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Old 06-23-2014, 05:09 PM
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I think the point that djsketchie made is D-Nice said the VT60 drifted so much that the re-cal was more like a full calibration.

It would be interesting to find out whether D-Nice really meant all VT60s or just the one that he was working on. Both of my VT60 units required only minor adjustments with 2000 hours after the initial calibrations. My 65VT60 drifted a bit more than my 60VT60.

Larry

Thanks for the info Larry
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I think the point that djsketchie made is D-Nice said the VT60 drifted so much that the re-cal was more like a full calibration.

It would be interesting to find out whether D-Nice really meant all VT60s or just the one that he was working on. Both of my VT60 units required only minor adjustments with 2000 hours after the initial calibrations. My 65VT60 drifted a bit more than my 60VT60.

Larry
He said all the VT60s he's worked on have had this characteristic regardless of the number of hours. So basically they don't really settle in after the usual 300-500 hours of break in was the impression I got from him. I'm no expert - just relaying info gleaned from my "re-cal."
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Can you post your before and after reports ?

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Can you post your before and after reports ?
I'll try to upload/link them tomorrow when I have time. It's been a long day and ready to hit the hay.
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He said all the VT60s he's worked on have had this characteristic regardless of the number of hours. So basically they don't really settle in after the usual 300-500 hours of break in was the impression I got from him. I'm no expert - just relaying info gleaned from my "re-cal."
Do they charge less for the re-cal? Wonder how long after the calibration the TV will drift to where it is no longer close to calibrated results. That would suck to pay all that money for a calibration then 300 or so hours later the results are no better then using a default mode or someone else's settings.
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Hey guys - tried to upload my pre and post calibration reports, but it says the file size for PDFs is limited to 19.5KB, and mine are like 120-130KB. Not sure what the workaround is, but I doubt I'll bother hosting them somewhere just to provide a download link. In any case, the reds had gone through the roof compared to the blue and green, which was the main problem. The gamma still tracked the 2.22 line pretty well, and the color temperature had gone from the 6,500K ideal down to about 6,000 across the board.

My first calibration was done before he/everyone else figured out how to get panel brightness high accurate, so my ISF-Day was 35ft/L and my ISF-Night was 30ft/L. The new report has my ISF-Day at 48ft/L and my ISF-Night at 35ft/L, which was the increase in light output I had been looking for. The previous calibration also used the Warm2 color temp for both ISF-Day and ISF-Night, while this go around, he used the Normal color temp for both.

He does indeed charge less for a re-cal, but I'm a little hesitant to disclose what he charged me in case that's crossing some sort of unspoken line. If you're truly interested in his prices, I'm sure you can contact him directly for that information.

So basically, the gamma was still pretty good and the color temp was a little low, but it was the RGB that was the main culprit in terms of drifting.
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Hey guys - tried to upload my pre and post calibration reports, but it says the file size for PDFs is limited to 19.5KB, and mine are like 120-130KB. Not sure what the workaround is, but I doubt I'll bother hosting them somewhere just to provide a download link. In any case, the reds had gone through the roof compared to the blue and green, which was the main problem. The gamma still tracked the 2.22 line pretty well, and the color temperature had gone from the 6,500K ideal down to about 6,000 across the board.

My first calibration was done before he/everyone else figured out how to get panel brightness high accurate, so my ISF-Day was 35ft/L and my ISF-Night was 30ft/L. The new report has my ISF-Day at 48ft/L and my ISF-Night at 35ft/L, which was the increase in light output I had been looking for. The previous calibration also used the Warm2 color temp for both ISF-Day and ISF-Night, while this go around, he used the Normal color temp for both.

He does indeed charge less for a re-cal, but I'm a little hesitant to disclose what he charged me in case that's crossing some sort of unspoken line. If you're truly interested in his prices, I'm sure you can contact him directly for that information.

So basically, the gamma was still pretty good and the color temp was a little low, but it was the RGB that was the main culprit in terms of drifting.
Thanks, I wasn't looking for exact numbers. I was just curious if they charged less when they come back to re-cal.
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I think the point that djsketchie made is D-Nice said the VT60 drifted so much that the re-cal was more like a full calibration.

It would be interesting to find out whether D-Nice really meant all VT60s or just the one that he was working on. Both of my VT60 units required only minor adjustments with 2000 hours after the initial calibrations. My 65VT60 drifted a bit more than my 60VT60.

Larry
I had Chad out a couple of times last year on my VT60 (mostly for gamma and light output changes) and there was only minor change in color and greyscale after the 400 hour mark to around 1000 hours or so.


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Thanks, I wasn't looking for exact numbers. I was just curious if they charged less when they come back to re-cal.
Yes, every calibrator I know of charges much less for a re-cal compared to the initial one.


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In any case, the reds had gone through the roof compared to the blue and green, which was the main problem.
New formula red phosphor implicated, perhaps?
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Hey guys - tried to upload my pre and post calibration reports, but it says the file size for PDFs is limited to 19.5KB, and mine are like 120-130KB. Not sure what the workaround is, but I doubt I'll bother hosting them somewhere just to provide a download link. In any case, the reds had gone through the roof compared to the blue and green, which was the main problem. The gamma still tracked the 2.22 line pretty well, and the color temperature had gone from the 6,500K ideal down to about 6,000 across the board.

My first calibration was done before he/everyone else figured out how to get panel brightness high accurate, so my ISF-Day was 35ft/L and my ISF-Night was 30ft/L. The new report has my ISF-Day at 48ft/L and my ISF-Night at 35ft/L, which was the increase in light output I had been looking for. The previous calibration also used the Warm2 color temp for both ISF-Day and ISF-Night, while this go around, he used the Normal color temp for both.

He does indeed charge less for a re-cal, but I'm a little hesitant to disclose what he charged me in case that's crossing some sort of unspoken line. If you're truly interested in his prices, I'm sure you can contact him directly for that information.

So basically, the gamma was still pretty good and the color temp was a little low, but it was the RGB that was the main culprit in terms of drifting.

Thanks for the details sounds like he calibrated with high panel brightness the second time around. That is pretty much what I expected. Panasonic greyscale tends to drift towards red so no surprises there.

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Do they charge less for the re-cal? Wonder how long after the calibration the TV will drift to where it is no longer close to calibrated results. That would suck to pay all that money for a calibration then 300 or so hours later the results are no better then using a default mode or someone else's settings.

Except that is not the case, Larry's set barely drifted after 2000 hours and David has confirmed his set drifted very little in 800 hours. So let's not panic here

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Except that is not the case, Larry's set barely drifted after 2000 hours and David has confirmed his set drifted very little in 800 hours. So let's not panic here
I wasn't trying to start a panic or anything - Just relaying info to interested parties here at the forum. He'll probably be back out here in a month or so to calibrate another TV of mine that didn't have enough hours yet, so I'll ask if he wants to take some baseline measurements to see if there is any drift since the re-cal for curiosity's sake. Even with the drift from the initial calibration, it was still noticeably better than either of the THX presets, so even if I hadn't had the re-cal, the original calibration would have still been worth it just for the gamma and color temperature stability alone. I also think I read somewhere that color accuracy is pretty low down on the list of priorities when it comes to human perception behind contrast, gamma, and temperature.

I guess I'm lucky that D-Nice lives close enough to not require a special "tour" in my area.
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I wasn't trying to start a panic or anything - Just relaying info to interested parties here at the forum. He'll probably be back out here in a month or so to calibrate another TV of mine that didn't have enough hours yet, so I'll ask if he wants to take some baseline measurements to see if there is any drift since the re-cal for curiosity's sake. Even with the drift from the initial calibration, it was still noticeably better than either of the THX presets, so even if I hadn't had the re-cal, the original calibration would have still been worth it just for the gamma and color temperature stability alone. I also think I read somewhere that color accuracy is pretty low down on the list of priorities when it comes to human perception behind contrast, gamma, and temperature.

I guess I'm lucky that D-Nice lives close enough to not require a special "tour" in my area.
I understand that no worries, there are some anti pro calibration folks around that will seize on any little thing and try to discredit it .
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New VT60 owner!

Hey!

I just upgraded from a Panasonic 54VT25 to a 60VT60 and have some questions. I used the search, so please bare with me if these questions have been addresses already.

I've just completed 100 hours break in period using DNICE slides.

1) Is there any way to get the smart apps audio to work through my receiver / surround sound and not the VT60 speakers? I believe I read this can be accomplished via HDMI ARC (which the TV supports) but my receiver (Onkyo HT-R2295) does not. The other option would be an optical cable but the receiver only has one optical link which is being used by my Cable DVR device (the HDMI port is fried on the DVR so I have to use component / optical).

2) I assume this is just how the TV is, as it was similar with my VT25. Low light / dark scenes are SO dark. It's true what they say, these sets have incredible inky blacks. So much that I find it's to the point you can barely see the persons face in a dark scene. I have the TV set to THX Cinema, I've tried other picture modes, and even played in custom and got it a bit better but PQ suffers in other areas. Is this just how it's supposed to look or am I missing something?

I do plan on having it professionally calibrated in time, but I didn't notice a huge difference with my VT25 after it was done. It was very similar to what it looks like in THX mode out of the box.

Thanks guys!

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Check if your DVR or PVR has an output digital(rca) port for audio. If so, use this for audio to AVR and then connect the optical cable from tv to AVR, don't forget to activate the Viera link in your TV, and in your APPS set the audio to HOME Theater.

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Hey!

I just upgraded from a Panasonic 54VT25 to a 60VT60 and have some questions. I used the search, so please bare with me if these questions have been addresses already.

I've just completed 100 hours break in period using DNICE slides.

1) Is there any way to get the smart apps audio to work through my receiver / surround sound and not the VT60 speakers? I believe I read this can be accomplished via HDMI ARC (which the TV supports) but my receiver (Onkyo HT-R2295) does not. The other option would be an optical cable but the receiver only has one optical link which is being used by my Cable DVR device (the HDMI port is fried on the DVR so I have to use component / optical).

2) I assume this is just how the TV is, as it was similar with my VT25. Low light / dark scenes are SO dark. It's true what they say, these sets have incredible inky blacks. So much that I find it's to the point you can barely see the persons face in a dark scene. I have the TV set to THX Cinema, I've tried other picture modes, and even played in custom and got it a bit better but PQ suffers in other areas. Is this just how it's supposed to look or am I missing something?

I do plan on having it professionally calibrated in time, but I didn't notice a huge difference with my VT25 after it was done. It was very similar to what it looks like in THX mode out of the box.

Thanks guys!
I don't have an ARC AVR to test but have you turned on HDMI/CRC(Viera Connect I think it's called) on the tv then I think the option to set the speakers to HT comes up. If not someone else may chime in.

I also have the black crush problem when I use the Uverse system. I have set up Custom mode with gamma set to 1.8 or 2.0 to help. So I toggle between that and a pro mode when needed. I have to do that when watching some network shows then other shows/channels can look great with a darker gamma setting.
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Hey!

I just upgraded from a Panasonic 54VT25 to a 60VT60 and have some questions. I used the search, so please bare with me if these questions have been addresses already.

I've just completed 100 hours break in period using DNICE slides.

1) Is there any way to get the smart apps audio to work through my receiver / surround sound and not the VT60 speakers? I believe I read this can be accomplished via HDMI ARC (which the TV supports) but my receiver (Onkyo HT-R2295) does not. The other option would be an optical cable but the receiver only has one optical link which is being used by my Cable DVR device (the HDMI port is fried on the DVR so I have to use component / optical).

2) I assume this is just how the TV is, as it was similar with my VT25. Low light / dark scenes are SO dark. It's true what they say, these sets have incredible inky blacks. So much that I find it's to the point you can barely see the persons face in a dark scene. I have the TV set to THX Cinema, I've tried other picture modes, and even played in custom and got it a bit better but PQ suffers in other areas. Is this just how it's supposed to look or am I missing something?

I do plan on having it professionally calibrated in time, but I didn't notice a huge difference with my VT25 after it was done. It was very similar to what it looks like in THX mode out of the box.

Thanks guys!

The shadow detail is excellent on the VT60 a calibration will definitely clear that up. If you turn viera link on then in the apps menu there is viera setting where you can select home theater as the speaker default.

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Hey!

I just upgraded from a Panasonic 54VT25 to a 60VT60 and have some questions. I used the search, so please bare with me if these questions have been addresses already.

I've just completed 100 hours break in period using DNICE slides.

1) Is there any way to get the smart apps audio to work through my receiver / surround sound and not the VT60 speakers? I believe I read this can be accomplished via HDMI ARC (which the TV supports) but my receiver (Onkyo HT-R2295) does not. The other option would be an optical cable but the receiver only has one optical link which is being used by my Cable DVR device (the HDMI port is fried on the DVR so I have to use component / optical).

2) I assume this is just how the TV is, as it was similar with my VT25. Low light / dark scenes are SO dark. It's true what they say, these sets have incredible inky blacks. So much that I find it's to the point you can barely see the persons face in a dark scene. I have the TV set to THX Cinema, I've tried other picture modes, and even played in custom and got it a bit better but PQ suffers in other areas. Is this just how it's supposed to look or am I missing something?

I do plan on having it professionally calibrated in time, but I didn't notice a huge difference with my VT25 after it was done. It was very similar to what it looks like in THX mode out of the box.

Thanks guys!
As mentioned, that is definitely a calibration matter as the VT60 shadow detail is outstanding to say the least.

I am not sure what area you're in, but I would highly recommend contacting Chad B to see if/when he's out your way.
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Just a heads up. I just purchased a 65" vt60 for $1200 at an RC Willey outlet brand new in the box. They can't sell them in the retail stores because they have been discontinued. I would call your local rc willey and see if they have any in stock. It's worth a shot
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Just a heads up. I just purchased a 65" vt60 for $1200 at an RC Willey outlet brand new in the box. They can't sell them in the retail stores because they have been discontinued. I would call your local rc willey and see if they have any in stock. It's worth a shot
Wow that's one heck of a deal. Nice find.
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Great deal, they are in CA, UT, NV, ID in case anyone is wondering - about 9 stores or so.
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That's an insane price for arguably one of the greatest televisions ever made. I spent significantly more on my 55" and I feel like I stole it!
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a friend of mine was looking for one and none in my region, Even wants to give me $500 plus the price I paid for it.

Has this become a collector's

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Great deal. How many hours on the set?

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Great deal. How many hours on the set?
I just put on 3 last night It was brand new never used. The reason they are selling them in RC Willey outlets is because they have been discontinued and can no longer sell them in their retail stores. They have a 60" st-60 right now for under a $1000 (after bargaining, my favorite part about their outlet stores) in the Provo, Ut store where I got my Vt-60. If anyone lives in Utah I would snatch that up.
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65" VT60 here.

World of Tanks has left a faint circle on the bottom of both sides, where the map and tank view (whatever it's called) are. Have run screen wipe a bit. Got a little better, but still there.
Have not been playing the game for hours and hours on end with no break. A couple hours in the evenings.
Hope it'll get better. Pretty disappointed about it right now. Had the TV since Thanksgiving, no issues with it so far until now.
The retention seems to be about gone now. Have not gamed on it since my post quoted above.

I did input the calibration specs from CNET.....turns out that I had forgotten to turn off "overscan" that I turned on when I first got the TV. I read somewhere that overscan automatically disabled Pixel Orbiting, which is what helps the TV's avoid IR and burn in.

Sure wish I could game on it again. Might try a round or two and see how it does. TV still looks awesome, though. I hate not to use it, as it's our main TV.
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The retention seems to be about gone now. Have not gamed on it since my post quoted above.

I did input the calibration specs from CNET.....turns out that I had forgotten to turn off "overscan" that I turned on when I first got the TV. I read somewhere that overscan automatically disabled Pixel Orbiting, which is what helps the TV's avoid IR and burn in.

Sure wish I could game on it again. Might try a round or two and see how it does. TV still looks awesome, though. I hate not to use it, as it's our main TV.

Beware cnet's settings. Their set had a significant issue with magenta and David K's settings include placing the aspect ratio in 'just' which crops the edges of the picture and distorts the extreme left and right portions of the picture.
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65" VT60 here.

World of Tanks has left a faint circle on the bottom of both sides, where the map and tank view (whatever it's called) are. Have run screen wipe a bit. Got a little better, but still there.
Have not been playing the game for hours and hours on end with no break. A couple hours in the evenings.
Hope it'll get better. Pretty disappointed about it right now. Had the TV since Thanksgiving, no issues with it so far until now.
Played about 450 matches of UFC, turned the round clock off (don't really need it) and absolutely zero IR.
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