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post #15031 of 16666 Old 09-26-2014, 01:39 PM
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For folks running into the chance of overnight burn-in, there's a setting for automatic turn off in the TV. I've mine set for 2am.
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I've had my VT60 since the beginning of the year and have been thoroughly enjoying it, all sorts of content, no image retention issues. Lately, I suspect someone fell asleep with the TV on after playing a round of Mario Kart Wii and now I have a darker area around the outer 5% of the screen, thanks to the Wii's underscan. This was a few weeks ago, and it's slowly going away, so I'm not really concerned about any permanent damage. I am wondering if this might have thrown off my color balance in the interim, though.

I've been using the THX cinema mode with a few modifications, like cranking the contrast up to around 80. This always looked good to me, but recently, I've been seeing pink and green banding in skin tones. It could simply be that I'm hypersensitive since this Wii-induced "burn." Can broad-area image retention like this throw off color balance?
No it shouldn't unless you've added a lot of hours to the panel falling asleep with it on causing a color shift, which happens to nearly every panel over time. Mine was calibrated at around 500 hours, with DNice recommending a recheck at 2000 hours. I haven't checked panel hours in a while because I've been so happy with the picture even with a little fan noise (I have yet to do that) plus I've upgraded my speakers, bought an Atmos ready receiver and another sub - don't tell my wife
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So the TV guy came and as predicted said there's not much that can be done. Looks like I'll be getting an upgrade or replacement to another TV of equal size and features.

Sadly the 60" ZT models are gone everywhere and not something that can be ordered.

The guy at the store said that LG Plasma's are basically the worst on the market and the Samsung's are still nice TV's.

My question is this, would this TV be an upgrade over my current Plasma in which it wouldn't have horrible screen lag when playing games or watching fast moving movies/sports. I could care less about 4K as it's something that won't be big for several years. I don't think the PS4 or XBOX One even work with 4K so it's not a big thing. The guy at Future Shop just said that TV looked the best next to Plasma's without jerky movements.
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/id/10294666.aspx



The other consideration is this Samsung Plasma. The only problem being is the comparison to the quality of the VT60 and potential screen burn in as well.



http://www.futureshop.ca/en-ca/produ...cb3cda016een02




Any advice from people who game or watch sports on LED's or 4K's would be welcomed.
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hi guys, i need youre help. one of my local store has the VT60 model, but its the store display and it doesnt have the stand and the glasses anymore, and i dont know how many hours on it. and they gave me a quote for $1350 with 5 years warranty for the TV. do you think it is good price for a discontinued model? and also what are the areas that i need to check on the TV if everything is working fine? thanks again and i appreciate ur help.
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hi guys, i need youre help. one of my local store has the VT60 model, but its the store display and it doesnt have the stand and the glasses anymore, and i dont know how many hours on it. and they gave me a quote for $1350 with 5 years warranty for the TV. do you think it is good price for a discontinued model? and also what are the areas that i need to check on the TV if everything is working fine? thanks again and i appreciate ur help.
What size VT60 is it? You need to bring colored slides on a USB stick to check for burn in. That should really be the main concern.
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What size VT60 is it? You need to bring colored slides on a USB stick to check for burn in. That should really be the main concern.
im sorry. its 60" tv. where i can get those colored slides? how i am gonna know during the slides if everything is okay or not okay? anything else to be concerned? thanks again.
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So the TV guy came and as predicted said there's not much that can be done. Looks like I'll be getting an upgrade or replacement to another TV of equal size and features.

Sadly the 60" ZT models are gone everywhere and not something that can be ordered.

The guy at the store said that LG Plasma's are basically the worst on the market and the Samsung's are still nice TV's.

My question is this, would this TV be an upgrade over my current Plasma in which it wouldn't have horrible screen lag when playing games or watching fast moving movies/sports. I could care less about 4K as it's something that won't be big for several years. I don't think the PS4 or XBOX One even work with 4K so it's not a big thing. The guy at Future Shop just said that TV looked the best next to Plasma's without jerky movements.
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/id/10294666.aspx



The other consideration is this Samsung Plasma. The only problem being is the comparison to the quality of the VT60 and potential screen burn in as well.



http://www.futureshop.ca/en-ca/produ...cb3cda016een02




Any advice from people who game or watch sports on LED's or 4K's would be welcomed.
If you are concerned about PQ the F8500 is really the only thing closest to the VT60. The only advantage the LED will have is you will not have to worry about burn in but I know a lot of people game on their Samsung plasma without a problem. You just need to be smart about it.

Also, where you sit and where you TV is placed is very important when going with an LED. Not something you have to think about with a plasma. An LED will lose contrast and color as you move away from the center of the screen and out towards the sides.

As someone who just picked up Vizio's 70" 4K Full Array LED to see if I would like it, I will tell you nothing comes close to a plasma, especially the VT60. It is amazing how good the picture picture is on this TV. I played a flower video on Netflix in 4K on the P series and they also had it available in 1080p which I played on the VT60 and even with the lower resolution the picture on the VT60 just looked better. From the colors, to the saturation, to the blacks and the picture just has this depth and fullness that cannot be captured on pretty much any LED out right now.

The only TV that can accomplish this would be the F8500.

As far as off angle viewing, no matter how good the picture would have been on the P series it would have been impossible for me to keep and enjoy it. I do not want to have to sit in 1 seat, dead center every time I want to watch a TV in my living room. I like to move around, play with my kid, see the TV from my dining room and that picture needs to look good wherever I am sitting or standing.

Of course this is just how I feel today, tomorrow I might feel differently. I really think your seating location needs to be evaluated first and if you are ok with the picture shifting for the worst when you move. If that is fine with you I would then start to consider the LED, if that is something you can't live with don't bother then.
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im sorry. its 60" tv. where i can get those colored slides? how i am gonna know during the slides if everything is okay or not okay? anything else to be concerned? thanks again.
Go to the main Plasma screen here and look for the paperclip on the VT60 thread. Near the end you will see "2013 Panel Prep Slides. Best to use them on a PC as a Mac will add a file to each jpg.

When running the slides look for any dark/dead sub pixels on each slide and also look for any image retention from logos/info bars ect.
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im sorry. its 60" tv. where i can get those colored slides? how i am gonna know during the slides if everything is okay or not okay? anything else to be concerned? thanks again.
The Panasonic settings section I believe have them. Otherwise just google plasma break in slides. They are just different color slides to play on your TV.

If the panel looks good there really isn't much else to check out. If the TV has 1,000 hours or 3,000 hours it won't really make a difference. You will have a warranty and a TV can go bad at 10 hours or 50,000 hours. No one can tell you that.

You can check the screen for scratches or cracks. Like physical things like that.

I would haggle with the price though. I am sure at this point they are just looking to get rid of it. I would throw $999 out there to start. These TV's were selling for $1,499 when they were new. A year and a half old discontinued floor model TV should be discounted more then that. The warranty on a TV that price shouldn't factor in that much either so I say start at $999. Some folke here might even say offer less then that.
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wow. i thought its a good price i have there. $1350 including taxes display model not sure the hours, no glasses no stands, maybe if thats the case i will pass o it? im a big sports and movie blu ray fan. its hard to decide if its really worth it.
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Go to the main Plasma screen here and look for the paperclip on the VT60 thread. Near the end you will see "2013 Panel Prep Slides. Best to use them on a PC as a Mac will add a file to each jpg.

When running the slides look for any dark/dead sub pixels on each slide and also look for any image retention from logos/info bars ect.
hi, where i can find this? is there any link? thanks again.
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wow. i thought its a good price i have there. $1350 including taxes display model not sure the hours, no glasses no stands, maybe if thats the case i will pass o it? im a big sports and movie blu ray fan. its hard to decide if its really worth it.
You're getting a 5 year warranty that's an extended one. If the TV has issues just return it and they'll have to upgrade you to a comparable one. It's win win.
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You're getting a 5 year warranty that's an extended one. If the TV has issues just return it and they'll have to upgrade you to a comparable one. It's win win.
There is no such thing as a comparable one in this market anymore... Everything else will just be a downgrade.
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wow. i thought its a good price i have there. $1350 including taxes display model not sure the hours, no glasses no stands, maybe if thats the case i will pass o it? im a big sports and movie blu ray fan. its hard to decide if its really worth it.
Sorry, I don't know why but I was thinking ST60 in my head. That is a better price for a VT60 but I would still see if they would drop the price a little.

The picture on the VT60 will be better then any other TV you can buy for thousands more. For sports, motion handling will best all the LEDs and with blu rays the picture will be stunning with some of the highest contrast levels every seen on a TV to date.
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hi, where i can find this? is there any link? thanks again.
Here's another link to the slides. Look in the first post.

2013 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread

Here's the 120 slides if you want. These will also work there's just more colors to go through.

plasma_break-in_v120.zip

Put either set or both on a USB flash drive and plug them into the tv's port.
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And to access the slides, make sure they have the remote and their is dedicated button on it for the USB.
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Here's another link to the slides. Look in the first post.

2013 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread

Here's the 120 slides if you want. These will also work there's just more colors to go through.

Attachment 282106

Put either set or both on a USB flash drive and plug them into the tv's port.
thanks. also should i also turn it off what it says on the first page before running the slides? or just stick it and thats it?

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And to access the slides, make sure they have the remote and their is dedicated button on it for the USB.
this tv comes with 2 remotes right? just wanted to make it sure, so that they will give me 2 remotes. and i read that it has a built in camera, what is the use for that? for skype?
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thanks. also should i also turn it off what it says on the first page before running the slides? or just stick it and thats it?



this tv comes with 2 remotes right? just wanted to make it sure, so that they will give me 2 remotes. and i read that it has a built in camera, what is the use for that? for skype?
Don't worry about the settings for the slides. That is if you are using them to break in the panel.

There are 2 remotes. The 2nd touch remote is worthless. I have never used it.

The camera is used for Skype. I haven't found anything else that uses the camera.

If you want to check the hours. Menu.. Help.... Version... Status 4 is the hours on the TV after the letter C.
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Here's another link to the slides. Look in the first post.

2013 Panasonic Settings/Issues Thread

Here's the 120 slides if you want. These will also work there's just more colors to go through.

Attachment 282106

Put either set or both on a USB flash drive and plug them into the tv's port.
Would running these slides over the weekend help with my IR assuming it is IR and not burn in?

I've been running the TV's built in side scroll thing and will be getting a Disney WOW disc on Monday in the mail to use. Until then I wanted to do all I could as I don't want a replacement TV I want to keep this one as it is beautiful.

Are there any other things I can download for IR assistance? The TV has likely 500 hours or more on it so it doesn't really need the break in anymore.
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You should be able to access the hours from the menu. Open the Menu, go to Help, go to Version and the hours will be to the right of the letter in Status4.
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Would running these slides over the weekend help with my IR assuming it is IR and not burn in?

I've been running the TV's built in side scroll thing and will be getting a Disney WOW disc on Monday in the mail to use. Until then I wanted to do all I could as I don't want a replacement TV I want to keep this one as it is beautiful.

Are there any other things I can download for IR assistance? The TV has likely 500 hours or more on it so it doesn't really need the break in anymore.
The colored slides really won't help anymore then running the screen wipe for now.
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You should be able to access the hours from the menu. Open the Menu, go to Help, go to Version and the hours will be to the right of the letter in Status4.
So under status4 I see C0950-00000

I'm guessing that means 950 hours?
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So under status4 I see C0950-00000

I'm guessing that means 950 hours?
Yes
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If you are concerned about PQ the F8500 is really the only thing closest to the VT60. The only advantage the LED will have is you will not have to worry about burn in but I know a lot of people game on their Samsung plasma without a problem. You just need to be smart about it.

Also, where you sit and where you TV is placed is very important when going with an LED. Not something you have to think about with a plasma. An LED will lose contrast and color as you move away from the center of the screen and out towards the sides.

As someone who just picked up Vizio's 70" 4K Full Array LED to see if I would like it, I will tell you nothing comes close to a plasma, especially the VT60. It is amazing how good the picture picture is on this TV. I played a flower video on Netflix in 4K on the P series and they also had it available in 1080p which I played on the VT60 and even with the lower resolution the picture on the VT60 just looked better. From the colors, to the saturation, to the blacks and the picture just has this depth and fullness that cannot be captured on pretty much any LED out right now.

The only TV that can accomplish this would be the F8500.

As far as off angle viewing, no matter how good the picture would have been on the P series it would have been impossible for me to keep and enjoy it. I do not want to have to sit in 1 seat, dead center every time I want to watch a TV in my living room. I like to move around, play with my kid, see the TV from my dining room and that picture needs to look good wherever I am sitting or standing.

Of course this is just how I feel today, tomorrow I might feel differently. I really think your seating location needs to be evaluated first and if you are ok with the picture shifting for the worst when you move. If that is fine with you I would then start to consider the LED, if that is something you can't live with don't bother then.
Viewing angle doesn't matter to me. I'm buying a tv for me not the rare time I watch a movie with people sitting to the left or right of where it's mounted.

I sit front and centre and the room is dark when I want it to be.

I'm just curious if that Sony 4K tv in the link will have a better picture than the VT60 and not give horrible screen jutted during fast moving games, movies or sports.

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/id/10294666.aspx

They look beautiful but I've been so spoiled by Plasma the last several years it's tough to consider changing.

That Samsung looks great as well but I was burned a few times in a row by LCD Samsung's years ago.

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So the TV guy came and as predicted said there's not much that can be done. Looks like I'll be getting an upgrade or replacement to another TV of equal size and features.

Sadly the 60" ZT models are gone everywhere and not something that can be ordered.

The guy at the store said that LG Plasma's are basically the worst on the market and the Samsung's are still nice TV's.

My question is this, would this TV be an upgrade over my current Plasma in which it wouldn't have horrible screen lag when playing games or watching fast moving movies/sports. I could care less about 4K as it's something that won't be big for several years. I don't think the PS4 or XBOX One even work with 4K so it's not a big thing. The guy at Future Shop just said that TV looked the best next to Plasma's without jerky movements.
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/id/10294666.aspx



The other consideration is this Samsung Plasma. The only problem being is the comparison to the quality of the VT60 and potential screen burn in as well.



http://www.futureshop.ca/en-ca/produ...cb3cda016een02




Any advice from people who game or watch sports on LED's or 4K's would be welcomed.
From what I've read in the F8500 thread...the Samsung F8500 is the least IR resistant plasma out of the bunch that give the best pq

only trade off is:

-black levels float depending on APL levels
- input lag is best in pc mode which won't give as accurate an image as a fully calibrated mode ( some picture options are disabled )
- input lag is only around 45-50 isn ms. to some this may be a problem. It really isn't though unless you want ultra low pc monitor 2 ms lag response time. FWIW, on the zt60 it had around 45 ms without game mode and i didn't notice any issue with lag

Pros for the F8500 over zt60/vt60:

- very very resistant to IR - some owners even use it as a HTPC monitor
- BRIGHT image.
- plasma pq quality
- $1300 bucks cheaper than my zt60 ( for 65" model )
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If I get persistent IR, I am not going to be running slides etc. If it's going to go it will (I presume) go through normal use. Plasma cells do the same thing over and over again, whatever it is you happen to watch. They don't have a special slides/flipper operating mode, right? It's just pulse pulse pulse however many times a second and all you can control is how frequently that happens. Honestly. I think some of this slides/flipping activity is bordering on superstition. It isn't, in my view, worth prematurely ageing the panel to lessen IR slightly faster.

I notice in the OLED forums they're also talking about the same never properly experimentally verified 200 hr break-in period and they're using pixel-flippers for a third entirely different technology. Looking at this semi-rationally, how likely is it that pixel flippers would prove useful for three fundamentally different display technologies?
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Viewing angle doesn't matter to me. I'm buying a tv for me not the rare time I watch a movie with people sitting to the left or right of where it's mounted.

I sit front and centre and the room is dark when I want it to be.

I'm just curious if that Sony 4K tv in the link will have a better picture than the VT60 and not give horrible screen jutted during fast moving games, movies or sports.

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/id/10294666.aspx

They look beautiful but I've been so spoiled by Plasma the last several years it's tough to consider changing.

That Samsung looks great as well but I was burned a few times in a row by LCD Samsung's years ago.
Of course the Sony 4K TV is not going to give you better PQ then your VT60. If it did it would be a reference display and considered one of the best LEDs ever made which it is not. Doesn't mean it won't look good though. You would really need to see it in your home to decide if it is good enough for you.
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From what I've read in the F8500 thread...the Samsung F8500 is the least IR resistant plasma out of the bunch that give the best pq
Haha, I'm sure you meant it's the most IR resistant plasma out of the bunch.

I'm actually amazed at how well it handles IR. I don't know what Panasonic couldn't do that Samsung could do but my Panny is so annoying how it's such an IR magnate and my F8500 shuns it away before it even tries to mold itself into my screen.
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So it looks like I've got a serious burn-in issue. It's my own fault - I've been doing some pretty extended play-time on Destiny for PS4, now I have some burned-in HUD elements in the lower left corner.

I've given gaming a break, running the screen wipe, and been watching lots of full screen HD content (blu rays etc.), but there's a pinkish burn in that just won't go away. Hope it isn't permanent, I love this TV but this is making me seriously consider replacing this set, which is a shame.
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guys, before i pull the trigger, going to store now, i dont know if there is burn in IR or how many hours on it. is it worth it floor model vt 60" for (50 thousand pesos philippines) (1350 usd)????
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