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post #14401 of 15568 Old 05-31-2014, 04:46 PM
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Out of curiosity, how is your 20 point run?

Sorry but when I ran this test six months ago, I used only 11 points. I assume that you are interested in the 95% gray point. If so, from the data I presented, I doubt that there is any visually significant deviation there.

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So now im trying D-Nice's settings, and in it, he says

"Pro Settings
Panel Brightness: Mid
AGC: 0
Black Extension: 0
Color Gamut: Normal"

there is no "normal" setting for color gamut. does he mean "native" or "rec709" ?

The "normal" Gamut is Rec 709.

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Out of curiosity, how is your 20 point run?

Yes when you run a 21 point Grayscale you probably will see considerable variations in the old points (5,15,25 ect). I have run up to 100 point Grayscale, and that will really open your eye's.
Are VT60's only have 10 point RGB adjustments, so if you are not looking a the bigger (True) picture, what appears as a good 10 point grayscale, RGB balance and gamma can be rather sub par.

So some may ask, how do I overcome that. point limitation, the only way you can is by running a 21 point or large grayscale. Using the controls of are VT60's you can pretty much ballance out the between points (5,15,25 ect, not easy but it should be done.wink.gif

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I'm running sillysally's Pro rec.709 settings on my 55vt60 and I'm pretty happy with it. Previously I was using THX Cinema which was a bit too dark and I hated the orange tint in skin tones. Silly Sally's settings fixed this right up. I did however make a few tweaks which was run 2.2 Gamma and run brightness at 3+. My Disney WOW test patterns were showing crushed blacks so these little tweaks fixed that problem making it much easier to see shadow detail without too much haziness in the overall picture.

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I'm running sillysally's Pro rec.709 settings on my 55vt60 and I'm pretty happy with it. Previously I was using THX Cinema which was a bit too dark and I hated the orange tint in skin tones. Silly Sally's settings fixed this right up. I did however make a few tweaks which was run 2.2 Gamma and run brightness at 3+. My Disney WOW test patterns were showing crushed blacks so these little tweaks fixed that problem making it much easier to see shadow detail without too much haziness in the overall picture.

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That was my idea when I made those settings, so the user could tweak with there WOW disc.
After all, what guy doesn't like to play with there TV setting a little.wink.gif

Glad you are enjoying those setting.smile.gif

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That was my idea when I made those settings, so the user could tweak with there WOW disc.
After all, what guy doesn't like to play with there TV setting a little.wink.gif

Glad you are enjoying those setting.smile.gif

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I do thank you. However I do find that in some scenes I prefer 2.2 Gamma and other 2.4. For example, a dark outer space scene looks better to me in 2.4 Gamma. With 2.2 the black of space looks a bit too grey for my liking. Indoor scenes with people in frame etc look better in 2.2. What does a guy do smile.gif

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I programmed D-NICE's settings into the pro modes 1 and 2, and sillysally's into "custom". I watched the madmen s02 blu-ray disc 1 last night with D-NICE's night settings but I wasnt impressed (although it could be that mad men was filmed intentionally so grainy that this isnt a fair comment). Things seem a bit muted on my set with D-NICE's settings but I'll change between the two for a week and see which I like more.
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Is there anywhere i can find D nice, and Silly Sally's settings? I did a search but dint come up with anything. Want to try something other than the thx settings on my VT.
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I'd try going back a bit in this thread, like in the past 2 days, your answers are there including links:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467563/official-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/14370#post_24777096

I get not wanting to go through all 481 pages, but these weren't that far back smile.gif
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Yes when you run a 21 point Grayscale you probably will see considerable variations in the old points (5,15,25 ect). I have run up to 100 point Grayscale, and that will really open your eye's.
Are VT60's only have 10 point RGB adjustments, so if you are not looking a the bigger (True) picture, what appears as a good 10 point grayscale, RGB balance and gamma can be rather sub par.

So some may ask, how do I overcome that. point limitation, the only way you can is by running a 21 point or large grayscale. Using the controls of are VT60's you can pretty much ballance out the between points (5,15,25 ect, not easy but it should be done.wink.gif

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This is what annoys me in, I would like to know the pitfalls how a display behaves when it comes to review sites. All they ever do is 10pt runs. Well, UK sites anyway. Yes, I can understand it takes more time and write up time but most review sites are quite long as it is. So why not go all the way and show it fully?
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This is what annoys me in, I would like to know the pitfalls how a display behaves when it comes to review sites. All they ever do is 10pt runs. Well, UK sites anyway. Yes, I can understand it takes more time and write up time but most review sites are quite long as it is. So why not go all the way and show it fully?

I would suspect because are VT60's only have a RGB 10 point setting control's. So they probably don't want to think outside the box, its easier that way. smile.gif

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am I to understand its normal when using standard picture setting; brightn increases substantially when going from 99 to 100 in contrast setting? I'm not pleased with this because 99 is too dimm and 100 is too bright
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To lesten the effect of image retention when watching french open tennis on the tennis channel with the ticker on the bottom of screen - am I better off watching at night with low bright setting? Also regarding image retensiionl- does the orbiter function solely as a preventative measure or is it also good to keep setting on to help with removing image retention quicker?
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am I to understand its normal when using standard picture setting; brightn increases substantially when going from 99 to 100 in contrast setting? I'm not pleased with this because 99 is too dimm and 100 is too bright
Yes, in standard mode going to 100 will brighten the picture substantially from the dim levels of anything lower. Nothing you can do about that and it is how that mode functions.

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To lesten the effect of image retention when watching french open tennis on the tennis channel with the ticker on the bottom of screen - am I better off watching at night with low bright setting? Also regarding image retensiionl- does the orbiter function solely as a preventative measure or is it also good to keep setting on to help with removing image retention quicker?
The orbiter is their to help prevent IR before it starts. Once you have IR, the orbiter is not meant to help clean it up. If you are getting IR from the ticker, you can always stretch your picture to try and remove it from the screen. I will say, I watch things all the time with tickers on my VT60 and have no problems with IR even after a couple of hours of it being on my TV.
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For those that are new to this thread, again I'll demonstrate the problem with copying settings to the VT60 series. Below are the grayscale results obtained on my 65VT60 using 1) the calibrated settings of my 60VT60, 2) the D-Nice calibration settings, and 3) the ss calibration settings. (I did not perform the strict aging process that D-Nice specifies when using his values.)

Just for reference here is my calibrated 60VT60 so you can see the difference when its values were copied to my 65VT60.





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Hey guys I have a question If you could help me please, I connect my laptop to my vt60 and anable 3d, nvidia 3dtv only supports 1080p at 23/24 hz and 720p 59/60 hz the thing is when I play a blue ray at 1080p 24hz I get a lot of annoying flickering during motion in the movie this doesn't occur when I use 720p 60hz... I'm going out of my mind trying to figure what the problem is :/ could somebody help me plz ??? frown.gif
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What are your settings on the TV?
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Hey guys I have a question If you could help me please, I connect my laptop to my vt60 and anable 3d, nvidia 3dtv only supports 1080p at 23/24 hz and 720p 59/60 hz the thing is when I play a blue ray at 1080p 24hz I get a lot of annoying flickering during motion in the movie this doesn't occur when I use 720p 60hz... I'm going out of my mind trying to figure what the problem is :/ could somebody help me plz ??? frown.gif

after you set the 1080p 24hz output on your pc, then go to your TV picture menu and go to the settings area where you see 24p mode and set it to 60hz. No more (not much) flicker after that wink.gif
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I think the 24p option is grayed out under 3d I only get it on 2d mode, the tv settings is d nice settings also I have tried the other tv modes like thx 3d but it doesn't change anything frown.gif
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Oh I see. there should be a 3D mode in the TV menu that lets you choose 60hz also.

But warning, on the VT50 (previous model) it was reported that you get more crosstalk on 60hz and less in 48 hz (but you still get flicker in 48hz).
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Do you have a link to where you read about Rec. 709 applying to limited RGB only and should be set to "native". I've never heard of this and have had my HTPC set to Rec. 709 all this time as well...


Not an easy thing to understand, though.

 

This is a 3-step-way to go.

 

First, calibrating the visible colours, gamma, colour cast to one or another standard: this is important to view video material in any form. This is the display's idea of colour.

 

Second, get full range colour values sent from your picture source to your display. Be it xvYCC or deepColor or just plain HDMI defaults. This is the digital part. Depends on your hardware at both ends of the cables and all components in-between.

 

Third, get your Source (aka Graphics driver) profiled to send the correct values to be displayed over the cable. The source should have the same idea about the color space as the display. This profile has nothing to do with calibration. Else it would be called a caliber. It is called a profile, you need to do profilation to get this. See the difference?

Most video sources can't handle profiles, computers can.

 

Thus, Rec.709 is necessary for film/video sources (no profile necessary as this is a standard), native gamut (which is no standard at all) can be used for computers. But you can use Rec.709 for computers as well (with it's own profile). There is a decision to be made. Make the profile after all other components are set up correctly and don't change anymore.

 

All of these tasks are difficult in their own fashion.

 

When done, you can start abusing the colors as to your liking.

 

 

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Hey guys after a lot of trying to resolve this matter with the 3d im about to give up... 3d movies under 720p 60hz look very good motionwise? Very smooth motion but when i turn on 1080p 23hz 3d motion looks very bad... Very annatural and kanda hurts the eyes :/ what do you guys think is better ? A full bd movie set to play at 720p 60hZ or a half sbs 1080p at 1080p 60hz ? Im very disappointed with the 3d so far i cant say i have enjoyed it :s i thought vt60 would give a very nice 3d experience but havwnt done so far frown.gif
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Hey guys after a lot of trying to resolve this matter with the 3d im about to give up... 3d movies under 720p 60hz look very good motionwise? Very smooth motion but when i turn on 1080p 23hz 3d motion looks very bad... Very annatural and kanda hurts the eyes :/ what do you guys think is better ? A full bd movie set to play at 720p 60hZ or a half sbs 1080p at 1080p 60hz ? Im very disappointed with the 3d so far i cant say i have enjoyed it :s i thought vt60 would give a very nice 3d experience but havwnt done so far frown.gif

I haven't tried a 3D BD yet but I may suggest you try the different refresh modes. I'm referring to 96/100/120hz modes and maybe try motion smoother weak. There may be more adjustments that can be tried on the BD and TV that may help your situation. Hopefully another member can bring more help.
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Hey guys after a lot of trying to resolve this matter with the 3d im about to give up... 3d movies under 720p 60hz look very good motionwise? Very smooth motion but when i turn on 1080p 23hz 3d motion looks very bad... Very annatural and kanda hurts the eyes :/ what do you guys think is better ? A full bd movie set to play at 720p 60hZ or a half sbs 1080p at 1080p 60hz ? Im very disappointed with the 3d so far i cant say i have enjoyed it :s i thought vt60 would give a very nice 3d experience but havwnt done so far frown.gif

I use 96Hz for 24p content...

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Hi Mike - do you use the motion smoother on weak with 96hz?
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Hi Mike - do you use the motion smoother on weak with 96hz?

on the VT60 it's off... on the VT50 I have it on weak...
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Hi Mike - do you use the motion smoother on weak with 96hz?

on the VT60 it's off... on the VT50 I have it on weak...
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Hey thank you for trying to help me guys i have tryed any setting combination on my tv trying to resolve the motion anomally under 1080 24hz and make the motion fluid like 720p 60hz but nothing seems to make it better unfortunately frown.gif the only thing i havent tryed is connecting the hdmi directly to the tv since i have it 3d passing viA a yamaha avr but the receiver supports 3d passthrough so i dont think thats a problem right ? I read the articles about how all high speed hdmi cables are the same so ither you get picture or you dont so i dont think its an hdmi cable issue :s do you guys get good motion out of yout htpc 3d 1080p 24hz movies ?
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No one was really talking about it over here so I thought I'd post it:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/result-201406013793.htm

To me the big take always are: 1) these last panasonic sets were a really good buy, 2) 4k is diminishing returns even at 65", and 3) OLED is damn impressive when you consider this is a first gen product that's competing against the very mature plasma and LCD products and in some ways blows them both away.

Very happy I scored this VT60 when I did for what I did. smile.gif
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No one was really talking about it over here so I thought I'd post it:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/result-201406013793.htm

To me the big take always are: 1) these last panasonic sets were a really good buy, 2) 4k is diminishing returns even at 65", and 3) OLED is damn impressive when you consider this is a first gen product that's competing against the very mature plasma and LCD products and in some ways blows them both away.

Very happy I scored this VT60 when I did for what I did. smile.gif

From that article:

The “Best TV” category was much closer, but it’s the other Panasonic, the Viera ZT plasma, which took the prize home, edging out the LG curved OLED by 10 votes to 7.

Ummm, Vinny?! smile.gif

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Umm what? I posted the dang results in the ZT thread a few days ago, not like this is a revelation. tongue.gif The W comes down to 1) Motion (known weakness of 1st gen LG OLED) and 2) a larger size giving a more cinematic feel. That grayscale uniformity problem is only a bug to those who look at slides/patterns. The vote would've been even more lopsided if more folks felt the decreased motion resolution (and subsequent blur) was a major inhibitor to display enjoyment (which it isn't for me when factoring in an infinite contrast ratio...YMMV wink.gif).
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