Panasonic, the Viera ZT plasma, which took the prize home, edging out the LG curved OLED by 10 votes to 7.

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Umm what? I posted the dang results in the ZT thread a few days ago, not like this is a revelation. tongue.gif The W comes down to 1) Motion (known weakness of 1st gen LG OLED) and 2) a larger size giving a more cinematic feel. That grayscale uniformity problem is only a bug to those who look at slides/patterns. The vote would've been even more lopsided if more folks felt the decreased motion resolution (and subsequent blur) was a major inhibitor to display enjoyment (which it isn't for me when factoring in an infinite contrast ratio...YMMV wink.gif).
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Nevermind he has both so I'm sure Vinnie isn't losing any sleep over this! biggrin.gif

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I've not gotten to the chance to see an OLED with real content, let alone calibrated. But no doubt the contrast would weigh a lot for me and I assume I would have preferred the OLED. The results are still surprising though from that vote for what it's worth.


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Even seeing The OLED in storefront conditions next to 4k lcds is a magnificent sight. 55inches spoils it a bit though.
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Is that LG 77" 4K model still scheduled to be at the Shootout?


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There is something to be said for the motion rez/processing, especially at the greater size. Watching the beast now, I can see where the preference might align with it. It's altogether a tough call!

The shootout has now been tentatively delayed until mid July, which makes it likely one or more of the OLEDs will be appearing. Fingers crossed.
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I've not gotten to the chance to see an OLED with real content, let alone calibrated. But no doubt the contrast would weigh a lot for me and I assume I would have preferred the OLED. The results are still surprising though from that vote for what it's worth.

Well you've got a product that is really in many ways the state of the art for it's respective technology and the pinnacle achievement from a company that really puts a spotlight on picture quality versus a promising technology that is really still in it's infancy from a company that is largely alone in the market and has shown more interest in features than overall quality of image. I'd say, all things considered, the OLED still did amazingly good! smile.gif

What's really damning for videophiles is the fact that none of the top 4k ultra LED LCDs received a single vote in the best picture overall category. It wasn't so long ago that we were talking about the sharp elites and how that tech might give LCD a fighting chance in the picture quality race and here we are in 2014 and there isn't one top tier LCD that can hang with a discontinued plasma and a fledgling OLED set selling at an obscene price. It looks like whatever made the elites look so good was just too expensive to pursue on a more mainstream model.

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^Tons of zones for one! That Vizio R is the only thing that promises to eclipse let alone match up with the zone #, and it's at a much greater risk of being vaporware than materializing, which leaves the Sony XBR-950B and its 144 or 160 zones (less than the Sharp Elite).
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Panasonic should have continued their "1500 LEDs as 1500 dimming zones" technology, but I guess not. LEDs have become affordable, but not THAT affordable.
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why do D-Nice's/SillySally's settings set the HDMI range to standard of 16-255 instead of 0-255? I thought extended had more depth and stuff, no?
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