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@ Eric, what FP did you get(model #)? I think you mentioned it elsewhere a while back but I want to look into that for my media room.
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@ Eric, what FP did you get(model #)? I think you mentioned it elsewhere a while back but I want to look into that for my media room.
The BenQ W1070. It was highly rated everywhere. It is really unbelievable the picture it produces at this price.

http://www.amazon.com/BenQ-W1070-108...rds=benq+w1070

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A 55" TV for $3K-$4K, no thanks. You can keep it. I would take a 65" plasma for half the price any day of the week. As a matter of fact, I would take a 65" plasma over a 55" OLED even if they were the same price.

Infinite black's don't make a small TV look any larger. Would definitely sacrifice black's for size, especially when you consider how good the VTs, ZTs and F8500's are.
Agree, wish I would have bought the 65VT60 instead of the 60VT60 but its a great TV. No complaints about PQ. I could never go back to a smaller size.
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The BenQ W1070. It was highly rated everywhere. It is really unbelievable at the picture is produces at this price.

http://www.amazon.com/BenQ-W1070-108...rds=benq+w1070
Thanks, time to read up on that. Good to hear you're enjoying it.
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The BenQ W1070. It was highly rated everywhere. It is really unbelievable at the picture it produces at this price.

http://www.amazon.com/BenQ-W1070-108...rds=benq+w1070
I would love to have a projector but my wife would never allow me to mount it on the living room ceiling.
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I bought my 60VT60 for $1800 and if I were going to buy today, I would buy the Samsung 60F8500 for $2000 at best buy instead of a used Panansonic for the same price.
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Agree, wish I would have bought the 65VT60 instead of the 60VT60 but its a great TV. No complaints about PQ. I could never go back to a smaller size.

So how come you'd prefer the 8500 over the VT60 if you had a chance to do it again?
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Watching Godzilla on BD this evening, I was struck how light the letter bars looked on low APL scenes and the whole movie was choke full of it. Bright/ regular APL scenes blended completely with the bezel and were marvelous overall.

I guess the one thing Panny was never able to catch up to Pioneer before they left plasma was to match/ equal em in this regard.

Can someone who owns a late gen pioneer comment on this? Were their black levels that good on low level APL scenes or just slightly better than our VT60s?

I don't mean to start one of those never ending wars but was just curious
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So how come you'd prefer the 8500 over the VT60 if you had a chance to do it again?
He said he would buy a NEW F8500 as opposed to a USED VT60, not that he preferred the F8500 in comparison to the VT60.
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So how come you'd prefer the 8500 over the VT60 if you had a chance to do it again?
I don't prefer the 8500 to the VT60 but its the only option today since the VT60 is no longer manufactured. If I could find a new 65VT60 now, I would buy it!
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I am having a problem with image retention/ burn in and wondering if this is a known problem with the TV. I have a 60VT60 that has a line running across the screen about 5.5 inches from the bottom. It is visible when watching TV. The reason I ask if it is a known problem is because A) it is worse than any other IR problem I have had and B) I can't figure out what could have been on the screen to cause it. With all other retention problems it is obvious what caused it. It is well above letterbox.

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Watching Godzilla on BD this evening, I was struck how light the letter bars looked on low APL scenes and the whole movie was choke full of it. Bright/ regular APL scenes blended completely with the bezel and were marvelous overall.

I guess the one thing Panny was never able to catch up to Pioneer before they left plasma was to match/ equal em in this regard.

Can someone who owns a late gen pioneer comment on this? Were their black levels that good on low level APL scenes or just slightly better than our VT60s?

I don't mean to start one of those never ending wars but was just curious
Not even the Kuros had pitch black letterbox bars on low APL content like Godzilla.

OLED *might*.

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Yup, everyone is different. My viewing of choice is my 100" front projector over my VT60. No matter how good the picture on the VT60 is, to me the experience of watching something on a big screen outweighs black levels and contrast. It was the reason I was initially selling my VT60 since everything we now view at night is on the projector.

Does the VT60 have better pq, it sure does but watching something with great color accuracy, great motion, a clean sharp picture with a very cinematic feel on a 100" screen from 9.5" feet away is a whole other experience. Cost of the projector, $700.

Now thinking to spend $3-$4K on a 55" TV, the thought would never even cross my mind. I would probably even go with a 70" - 75" LED before doing that.

If I was wealthy, and needed a TV, I would most definitely by a 4K OLED 65" or larger to have in my home but those are a little out of my budget.
This is my dilemna. I absolutely adore my VT60 but I'm keenly aware that at 55" it's certainly not the experience our 82" provides upstairs. I'm not opposed to a projector but not sure if I could squeeze one into the space I use as my media/viewing room. In retrospect I feel like I should have made more of an effort to incorporate a FP. At a certain point a physical display just becomes too large for the room-- thus the 55". One of the most exciting things-- and often overlooked benefit-- of OLED is it's insanely thin profile. The 55" LG is 30lbs. I'm hoping that a pencil thin 70"+ 1080p flat OLED will be available in the near future that I can simply hang on my wall.

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One of the most exciting things-- and often overlooked benefit-- of OLED is it's insanely thin profile. The 55" LG is 30lbs. I'm hoping that a pencil thin 70"+ 1080p flat OLED will be available in the near future that I can simply hang on my wall.
Unless I figure out how to incorporate a projector into my living room, a 65-70" 1080P OLED will be my next purchase. I'll be mounting my 60VT60 on the wall this weekend which puts the display another 12" away from my current viewing distance of 11 ft and why I wish I would have bought the 65".

How long do think it will be until you can buy an OLED 65-70" display for under $3K...3 years?
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Unless I figure out how to incorporate a projector into my living room, a 65-70" 1080P OLED will be my next purchase. I'll be mounting my 60VT60 on the wall this weekend which puts the display another 12" away from my current viewing distance of 11 ft and why I wish I would have bought the 65".

How long do think it will be until you can buy an OLED 65-70" display for under $3K...3 years?
If they force the issue of 4k-- longer.

In a perfect world, they would sell a 70"+, flat, 1080p OLED monitor for a reasonable price. Hold the speakers and the wifi and the 'smart' apps and just give me a couple HDMI connections. You can even keep the stand-- I don't need it.

The truth is: the VT60 is a very well equipped display. I don't use a fraction of those features. Every once in a great while I'll use the included speakers (which are pretty nice, actually) and I do use the netlfix app if for no other reason then it's easier than having to power up my bluray player to do the same thing. The stand was used once to hold the TV for 5 min while I attached the mount to the back. Manufacturers feel the need to pile features into their top-tier displays when the truth is all I want is big monitor that doesn't weigh a half ton and is slim enough to saddle up to the wall.

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How long do think it will be until you can buy an OLED 65-70" display for under $3K...3 years?
How do you know they'll even be OLED in three years?
Don't simply give up on the projector idea, because in three years you just might have the ability to get one.
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How do you know they'll even be OLED in three years?
Don't simply give up on the projector idea, because in three years you just might have the ability to get one.
In the next 3 years, who knows what the next big thing will be? I did see that Best Buy has their 4K LED displays on sale, both Sony and Samsung 65" for under $3K.

I just bought a new house which is why I had to have the 60VT60 and will not be leaving anytime soon so the projector idea is out the window. Actually, its not so much the projector as it is the big screen. I told my wife I wanted a motorized screen that can drop down from the ceiling.

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If they force the issue of 4k-- longer.

In a perfect world, they would sell a 70"+, flat, 1080p OLED monitor for a reasonable price. Hold the speakers and the wifi and the 'smart' apps and just give me a couple HDMI connections. You can even keep the stand-- I don't need it.

The truth is: the VT60 is a very well equipped display. I don't use a fraction of those features. Every once in a great while I'll use the included speakers (which are pretty nice, actually) and I do use the netlfix app if for no other reason then it's easier than having to power up my bluray player to do the same thing. The stand was used once to hold the TV for 5 min while I attached the mount to the back. Manufacturers feel the need to pile features into their top-tier displays when the truth is all I want is big monitor that doesn't weigh a half ton and is slim enough to saddle up to the wall.
You are correct, I haven't even used the voice/face recognition or popup camera. I just need a great display and an Apple TV and blu-ray and I'm a happy guy.
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Any wall mount you guys can recommend for VT 60 inches? Thanks
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I would love to have a projector but my wife would never allow me to mount it on the living room ceiling.
Lol, She Who Must Be Obeyed strikes again !

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Any wall mount you guys can recommend for VT 60 inches? Thanks
I bought the Sanus VLT5 tilting wall mount from Amazon that I'll be installing Friday - Link to Sanus VLT5

If you don't want a tilting mount, here are some more options - 60VT60 Mounts
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I bought the Sanus VLT5 tilting wall mount from Amazon that I'll be installing Friday - Link to Sanus VLT5

If you don't want a tilting mount, here are some more options - 60VT60 Mounts
Hi thanks. Sanus is a little bit pricey. What about mounts from monoprice? Are they any good?
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I told my wife I wanted a motorized screen that can drop down from the ceiling.
Well, keep working on her. Chipping away a little at a time. And get your 'Honey Do's' done on time.
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Hi thanks. Sanus is a little bit pricey. What about mounts from monoprice? Are they any good?

Try searching for the Sanus model number on Amazon, I bought mine for half of what their website vendors are asking. The Sanus mount is a beast, very thick metal.

I've heard great things about monoprice mounts. I buy everything from monoprice but did not want to skimp on the mount.
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Try searching for the Sanus model number on Amazon, I bought mine for half of what their website vendors are asking. The Sanus mount is a beast, very thick metal.

I've heard great things about monoprice mounts. I buy everything from monoprice but did not want to skimp on the mount.
okay. do you think tilt is better than fixed?

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okay. do you think tilt is better than fixed?
Depends on how high the TV will be mounted and if you will need to tilt it.
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okay. do you think tilt is better than fixed?
Any word from Best Buy on your replacement panel?
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Any word from Best Buy on your replacement panel?
still peding.

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Not even the Kuros had pitch black letterbox bars on low APL content like Godzilla.

OLED *might*.
There's actually no might in this regard...it is at least one trump card the OLED has (even if motion resolution, longevity, and screendoor effect lag behind in comparison). Since they can switch off completely, there's no light bleed whatsoever. CR nirvana is finally here at last.

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still peding.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say it is not coming.
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okay. do you think tilt is better than fixed?
I went back and forth on whether to get a low profile or tilting mount but decided on the tilting mount in case in need to reduce glare since my display is next to some large bay windows. The middle of the plasma screen will be at 50" so I doubt I'll need the tilt but wanted to have the option.
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