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If the streaming application takes control, then you would have to make your choices before you run the application. Have you tried that?

As far as I can tell (= 99.9% sure) pre-selecting THX cinema, and then switching to the application doesn't make a difference. As soon as the app is launched the picture setting is changed.
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Are resetting the hours a simple task? Can they be easily confirmed?
I don't own a VT60 but I suspect that it's easy to do. No matter what the price or hours, it's going to be up to you to decide if you can afford to take a total loss on the set. If the owner bought the set from a dealer he will have a receipt giving the price, date of purchase, and if it's a new set with full warranty. Many demo sets are sold with full warranties too. I'm not sure about opened box sets that have been returned.

Panasonic doesn't seem to have any replacement panels for their 2013 models, but they have been refunding the purchase price. One big worry is that the owner has found what he thinks is a micro crack in the screen that a buyer might not spot. Tiny cracks grow bigger and when they get big enough the panel dies.

The combination of no warranty and zero hours doesn't make sense to me.
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I don't own a VT60 but I suspect that it's easy to do. No matter what the price or hours, it's going to be up to you to decide if you can afford to take a total loss on the set. If the owner bought the set from a dealer he will have a receipt giving the price, date of purchase, and if it's a new set with full warranty. Many demo sets are sold with full warranties too. I'm not sure about opened box sets that have been returned.

Panasonic doesn't seem to have any replacement panels for their 2013 models, but they have been refunding the purchase price. One big worry is that the owner has found what he thinks is a micro crack in the screen that a buyer might not spot. Tiny cracks grow bigger and when they get big enough the panel dies.

The combination of no warranty and zero hours doesn't make sense to me.
The set would still be under warranty to the current owner, but Panasonic's warranty would not transfer to a new owner, and the current owner did not purchase a transferable extended warranty. I just wanted to clarify that the no warranty situation would apply to whoever purchases the set. I believe he is selling due to an uncontrollable lighting situation in the house.

I understand the total loss risk.
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Your problem isn't with low, mid panel brightness. Its in how you have adjusted your contrast, brightness and sharpness controls. Of-course this is saying what you are seeing is not caused by your source player/material.

For now use one of the THX modes.
Download the free AVS HD 709 calibration disc or better still Ted's calibration disc.
Even using only a calibration disk needs some basic knowledge of the display controls etc. and the purpose of using them.

Can we say that by using a calibration disk only that a display is calibrated? No, this requires meter/software/knowledge, but can improve a lot the factory default settings and it’s better solution from copying display settings from web.

We can say that using a calibration disk without having meter/software you can do plenty of things, for example using Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk:



1. Display a Brightness Pattern to set the Black Level (Brightness Control) of the Display; to prevent crushing of shadow details or raised black levels.



2. Display a Contrast Pattern to set the White Level (Contrast Control) of the Display; to prevent color detail clipping up to peak white levels and above reference white level color shifts/discoloration. The limitation to this is that you don’t know you peak output without a meter/software to measure the 100% White patch.



3. Use Sharpness Pattern to prevent edge enhancement (halo/ringing effect) or soft contouring (blurring of the image details).

You can check using that Sharpness Pattern some display settings like: Reality Creation, Noise Reduction, MPEG Noise Reduction, Dot Noise Reduction, Noise Filtering, Detail Enhancer, Edge Enhancer, Super Resolution, Digital Clear View to see how they are affecting your image resolution.



4. Use Color Clipping Pattern to prevent clipping of each color channel (RGB), this sometimes can be fixed be removing some clicks from the contrast control also.

You can check display settings like Live Color, Dynamic Color or Color Enhancer etc.



5. Display a Grayscale Ramp Pattern and find by swapping thru the available color temperature modes (normal/warm1/warm2 etc) of your display; which looks more neutral to your eyes. (It's guessing by the user selection), but Don’t try to fix the RGB Balance based to your eyes and tweak the RGB-High/Low Controls without meter/software.



6. Display a Grayscale Full Step Pattern and check your various enhancements controls of your display; Advance Contrast, Black Tone, Black Correction, Advanced Contrast Enhancer, Auto Light Limiter, Clear White, Dynamic Contrast, Cinema Black, Smooth Gradationetc. to have a better view of the problems they introducing and to realize why you need to leave them untouched to prevent new problems. (no smooth color graduations, distortions, discoloration, clipping, banding, posterization, crushed shadow details, raised black levels etc.)



7. Display a convergence pattern to find which mode of your TV provides you the 1:1 Pixel Mapping, to be able to view the correct full 1920x1080 pixel resolution of your display.

We can say that by using only a calibration disk we can’t meet the REC.709 standards, this requires meter/software, but it will be a good improvement for a small amount of money or by downloading a free one from web.

Also is an introduction to what a display calibration can do, the user maybe be interested to buy meter/software to do DIY or hire a pro for this job.

But by using only a Calibration Disk you can't set your peak light output, perform RGB Balance of your grayscale, calibrate your Primary/Secondary Colors (Hue/Saturation/Lightness), fix your gamma levels etc. for REC.709 without a meter/software...... but for sure you can improve your image in case you do the above steps with the correct way.

There available a lot of videos online to help for the first steps any newcomer to calibration world.

For a starters it's better idea to get the free AVSHD with the video examples or the Disney WOW where it features a lot of video examples too before moving to a more complex/advanced disk like Spears & Munsil or Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk.

I recommend Ted's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk to enthusiasts or those who are coming from other calibration disks. Experienced users will understand better the value of that disk and the the purpose and what to look for by viewing the 152 Color Reproduction Patterns, to evaluate visually any 1D/3D LUT display/projector.

For a starters it's better idea to get the free AVSHD with the video examples or the Disney WOW where it features a lot of video examples too.

But you can find some basic patterns to pre-calibrate your display by free downloading theTed's LightSpace CMS Calibration Disk (Free Version) which is a 'lite' version of the Full Version. This required a black Blu-Ray Disk to burn it). by downloading the Free and popular AVSHD Disk you can burn it using blank DVD disk at AVCHD format which is compatible with blu-ray players.
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Does anyone know where or if there is a calibration settings thread for the vt60?? I could of swore there used to be one?
I think you're looking for this:

2013 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread
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Thank you kind sir!


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I think you're looking for this:

2013 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread

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Samsung F8500 60"
(and a few crappy lcd sets). lol
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No thread; settings are within this one, then you have CNET, DNice, Silly Sally's, and others. Try using the AVS search function, it works pretty well especially if you are willing to use a few different key words before giving up.
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The false contouring definitely doesn't happen at 60hz, so it sounds like it could be another issue. Do you see it on Blu-ray sources too?

So I don't have bluray, i rip all to ISOs (no compression) and play on my PopcornHour A-400 from my NAS.


Seems motion and this effect is worse on popcornhour than my XBOX One.


On my XBOX I mostly watch Netflix, hulu and play games. Motion seems better but not what I thought it would be.


I now have 500 hours on this set and its not any better than the day i bought it. I should have tried returning it


I had an older, lower end, Panasonic plasma before this one as well and motion was not an issue.


Everything goes directly through my Yamaha RX-A2020 as it did before with no issues....


Its like the different colors are not in sync. Is that even possible?


Now my girlfriend of course doesn't notice and is amazed by the picture, but I can see it. (I want to un-see it so bad!) I'm sure this is the case with most of us in this forum when we notice a visual anomaly!

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Even using only a calibration disk needs some basic knowledge of the display controls etc. and the purpose of using them.

Can we say that by using a calibration disk only that a display is calibrated? No, this requires meter/software/knowledge, but can improve a lot the factory default settings and it’s better solution from copying display settings from web.

We can say that using a calibration disk without having meter/software you can do plenty of things, for example using
Yes Ted, that's why I said "better yet get Ted's disc.

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meathead I think you are seeing phosphor trails. If your set is new for some reason it is more likely you will see them. They will go away if so - or at least go away to the point where you will really have to try very hard to see them again. When you get closer to 2000 hrs the set seems to behave a bit differently (for the better) on these pannys.
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Where can you find this set for around $1K?
It's $1097 at Frys. Sears had it a few weeks back for $750 after cashback.
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I'm wondering why most people/calibrators tell us to keep the sharpness setting at "0" or at "20"? With my set, if i keep the sharpness under 50 everything looks blurry. I find that about 65 or 70 is just right.. I even see the tv guide as being super blurry when the sharpess is in the 0-20 range. Has anyone else noticed this?

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I always thought sharpness was a personal preference. But when Chad calibrated my 60" ZT, he set the sharpness at 20. Pictures looks sharp on my set.
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The only correct setting for Sharpness is OFF. OFF may or may not be 0 and the only way to tell is to use a Sharpness evaluation pattern.

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The only correct setting for Sharpness is OFF. OFF may or may not be 0 and the only way to tell is to use a Sharpness evaluation pattern.
I am not sure I ever tried it at 0, but i will check how it looks when on 0... But when on around the 10-30ish range, it looks very blurry, and I don't mean in a way that may or may not be subjective, it's straight up blurry (If the person watching has perfect vision that is). I am doing comparisons between the vt60 and f8500, i have them side by side for the past few days.. The only way the vt60 matches the sharpness of the f8500 is when the vt60's sharpness is set to 65 or better..

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I am not sure I ever tried it at 0, but i will check how it looks when on 0... But when on around the 10-30ish range, it looks very blurry, and I don't mean in a way that may or may not be subjective, it's straight up blurry (If the person watching has perfect vision that is). I am doing comparisons between the vt60 and f8500, i have them side by side for the past few days.. The only way the vt60 matches the sharpness of the f8500 is when the vt60's sharpness is set to 65 or better..
You could create your own drawing/test pattern (in 1920x1080) and throw it over to the VT60.
It will become quickly apparent as to whether anything is being added or taken away. After all, you created it, so you would know exactly how it should be reproduced.
Its a 10 minute exercise at the most.
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