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Sorry, I'm lost.

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I'm an owner and am passing on my personal opinion based on personal experience and the experiences of calibrators I trust. Not sure what is wrong with that ? Others disagree that's fine. But it is my personal opinion that the vt60 benefits greatly from a calibration. Short of that the evidence suggests thx modes are the second best choice out of the box. But everyone can choose to do what they want.
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I though we were talking about cases where a professional grade calibration was not possible.

This whole topic started because someone asked whether they should use thx mode or shared settings. I gave an opinion sage and Fahrenheit added data to support that. Not sure what your whole point is to be honest.
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No science then. We are talking about subjective impressions if a calibration hasn't been done by a highly qualified calibrator on the set in question.
Ray can calibrate just fine, he's more than qualified.

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Sorry, I'm lost.
The first link shows Larry's default THX preset on his 65VT60. The second link shows his readings when he uses D-Nice and silllysally's calibrated settings. It clearly shows that THX is the more accurate.
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I'm an owner and am passing on my personal opinion based on personal experience and the experiences of calibrators I trust. Not sure what is wrong with that ? Others disagree that's fine. But it is my personal opinion that the vt60 benefits greatly from a calibration. Short of that the evidence suggests thx modes are the second best choice out of the box. But everyone can choose to do what they want.
I agree, but I would be more careful with words like evidence. I'm not saying you shouldn't use it, only make it clear what type of evidence that you're referring to.

I feel like the anti posted settings faction sometimes overstate their case much like the pro and anti calibration factions do on occasion with their case.

I didn't expect such a long discussion to develop.

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I consider calibration reports as evidence , what other way is there to objectively measure calibration ?

We will just agree to disagree I guess.
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The first link shows Larry's default THX preset on his 65VT60. The second link shows his readings when he uses D-Nice and silllysally's calibrated settings. It clearly shows that THX is the more accurate.
The links in my browser both point to post #14641 in this thread which is part of a discussion reassuring a new owner that his set was not defective.

I think the folks working on the AVS conversion may have had a hand it the way the links are working at the moment.

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I consider calibration reports as evidence , what other way is there to objectively measure calibration ?

We will just agree to disagree I guess.
I do too, but what do calibration reports have to do with how strongly one puts the argument that, for the VT60, posted settings are a waist of time? I'm confused so lets do what you suggest.

By the way, if you have read any sarcasm into this series of posts it wasn't intended.

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There are calibration reports in the article sage posted. Two random vt60s measured against cnet and dnice settings. Larry did additional analysis that supports the same opinion. I have seen one other caiibration report done by another pro calibrator that shows the Same thing. That's 4 random sets that show the thx mode is more accurate as opposed to shared Until someone shows differently with calibration reports I stick by my opinion.
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chunon,

I wouldn't go so far as saying that "the thx mode is more accurate as opposed to shared". However, I would say for these VT60 models, copying settings will not do much more than change the Contrast, Brightness, or Gamma settings making those new settings look better. The copied settings certainly will not make the Color Gamut or the Grayscale more accurate.

BTW, sharing Panasonic model settings seemed to work a bit better in past years -- back in 2007 to 2009 or so.

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The links in my browser both point to post #14641 in this thread which is part of a discussion reassuring a new owner that his set was not defective.

I think the folks working on the AVS conversion may have had a hand it the way the links are working at the moment.
Something definitely screwy with the permalinks there, as it is showing correctly for me.
The first link is post #14400 and the second is post #14383
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Something definitely screwy with the permalinks there, as it is showing correctly for me.
The first link is post #14400 and the second is post #14383
Thanks. I'm not sure why it would make a difference, but I've been using Opera at AVS since since I joined. Strange.

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chunon,

I wouldn't go so far as saying that "the thx mode is more accurate as opposed to shared". However, I would say for these VT60 models, copying settings will not do much more than change the Contrast, Brightness, or Gamma settings making those new settings look better. The copied settings certainly will not make the Color Gamut or the Grayscale more accurate.

BTW, sharing Panasonic model settings seemed to work a bit better in past years -- back in 2007 to 2009 or so.

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Thanks fir the clarification Larry was really going off the findings of Ray jr. Sorry if I misquoted you in some way.
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Hello guys i have a panasonic vt60 I got it in september and it has served my wildest fantasies! I have never had any IR even after hours and hours of gaming! this set is just amazing! the thing is I am moving back to greece and I cannot take it back with me... I was wondering what would be a good price to sell it for? the set doesnt have a single imperfection to it! Its flawless!
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Something definitely screwy with the permalinks there, as it is showing correctly for me.
The first link is post #14400 and the second is post #14383
To continue the strange story of AVS links, I tried Firefox this morning and both your links took me to the post 14681 witch happens to be the one above your post that I just quoted. It's also the fist post in the last page of the thread. Links that I've done in the past two years (huddler) see to do the same thing -- link to the first post of the last page of what ever thread that contains the target post.

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Those links don't work for me either. Both links seem to take me to the top of the last page, which in my case is post 14641. I've tried both IE8 and IE11.
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Hey guys, we moved recently and after setting back up my 65vt60 I noticed the right side (facing tv) speakers don't have any sound coming out. I usually have my receiver and surround sound hooked up so I never noticed. I was just using tv speakers until we get settled. I wonder if it's an easy fix beings still under year warranty or if Panasonic still has the means to repair.
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Hey guys, we moved recently and after setting back up my 65vt60 I noticed the right side (facing tv) speakers don't have any sound coming out. I usually have my receiver and surround sound hooked up so I never noticed. I was just using tv speakers until we get settled. I wonder if it's an easy fix beings still under year warranty or if Panasonic still has the means to repair.
If you are reasonably close to one of their repair centers there shouldn't be a problem.

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Question Best Digital Coax & Optical Toslink to R/L Stereo Audio Converter

Hi,


I'm trying to find the best quality Digital Coax & Optical Toslink to R/L Stereo Audio Converter to hook up my Panasonic TC-P60VT60 to my Harman/Kardon HK 3480 Stereo Receiver. Will you share your experience doing this and what brand of Digital Coax & Optical Toslink to R/L Stereo Audio Converter with you feel is the best?


Any assistance to point me in the right ditrction will be greatly appreciated.


Thank You Very Much !!
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I'm trying to find the best quality Digital Coax & Optical Toslink to R/L Stereo Audio Converter to hook up my Panasonic TC-P60VT60 to my Harman/Kardon HK 3480 Stereo Receiver. Will you share your experience doing this and what brand of Digital Coax & Optical Toslink to R/L Stereo Audio Converter with you feel is the best?


Any assistance to point me in the right ditrction will be greatly appreciated. I like Digital Coax because it's more robust than optical cables.


Thank You Very Much !!
That's a digital path so any cable that works will sound the same.

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Well, I am this close to jumping into the VT60 club. Just left a guys house who is selling his 55VT60 for $1400 with 4 year Geek Squad warranty. I would be losing 5" from my 60" F8500 today but I just can't bear the buzzing anymore. Decisions, decisions, decisions.
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That's a digital path so any cable that works will sound the same.




Jello,


Thanks for the reply. My amp. has no digital input. I have talked to both Panasonic about my options to output audio from my TC-P60VT60 to my HK and so far I understand I must buy a digital to analog converter. In this first picture the tech said the connector on the left is the best to output the TV's audio. There are only RCA inputs on my HK. I'm looking for the best convertor to get the best sound possible from my Laptop or TV to these 5-way speakers. I should be able to stream thru my Netgear Nighthawk R7000 Wireless-AC1900 Smart Dual-Band Gigabit Router thru the whole setup once I find a high end convertor similar to the attached photos.


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Thanks for the reply. My amp. has no digital input.
If you're using a digital to analog converter the digital cable will not make a difference. The converter probably will, but I don't know anything about them.

Would a new 5.1 AVR for around $300 be out of the question?

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Any of these small 10 point calibration measurement test mean very little, and that includes my 10 point reports. I for one will now only show comprehensive reports, in hopes others will also.

To see what is really going on with a calibration you need at-least about a 500 point check. I don't know why so many folks including pro calibrators show such a very limited report.
imo there are only two excuses for such limited reports.
1. The guy that is running the report has very limited experience and or very limited software.
2. The guy is just afraid that a comprehensive report is just going to show a fair to poor calibration, not a good calibration as the very limited report is showing.

Below is a link to my last Calibration measurement report I did on my VT60. I used a Klein K10-A as my active meter and I profiled it with my Jeti 1211, using Klein's ChromaSurf software to make sure there was next to no error in the profile and inputted that profile into the K10's memory. I used a updated Lumagen 2041 as the reference pattern source for the profile.

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The report shows a average dE 2000 of 0.35 with a highest dE of 1.59
Page down and you will see exactly what the colors that where measured. You will also see in the charts many points in-between the 10 points (10, 20, 30, ect) that most reports only show.
In other words a report like this will show what is really going on with are VT60. And shows how good are VT60 can be calibrated.

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I'll be looking for a pro-calibrator in Australia to do my VT60 in a month or so. I started with the THX Cinema setting and then used SS settings which at first I thought were much better but with analysis on S&M/Disney WOW isn't correct from a color perspective. Black level seems to be better though. I've gone back to THX Cinema just tweaked slightly with contrast/brightness and will begin my search for a pro to make this baby shine!
I paid good money years ago for my Kuro calibration but I didn't even get a report like the stuff you guys are doing! If you can give me some tips to look for in a calibrator it would be appreciated. Don't want to get ripped off.
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Contact GW Gill. I doubt you could get him to calibrate but he my refer you to someone.

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If you're using a digital to analog converter the digital cable will not make a difference. The converter probably will, but I don't know anything about them.

Would a new 5.1 AVR for around $300 be out of the question?

Thank you very much for the reply.


To answer your question, Yes. I do not have that much to spend. I also only have two speakers for a reason. They reproduce the best sound I've ever heard. I am thinking about picking up a used tube amp to allow the full Signe wave audio to enhance the analog sound. I have been offered a few for free.


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