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post #14521 of 15568 Old 06-16-2014, 05:13 PM
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Sorry if this has been covered but I'm about to pick up a PS4. Can you anyone suggest the correct settings for the VT60? Mostly concerned with output - RGB Full/Limited etc.
If you don't want YCbCr, then set PS4 to RGB Full. The VT60 is set to Limited by default, you'll have to go to Advanced Picture>HDMI/DVI RGB Range and set your input to Auto(recommended) or Nonstandard.

Question for the videophiles. Since the VT60 can do true YCbCr 4:4:4, should I use YCbCr444 on PC gaming with "1080p Pure Direct"? Or does Full RGB really give me the best result?

It's just getting really annoying switching between the two color formats for games and movies, topped by the "Pure Direct" setting since apparently it decodes RGB very badly.
I will tell you that when Chad B. Calibrated my TV he determined setting my Oppo 103 to RGB provided best detail and color resolution.
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I will tell you that when Chad B. Calibrated my TV he determined setting my Oppo 103 to RGB provided best detail and color resolution.
Interesting! Might give that a try and run some tests. Can you tell me what other settings he used for the 103? Deep Color etc?
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I will tell you that when Chad B. Calibrated my TV he determined setting my Oppo 103 to RGB provided best detail and color resolution.
When my zt-60 was calib by D-nice it was done in rgb movies mastered in 4k like Elysium look spectacular
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I must've missed that Cnet memo/remark/finding.

Actually, I was thinking long-term here, beyond the break-in and into the thousands of hours of usage. Inevitable upwards drift? I would like to see some evidence of that as well. I know some Kuros have done it (along with more extreme cases with Viera models from earlier years) but have seen no evidence to suggest that yet on the 2013 models.
David Mackenzie has some interesting remarks to make about his S60 with 7000+ hours on the clock:

"Black level measured at 0.009 cd/m2, the same as the 50-series when new. I wonder what it was when this thing was new? Either way, it's excellent and would suggest Panasonic did fix the rising black issue."

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Different model, but nevertheless that does make me somewhat hopeful.
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David Mackenzie has some interesting remarks to make about his S60 with 7000+ hours on the clock:

"Black level measured at 0.009 cd/m2, the same as the 50-series when new. I wonder what it was when this thing was new? Either way, it's excellent and would suggest Panasonic did fix the rising black issue."

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http://forums.hdtvtest.co.uk/index.php?topic=9172.0

Different model, but nevertheless that does make me somewhat hopeful.
My understanding is that the rising black "feature" was eliminated in 2012 when Panasonic changed the panel driving method. I have never seen any reports of rising blacks on either the 2012 or 2013 models.

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My understanding is that the rising black "feature" was eliminated in 2012 when Panasonic changed the panel driving method. I have never seen any reports of rising blacks on either the 2012 or 2013 models.
Agreed.

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My understanding is that the rising black "feature" was eliminated in 2012 when Panasonic changed the panel driving method. I have never seen any reports of rising blacks on either the 2012 or 2013 models.
Certainly, the black level of my 2012 model (UK GT50) did not rise in any visible way.
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David Mackenzie has some interesting remarks to make about his S60 with 7000+ hours on the clock:

"Black level measured at 0.009 cd/m2, the same as the 50-series when new. I wonder what it was when this thing was new? Either way, it's excellent and would suggest Panasonic did fix the rising black issue."

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http://forums.hdtvtest.co.uk/index.php?topic=9172.0

Different model, but nevertheless that does make me somewhat hopeful.
Ya and this is a s60 which were measured around .0025 in a few reviews last year, looks like the blacks didn't budge after 7000+ hours.

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I've noticed absolutely zero IR on my VT60 thus far. It's remarkable to me because my ST60 would seriously display IR in mere seconds of displaying content even when at a modest 55 contrast.

I game a lot and the VT in my opinion is the best gaming set out right now no doubt. We'll see how it fairs next week when I'm playing tons of EA UFC on it - it should be fine being that I'm playing at a pedestrian 55 contrast (still fantastic pop).
65" VT60 here.

World of Tanks has left a faint circle on the bottom of both sides, where the map and tank view (whatever it's called) are. Have run screen wipe a bit. Got a little better, but still there.
Have not been playing the game for hours and hours on end with no break. A couple hours in the evenings.
Hope it'll get better. Pretty disappointed about it right now. Had the TV since Thanksgiving, no issues with it so far until now.
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BTW, anyone have any lumps on the speaker grills of the VT60? I can see them if I look closely, especially in the sunlight and feel them if I run my finger down the grills. I have 2 on the left grill near the middle. I can't capture it clearly on camera.
Here is an image of what I am talking about. I'd appreciate it if other VT60 owners can check their set and see if they have the same bumps.


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Just got back from vacation and was greeted by the seven blinks.

Ah, what fun.
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Here is an image of what I am talking about. I'd appreciate it if other VT60 owners can check their set and see if they have the same bumps.


I don't have anything like your picture indicates, although there is some very minor "non-smoothness" near the middle of each grill on both sides. You certainly can't see it though, even when shining a light on it, and I'd never, ever have noticed if I hadn't slid my finger up and down the grills.
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Here is an image of what I am talking about. I'd appreciate it if other VT60 owners can check their set and see if they have the same bumps.


So... I would just stop running your finger down the speaker grille and start enjoying your VT60.
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Here is an image of what I am talking about. I'd appreciate it if other VT60 owners can check their set and see if they have the same bumps.
Nothing like that on mine, can you see it while viewing content?
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Nothing like that on mine, can you see it while viewing content?
Nope, I was just curious, that's all


The pic was taken with strong sunlight hitting the TV.
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Tcp55vt60 camera adjustment?

The camera on my TCP55VT60 when using Skype points to high. If we want to be in the picture we would have to stand on a box. The set sits on a normal size stand and from floor to camera is 57". I have not tried unscrewing it and trying to monkey with it. Enclosed picture shows the camera on the top of the set. Any suggestions? Thank you.
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Just tilt the camera down. you can grab it and rotate it, just the small center part rotates, a least I'm pretty sure it does. I'm at work so not in front of the tv.

Looks like the same stand I have.
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Just tilt the camera down. you can grab it and rotate it, just the small center part rotates, a least I'm pretty sure it does. I'm at work so not in front of the tv.

Looks like the same stand I have.
Yes, the camera does rotate up and down.
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Just got back from vacation and was greeted by the seven blinks.

Ah, what fun.
What are the seven blinks?
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Seven blinks indicate either a bad upper scan board (SU) or a bad lower scan board (SD). The only solution is replacement of the board.

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Wow, talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. Thank you to all who replied to my question about adjusting the camera. You guys were totally correct and I will seek help for my eye site.
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Hoping for some help / advice.
Just picked up a p55vt60a. They had no more new models in stock only one display model left.
I am replacing an older V series screen (P50V10a).

The overall brightness / luminescence on the VT60 seems very low, especially in comparison to my older V10 panel.
For television ALL the default setting are way too dark even at night in a dark room. The only setting usable for TV is THX Bright Room setting (even in a dark room).

My concern is that the panel has an issue being generally darker than it should be. Is this possible?
Is it normal that all modes (except THX Bright Room) are too dark out of the box day or night??
Should my 5 year old V10 be brighter than a new V60??

Thanks
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Wow, talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. Thank you to all who replied to my question about adjusting the camera. You guys were totally correct and I will seek help for my eye site.
Unfortunately the camera does not swivel left to right or even the stand so you still need to be center at all times which is pretty annoying, especially when you use skype with a 3 year old and he never wants to stay in the middle. I usually end up just using my phone or tablet, much easier.

Wish Panasonic would have included some other features to use with the camera.
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Hoping for some help / advice.
Just picked up a p55vt60a. They had no more new models in stock only one display model left.
I am replacing an older V series screen (P50V10a).

The overall brightness / luminescence on the VT60 seems very low, especially in comparison to my older V10 panel.
For television ALL the default setting are way too dark even at night in a dark room. The only setting usable for TV is THX Bright Room setting (even in a dark room).

My concern is that the panel has an issue being generally darker than it should be. Is this possible?
Is it normal that all modes (except THX Bright Room) are too dark out of the box day or night??
Should my 5 year old V10 be brighter than a new V60??Thanks
I have a G10(similar to V10) and a VT60 and ran the VT at mid panel in pro modes( wanted pixel orbiter for sure) at 96 contrast when new just because of the same issue, seemed dim. After a week or two I was able to put down the contrast to the high 60's with no issue. Maybe i got used to it or the panel changed, hard to say. The G still seems a bit brighter in the mid/high APl but the black levels of the V still trump it for sure. I've found I can get it pretty bright with settings. I was wincing at the tv yesterday and had to tone it down because it was too bright, lol! At near to 2k hours now.
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Unfortunately the camera does not swivel left to right or even the stand so you still need to be center at all times which is pretty annoying, especially when you use skype with a 3 year old and he never wants to stay in the middle. I usually end up just using my phone or tablet, much easier.

Wish Panasonic would have included some other features to use with the camera.
Your correct about the 3 year old. In my case it's the lazy Grandfather who wants to be seated while talking to the 3 year old.
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I am stumped about a hum when watching a light-colored image on my 65VT60. I've read about humming plasmas, ground loops, bad transformers, and so forth, but this hum is coming from my front speakers. I am unsure where to start diagnosis, because the hum does not come from the transformer area, but rather from the tweeters in my front external tower speakers. No recent changes in settings or hardware. The system is about a year old, this issue started about a month ago. I wonder if the receiver or speakers are getting some current induced from the plasma, and plan to eliminate every possible source one at a time, but wondered if you had any ideas that might aid the diagnosis.

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I took out the UPS's powering the Denon and Panasonic, thinking the approximated sine wave might be the issue. I have a Monoprice power conditioner powering peripherals coming out next. Then I plan to remove all inputs save the cable box. I am getting much pixelation and such with it, as if it were also affected by some radiating field, ground loop, current anomaly, or signal distortion, and will swap the same model from another room to see if that issue follows it.

It seems like the plasma is inducing some field in the receiver or something, since the tower speaker's distance from the plasma does not seem to affect the issue. I'm wondering if I have some power issue or radiation gone wild, but hardly know where to start other than taking the whole system apart and adding one component back at a time (ugh). If you have any rifle shots rather than that shotgun blast approach I would love to hear it. I'd make a service call to Panasonic if the hum was coming from the TV itself, but it's coming from the external front speakers. Thanks in advance.
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Check your cables. Hum can be created by cheap cables or when two cables are crossing each other. Pay particular attention to the power cables.
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I am stumped about a hum when watching a light-colored image on my 65VT60. I've read about humming plasmas, ground loops, bad transformers, and so forth, but this hum is coming from my front speakers.
Given that plasmas hum on light colored images, and it can be tricky to isolate the source of a noise, I would verify the hum disappears when I disconnect the speaker wires, or at least verify it tracks the receiver volume level.

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I took out the UPS's powering the Denon and Panasonic, thinking the approximated sine wave might be the issue.
What kind of UPS? The common ones pass through wall power when they're not operating from battery, and it's only when operating from battery that they output stepped-sine wave.

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Then I plan to remove all inputs save the cable box. I am getting much pixelation and such with it, as if it were also affected by some radiating field, ground loop, current anomaly, or signal distortion, and will swap the same model from another room to see if that issue follows it. It seems like the plasma is inducing some field in the receiver or something, since the tower speaker's distance from the plasma does not seem to affect the issue. I'm wondering if I have some power issue or radiation gone wild, but hardly know where to start other than taking the whole system apart and adding one component back at a time (ugh). If you have any rifle shots rather than that shotgun blast approach I would love to hear it. I'd make a service call to Panasonic if the hum was coming from the TV itself, but it's coming from the external front speakers. Thanks in advance.
Simplifying the system and adding things back is all I know to do, but I would definitely first verify it is indeed coming from the speakers. In fact, I'd pray that I was fooling myself, and it's the TV doing the ordinary plasma buzz. That said, if you're getting pixelation from the cable box, that would be the thing to start with.
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Given that plasmas hum on light colored images, and it can be tricky to isolate the source of a noise, I would verify the hum disappears when I disconnect the speaker wires, or at least verify it tracks the receiver volume level.

What kind of UPS? The common ones pass through wall power when they're not operating from battery, and it's only when operating from battery that they output stepped-sine wave.

Simplifying the system and adding things back is all I know to do, but I would definitely first verify it is indeed coming from the speakers. In fact, I'd pray that I was fooling myself, and it's the TV doing the ordinary plasma buzz. That said, if you're getting pixelation from the cable box, that would be the thing to start with.
Thanks for the replies.

I will check the cable dressing in the morning: I thought I had everything pretty well run, but we have cats, and who knows what may go on back there.

I'm trying to study up on ground loops, isolation transformers, and such (this is a 1930's house, wired who knows how, with a 1970's addition, basically two wiring systems), and it seems to me that perhaps I should be running the whole system from one receptacle (I had them spread around since 2000W+ seems like a lot for one power outlet).

I am considering, after removing all antennae, IR remote sensors, and peripherals except for the (swapped) cable box and dressing the cables rigorously, going from Mains > Monoprice Power Conditioner > three CyberPower CST1300AL UPS's, with the Denon and Panasonic each on their own UPS. If that neither explodes the house nor fixes the issue, I will look into Isolation Transformers. Might work, might not, but I am not aware of an electrician in the area who knows much about this sort of thing.

I could have a dedicated circuit installed with a truly proper ground, but then I read that after the circuit enters the house it may be best to break that ground (hence the isolation transformer), so I am having to learn stuff about things I would prefer to "just work". Oh well. I'd rather be watching video, however.

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It seems like the plasma is inducing some field in the receiver or something, since the tower speaker's distance from the plasma does not seem to affect the issue. I'm wondering if I have some power issue or radiation gone wild, but hardly know where to start other than taking the whole system apart and adding one component back at a time (ugh). If you have any rifle shots rather than that shotgun blast approach I would love to hear it. I'd make a service call to Panasonic if the hum was coming from the TV itself, but it's coming from the external front speakers. Thanks in advance.
I have a similarly strange problem with mine, bright screens cause my voltage regulator to hum. It sounds more like an electric hum than a fan (i'm not even sure there is a fan inside), but it is very reproducible. It doesn't seem to be related to load specifically. If I turn on a bunch of other components and spike the amp draw, it is still silent, but regardless of the amps, when the TV is bright, it hums.

I ended up buying a second voltage regulator to plug the tv directly into, but they're both plugged into the same outlet, and the old voltage regulator still hums when the TV has a bright screen displayed, even though the TV isn't plugged in to it.

About a week after getting the TV, the subwoofer would play a loud noise from time to time, and always when turning the TV off, and then the subwoofer amp died about a week after that. It was 10 years old, so it could have just been it's time to go, but I wondered the same thing, if the TV is backfeeding or otherwise messing with the power.
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