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What Cnet is saying in that quote is that the VT60 PQ is better but NOT twice as good.
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is the VT60 PQ really two times better then the ST60 like it says on cnet? "There are a couple of problems, however. The first is price: the VT60 is exactly twice the cost of the ST60, and its picture is by no stretch of the imagination twice as good."
I'm not sure why you would be interested in that question at this point in the life span of Panasonic's 60 model year.

The difference is worth it to those people who look for and enjoy incremental improvements to their viewing experience. The ST60 models are thought to be the best balance of picture quality and cost for that model year. Also you left out the ZT60 which is even more expensive and slightly better.

Improvements in either audio or video get proportionally more expensive to achieve as you move up the scale. For instance, AVS just posted an article about a new pair of high end speakers that are $80,000 a pair. The speakers were matched with $60,000 worth of amplification, signal processing, and cables. If I broke my system down for stereo it cost about $2,500 if I include our OPPO player. Is it even relevant to ask if this particular stereo system is worth 56 times the cost of the one that I own and enjoy?

It's in the eyes and ears and budgets of the beholders. Enjoy.

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It's in the eyes and ears and budgets of the beholders. Enjoy.

Do you not mean to write "beer holders"?
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I'm not sure why you would be interested in that question at this point in the life span of Panasonic's 60 model year.

The difference is worth it to those people who look for and enjoy incremental improvements to their viewing experience. The ST60 models are thought to be the best balance of picture quality and cost for that model year. Also you left out the ZT60 which is even more expensive and slightly better.

Improvements in either audio or video get proportionally more expensive to achieve as you move up the scale. For instance, AVS just posted an article about a new pair of high end speakers that are $80,000 a pair. The speakers were matched with $60,000 worth of amplification, signal processing, and cables. If I broke my system down for stereo it cost about $2,500 if I include our OPPO player. Is it even relevant to ask if this particular stereo system is worth 56 times the cost of the one that I own and enjoy?

It's in the eyes and ears and budgets of the beholders. Enjoy.


basically what you're saying is the ST is pretty much the best PQ the VT and ZT are slightly better that only videophiles will pay so much more for the little bit of a difference


basically what cnet is trying to say as well ""There are a couple of problems, however. The first is price: the VT60 is exactly twice the cost of the ST60, and its picture is by no stretch of the imagination twice as good"

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The VT and ZT are just gooder!
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basically what you're saying is the ST is pretty much the best PQ the VT and ZT are slightly better that only videophiles will pay so much more for the little bit of a difference


basically what cnet is trying to say as well ""There are a couple of problems, however. The first is price: the VT60 is exactly twice the cost of the ST60, and its picture is by no stretch of the imagination twice as good"

I own both sets the VT60 is the better set, advantages of the VT60 are superior blacks, superior color accuracy, overall smoother picture with less banding. The ST60 is very good but not a "reference" panel.
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Even though my 55" seems to be much more susceptible to IR, I almost think it i has a superior picture in comparison to the 65". Perhaps that can be attributed to the higher pixel density, or maybe it's a combination of factors. Does the image generally improve, up to a point, as the panel ages?
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Even though my 55" seems to be much more susceptible to IR, I almost think it i has a superior picture in comparison to the 65". Perhaps that can be attributed to the higher pixel density, or maybe it's a combination of factors. Does the image generally improve, up to a point, as the panel ages?
Are they both VT60 models? I originally bought the 55VT60 and decided to go larger and exchanged it for the 60VT60 a week later. I found the 60VT60 to have a brighter picture out of the box than the 55VT60. Of course, all panels are different. After having the 60VT60 calibrated by Chad B, the picture seems to be getting brighter with age, currently have over 2000 hours. Not sure if this is a product of phosphors aging but the image has improved over time.
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Even though my 55" seems to be much more susceptible to IR, I almost think it i has a superior picture in comparison to the 65". Perhaps that can be attributed to the higher pixel density, or maybe it's a combination of factors. Does the image generally improve, up to a point, as the panel ages?

There is definitely a pixel density difference I noticed when I originally moved to 65" . I think my Darbee mitigates that somewhat.

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I own both sets the VT60 is the better set, advantages of the VT60 are superior blacks, superior color accuracy, overall smoother picture with less banding. The ST60 is very good but not a "reference" panel.


I wonder what the ZT has over the VT...
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It has a no gap bonded panel and has a superior AR filter gives it an advantage during the daytime. At night the performance is identical.

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I wonder what the ZT has over the VT...
The ZT has an extra, or improved, anti glare filter that offers benefits in a bright setting. There is also no air gap between the panel and the glass covering. Otherwise, they are pretty much identical from a picture quality perspective. If you watch most of your content in a dark setting, you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference, and there are features on the VT60, which are not included on the ZT60, which might make it preferable under certain circumstances.
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You mean that the option IFC / 24Smooth film need to put on the average value of the minimum?

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No idea what you're talking about? If you push the menu button on the tv remote, a menu will appear, select picture, then toggle down to the second page where the motion smoother is located.
Pictures can post it
have a look at us, too, there is a bit of European
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If you turn off IFC / 24Smooth film
Game Mode when this is necessary to include when you look Blurays movies?
say supposedly less strobing of turns
is this true?
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Im inlove with my 60VT60. Only I need to do is to get it ISF pro calibrated. Would you guys recommend d-nice? Or someone else?
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Im inlove with my 60VT60. Only I need to do is to get it ISF pro calibrated. Would you guys recommend d-nice? Or someone else?
I haven't heard anything bad about any of the calibrators that frequent to forum. Chad B calibrated mine and did a great job and I've heard the same of D-Nice!
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How to access so that we could know how many times that the tv was turn on/off already?
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No knowledge of that function, do you mean number of hours?
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Here's a link to the hours and power cycles count in the Service Mode.

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1006
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Im inlove with my 60VT60. Only I need to do is to get it ISF pro calibrated. Would you guys recommend d-nice? Or someone else?
D-Nice is outstanding.
UMR(Jeff Meier), Gregg Loewen, and Chad B, are all outstanding too.

Kevin Miller is in or close to NYC, and he is also outstanding.
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I highly recommend Chad B. He's calibrated six different displays for me over the last 10 years and I've always been absolutely thrilled. He calibrated my previous VT60 and it too looked outstanding. He's got a ton of expereience with VT60s too.

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I highly recommend Chad B. He's calibrated six different displays for me over the last 10 years and I've always been absolutely thrilled. He calibrated my previous VT60 and it too looked outstanding. He's got a ton of expereience with VT60s too.
Totally agree highly recommended

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I highly recommend Chad B. He's calibrated six different displays for me over the last 10 years and I've always been absolutely thrilled. He calibrated my previous VT60 and it too looked outstanding. He's got a ton of expereience with VT60s too.
Agree, Chad B did a great job on my VT60.
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Is there a very noticeable difference between something like THX Cinema and professional calibrator settings.
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Is there a very noticeable difference between something like THX Cinema and professional calibrator settings.
THX Cinema is off. Mine had a huge push in red. I am sure everything else was off as well.

Does not compare to a real calibration.
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Yes, very much so!! Best money you can spend IMHO!!
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Is there a very noticeable difference between something like THX Cinema and professional calibrator settings.
I think it really depends on the set, I have seen some readings that were pretty close to optimal and others that were farther off. Regardless tho even if it was dialed in at initial purchase the set will drift with time just like any other picture mode. My impression of THX Cinema is that it lacks a little pop and the gamma is off.

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Is there a very noticeable difference between something like THX Cinema and professional calibrator settings.
On my set THX was off quite a bit. Huge red push and the gamma made the image look washed out, but then you also have to factor in drift especially during the initial couple of hundred hours or so...then a slower inevitable drift after that. Pro calibration looks noticably better.
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Thanks guys.i will make an appointment for chad-b.

Does anyone of you here using a ps4 for bluray movies? If yes what are the correct settings for ps4?


Hi what are the best settings for ps4 for buray playback under video output settings?. TIA.
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