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You guys realize that running slides does not get rid of IR whatsoever, that is just a stupid rumour someone mentioned and got blown out of proportion a long time ago. I can't believe you guys actually have to go to all this trouble when watching sports. I watched from day one, everything all you have to do is vary your content and don't pause for long periods of time the first 300hrs.


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Like ive said in past posts, when your done watching a sporting event, set the tv's timer for 60 minutes, run the slides and go too bed.

You should be good.

Why bother with slides? Just bring up the built in screen wipe and let it run. Its no longer limited to 15 minutes like previous models.

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You guys realize that running slides does not get rid of IR whatsoever, that is just a stupid rumour someone mentioned and got blown out of proportion a long time ago. I can't believe you guys actually have to go to all this trouble when watching sports. I watched from day one, everything all you have to do is vary your content and don't pause for long periods of time the first 300hrs.

Slides wont get rid of burn in once its happened, that I agree with.

IR is different from burn in.
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That's always a plus I never ever noticed it on mine same with my VT50 what ever I am doing must be good, not a believer in the slides for break in either

I like the slides just to burn through the first few hundred hours fast and to make sure no other issues crop up so I can get Chad out faster to calibrate. smile.gif

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I like the slides just to burn through the first few hundred hours fast and to make sure no other issues crop up so I can get Chad out faster to calibrate. smile.gif

Oh yeah I agree there run them at night but just to get the hours in, that method of break in is no more effective than varying content imo

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Why bother with slides? Just bring up the built in screen wipe and let it run. Its no longer limited to 15 minutes like previous models.

Agreed.
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I like the slides just to burn through the first few hundred hours fast and to make sure no other issues crop up so I can get Chad out faster to calibrate. smile.gif

Oh yeah I agree there run them at night but just to get the hours in, that method of break in is no more effective than varying content imo
Hours is hours.The slides, in David's situation, are convenient because you can put them into an endless unattended loop. smile.gif
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Hours is hours.The slides, in David's situation, are convenient because you can put them into an endless unattended loop. smile.gif

As always you are wise my friend smile.gif

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Wow, relax and take a deep breath. smile.gif

I knew the risks since the procedure clearly states it in the beginning. I am confident he can read and decide for himself. I was just letting it be known that I and many others have been using a procedure like this thru quite a few VT models without any issues. The discaimer on the procedure is clear that i wouldn't blame anyone if something went wrong but others might feel different and that is what the courts are for. Isn't that what that court show says, don't take matters into your own hands, take them to court. smile.gif. smile.gif

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No you missed my point, and that is it can be hazardous to the health of your display.
That said I am not telling anybody what they should or shouldn't do. And no I wasn't trying to single you out.

I know one AVS member that uses a video camera to record everything he does when entering the service menu and others that take screen shoots of every screen they enter before they make any changes or not. .

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The slides are not intended to be used for any other reason than D-Nice's procedure. Use the screen wipe and/or pixel flipper.
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Slides wont get rid of burn in once its happened, that I agree with.

IR is different from burn in.

I have said it many times, some panels are more prone to IR than others. I never said it was a non issue, it is a non issue for me but I realize a lot of people have been unfortunate with IR. I just find it funny that people still believe that running slides will get rid of IR, it won't. It has been confirmed by the man that created the slides. Dnice. They are just used to age and prepare the panel for his calibration settings. If it makes you guys feel better go ahead and slide away every night. Obviously BI in different than IR.rolleyes.gif

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I have said it many times, some panels are more prone to IR than others. I never said it was a non issue, it is for me but I realize a lot of people have been unfortunate with IR. I just find it funny that people still believe that running slides will get rid of IR, it won't. It has been confirmed by the man that created the slides. Dnice. They are just used to age and prepare the panel for his calibration settings. If it makes you guys feel better go ahead and slide away every night. Obviously BI in different than IR.rolleyes.gif

True. I've not noticed any ir with the vt60 that lasted longer than a minute or so, but slides definitely won't get rid of it. Use the screen wipe, pixel flipper, or just use the set normally.
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Hours is hours.The slides, in David's situation, are convenient because you can put them into an endless unattended loop. smile.gif

One of the nice features of the VT60 is there is no time limit for the sweeper, so it will run until you turn it off.

As far as slides go I only run them because of getting some hours on my VT60, before I calibrate. However I also watch full screen Blu Rau movies and run the sweeper.
Once I calibrate I will not use the slides anymore, only the sweeper if I see a little IR from whatever.

The key to getting rid of IR is to use the sweeper before you turn off your display, if you see some IR building up.
Mater of fact for all you folks that are going to have a pro come and calibrate, I would suggest after he leaves run the sweeper. The pattern windows that he/she uses can and probably will cause a little IR.wink.gif .

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Man, those goons over at Best Buy have screwed up my delivery date twice now canceling at the last minute. They were supposed to deliver it again today, then cancelled claiming they cannot find any VT60s anywhere. Might just go elsewhere...getting really tired of it.
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I'm telling you, at first they come off like a decent company but when you rely on them for anything they turn into the complete opposite. :/ I won't be making any future purchases with them, I can tell you that much.

I was "promised" by the manager it will get delivered tomorrow. I cannot imagine a third screw-up, but we'll see.

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The slides are not intended to be used for any other reason than D-Nice's procedure. Use the screen wipe and/or pixel flipper.
It's the settings that D-Nice provides for the 100 hours of running the slides, in his procedure, that shouldn't be used elsewhere. The slides are just that -- slides. They can be used for anything that's useful.

In my personal opinion, normal viewing material is better for removing IR than the slides. If I ever have IR to deal with, I'll use something like a 1.78:1 aspect ratio Pixar movie set to loop. They provide a lot of random exercise for IR-ed pixels. biggrin.gif
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AVForums posted a review on the 65VT60/65.

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-VT65-VT60-TX-P65VT65B-P55VT65B-P50VT65B-3D-Plasma-Television-Review_535/Review.html


In addition, the reviewer posted his calibration settings in the comments section.

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Wow, that is awesome and very welcome news indeed.

So not sure what you mean by 2 hours of grayscale panel IR? Are you saying you put up a gray slide for 2 hours to intentionally make your white screen seem dirty then do a one minute of break in slides to see all traces of the gray IR disappear? I'm guessing you got the graypanel IR somehow, intentional or not, just wondering more details. smile.gif

Cheers!

Did a grayscale calibration, I meant too say 2 hours of grayscale windows left a window imprint outline on the television, which took a mere minute to wipe clean.

Where as when the television was just mere hours old it took about a half hour too get rid of the ghost image of the IRE windows.
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At the shootout i thought d-nice said the 2013 panasonics have greatly improved IR and is actually better then this years competitor samsung
Yes, that was stated by d-nice during the shootout.
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Did a grayscale calibration, I meant too say 2 hours of grayscale windows left a window imprint outline on the television, which took a mere minute to wipe clean.

Where as when the television was just mere hours old it took about a half hour too get rid of the ghost image of the IRE windows.


Thanks for clarifying.

I guess my panel is much more stubborn since I've used the sweeper recently for 3 hours and still see faint letters. Sure hope it improves as my panel gets more hours but even if it doesn't, I don't feel it gets in the way of enjoying an the awesome PQ but more that makes me wonder what will occur when I start watching sports which I haven't done due to wanting to get more hours on it. I thought about exchanging it as a Silver Rewards member with BB since I have 60 days but wonder if really worth it or not since to my eyes, the PQ is spot on.
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I found the VT60 better with IR compared to the F8500 and my ST30.

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Did a grayscale calibration, I meant too say 2 hours of grayscale windows left a window imprint outline on the television, which took a mere minute to wipe clean.

Where as when the television was just mere hours old it took about a half hour too get rid of the ghost image of the IRE windows.


Thanks for clarifying.

I guess my panel is much more stubborn since I've used the sweeper recently for 3 hours and still see faint letters. Sure hope it improves as my panel gets more hours but even if it doesn't, I don't feel it gets in the way of enjoying an the awesome PQ but more that makes me wonder what will occur when I start watching sports which I haven't done due to wanting to get more hours on it. I thought about exchanging it as a Silver Rewards member with BB since I have 60 days but wonder if really worth it or not since to my eyes, the PQ is spot on.

If you only see it while running slides, forget about it.

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So I went I to the service menu and it had 33 minutes and 17 power ons. I got him down to $2200 but the glasses were missing. The picture just seemed okay. I mean the tv was returned for a reason right.

Anyway I decided to walk away from the tv.... I could still go back... Lol

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So I went I to the service menu and it had 33 minutes and 17 power ons. I got him down to $2200 but the glasses were missing. The picture just seemed okay. I mean the tv was returned for a reason right.

Anyway I decided to walk away from the tv.... I could still go back... Lol

How do they accept a return with missing acessories ? Last time I returned something at best buy they went over it with a microscope, Not alot of Plasma experts anymore could have been returned just becasue they never took it out of standard mode, 33 minutes doesn't seem like much time to evaluate anything to me.

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How do they accept a return with missing acessories ? Last time I returned something at best buy they went over it with a microscope, Not alot of Plasma experts anymore could have been returned just becasue they never took it out of standard mode, 33 minutes doesn't seem like much time to evaluate anything to me.
So I wonder why it was returned??

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So I won
So I wonder why it was returned??

Hard to say raally, what picture modes did you view it in. btw not trying to talk you into anything I usually steer clear of open box sets but this sounds like a pretty good deal is it 65" ?

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AVForums posted a review on the 65VT60/65.

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-VT65-VT60-TX-P65VT65B-P55VT65B-P50VT65B-3D-Plasma-Television-Review_535/Review.html


In addition, the reviewer posted his calibration settings in the comments section.

I don't get it ? I thought the ZT and VT had the same black level ? is there any uncertainty about this ??
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I don't get it ? I thought the ZT and VT had the same black level ? is there any uncertainty about this ??

They have the exact same MLL (at least in the U.S.). The ZT has a more aggressive filter to make blacks appear darker and less reflective in a lighted room.

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So the EU review was just wrong or the EU versus NA units have diff MLL ?
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So the EU review was just wrong or the EU versus NA units have diff MLL ?

I think its quite possible that the EU units have a different mll.
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