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post #2881 of 14798 Old 06-24-2013, 12:22 PM
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If my viewing distance is 10-15 ft, is the 65" too small? I am between a 65" vt/zt or a 70-80" LED. I like the picture better on the vt/zt but I think at the maximum viewing distance it will just be a little small.

I would advise to try and sit closer to 10 feet if possible. Perhaps re-arrange your room or try to move your seat or display closer to one another.

A big drop off in PQ when you go the 70-80" LED route unless you need or want a lot of light output.

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Yes, certainly at 15 feet, though 10 feet would be sufficient.
So im at 10' should i move back to 15' ?

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So im at 10' should i move back to 15' ?
This was the question I was answering:

"If my viewing distance is 10-15 ft, is the 65" too small?"

and the answer (for the sake of clarification) again:

"Yes, certainly at 15 feet, though 10 feet would be sufficient."
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I think so.. I run slides at night and during the day when i'm not home. Otherwise I watch HD content and minimize static images on the screen. I own 3 plasma tvs, and this has always worked for me (no IR issues at all).


The more hours I put on the panel, the better the picture seems to get. I want to make sure that when Kevin does his calibration that the panel is well seasoned and all possible shifting has occurred before his works his magic. I have done this same procedure with other panels 9most recently with my 65VT30) and it has worked well.
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96hz vs 60 hz on the VT60

Is there a consensus as to which gives the most authentic presentation of 24p blu-ray content?

In theory, 96hz should. Although I haven't done many A/B comparisons with 60hz on the VT60 itself.

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The more hours I put on the panel, the better the picture seems to get. I want to make sure that when Kevin does his calibration that the panel is well seasoned and all possible shifting has occurred before his works his magic. I have done this same procedure with other panels 9most recently with my 65VT30) and it has worked well.

I imagine though you'll have Kevin back out for tune-ups after the initial calibration as drift will always happen at any age.

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In theory, 96hz should. Although I haven't done many A/B comparisons with 60hz on the VT60 itself.

There was a weird algorithm anomaly with 96hz last year hopefully that has been corrected in the 2013 models

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The 96hz and 1080p Direct on the VT60 gives a bit better motion and sometimes even looks a hair sharper compared to the ST30 which runs best at 60hz. I do believe the VT60 measures better line resolution in motion compared to the ST30. Perhaps the 1080p Direct mode actually helps here too.

96hz vs 60 hz on the VT60

Is there a consensus as to which gives the most authentic presentation of 24p blu-ray content?

if you want 'authentic' you go 48hz or 96hz. If you want to blur out some of the 24p judder you introduce telecine judder with 60hz conversion, it also makes the 'flicker' less noticeable. With the lights totally off, I prefer 48hz, although if the image is paused, it does look terrible, but otherwise it does give me the most film like experience (with lights on I go 96z). that's my take.
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In theory, 96hz should. Although I haven't done many A/B comparisons with 60hz on the VT60 itself.

I'm running 96hz for bluray 24p content, and the motion is smooth and film-like. The fly-by scene over the US Intrepid in "I am Legend" is buttery smooth. Another example is the opening IMAX scene in "Dark Knight" which pans into a building. Unlike my D8000's 'Cinema Smooth' option, there is no black level penalty for engaging this option on the VT60.

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I imagine though you'll have Kevin back out for tune-ups after the initial calibration as drift will always happen at any age.


Absolutely! I am going to have him do a tune-up on my 65VT30 while he is here as well. Be real interested in what drift has occurred on that panel after two years of moderate usage.
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This was the question I was answering:

"If my viewing distance is 10-15 ft, is the 65" too small?"

and the answer (for the sake of clarification) again:

"Yes, certainly at 15 feet, though 10 feet would be sufficient."
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There was a weird algorithm anomaly with 96hz last year hopefully that has been corrected in the 2013 models

I believe 96hz is working properly.

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More comments on 48 v 60 v 96hz much appreciated.

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One more thing about the VT60. Once properly calibrated while watching a high quality Blu-ray film source (in dark room), it's as if you're watching a natural projected image. This display is capable of producing a very natural, film-like look. It's that good. I never quite got this feeling on my ST30 nor Samsung F8500 - although that was one not pro cal'd when I had it. However, the floating blacks in a dark room definitely hurt the film-like effect I have described.


Even when i watched the Last star fighter the detail and blacks were amazing . I remember watching it on the st30 and i was like wow its different. I wanted the best blacks and i am happy to hear me and you are on the same page. When i saw both sets at the store i could tell the black levels and transitions were off on the f8500.
Maybe i just have a eye for this since i owned several different pannasonic plasmas
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Here is a shot with just 25 hours on my 60vt60 and the contrast cranked way down.
For sure it beats my 65vt30 and comes so close to my now sold Kuro.

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More comments on 48 v 60 v 96hz much appreciated.

I seem to recall they used 96hz at the Shootout.

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David glad you are enjoying your display and calibration. Thanks for posting your reports also very informative. It's interesting to see that he was able to squeeze 40fL out of it in day mode and very interesting that he was using constant APL windows.

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I seem to recall they used 96hz at the Shootout.
96hz is the only way to watch movies

why even think about using 48 or 60hz ROFL
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So who is this chad and how does he calibrate or infect how much does he charge and I am assuming he doesn't go to a different city just to calibrate a tv.
I am running my 60vt60 on 50 contrast and 0 brightness as mentioned in cant settings and its barely visible . Too dark forms lighting I guess.
How ar you guys breaking it? Run Denice slides for approx 100 hrs that's it.? And then what do you input in the settings?
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So who is this chad and how does he calibrate or infect how much does he charge and I am assuming he doesn't go to a different city just to calibrate a tv.
I am running my 60vt60 on 50 contrast and 0 brightness as mentioned in cant settings and its barely visible . Too dark forms lighting I guess.
How ar you guys breaking it? Run Denice slides for approx 100 hrs that's it.? And then what do you input in the settings?

He does indeed travel to other cities/states. He's what's known as a "touring calibrator", there are many out there, he's regarded as one of the top calibrators.

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He does indeed travel to other cities/states. He's what's known as a "touring calibrator", there are many out there, he's regarded as one of the top calibrators.
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You spent 10 minutes at Best Buy and have arrived at a rock-solid decision. Interesting.

Yes, because I know what to look for. I have spent countless hours observing posterization. Note, I did not say the vt30 is better. I just commented on the posterization. When you know what to look for, it does not take much time if you are intelligent enough.
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I also am an owner of now both a 65VT30 (Kevin Miller calibrated) and a 65VT60 (soon to be Kevin Miller calibrated). I can honestly tell you that even without Kevin's magic, the VT60 is in every picture quality way a better panel. I am very impressed on how much better the VT60 is since my VT30 is less then two years old! I attanded this year's Shootout going in as a sure ZT60 buyer. I spend two solid days comparing the VT60 and the ZT60. The tradeoff for me was the better light output of the VT over the ZT. The ZT clearly has a better filter for light/glare control, but for me the light output and contrast improvement gave the VT the edge. I will say that the VT60 has more ambient light reflections then the VT30. For hose of you who watch alot of TV in a bright room, the ZT would probably be a better choice. The big story this year is just how good both the VT and ZT are, and that in a dark room, the VT and ZT look exactly the same.

I do not think I ever claimed that vt30 is better than vt60. Although I have not done a side by side comparison, from what I have seen at Best Buy, it is quite obvious that vt60 trumps its predecessor. However, I was disappointed to see posterization on the new panel. That is all I am saying. To me vt30 is a fine panel but posterization is one big letdown. VT60 maybe better (don't know that for sure), but it is still there.
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He does indeed travel to other cities/states. He's what's known as a "touring calibrator", there are many out there, he's regarded as one of the top calibrators.

Chad did my VT60 yesterday. Although I've only had time to watch the tunnel chase and hospital explosion The Dark Knight Returns (which looked awesome), he did a great job explaining everything. Wholeheartedly recommend him. I live in western New York and was lucky he was in the area 2 weeks after I set up an appointment.
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I do not think I ever claimed that vt30 is better than vt60. Although I have not done a side by side comparison, from what I have seen at Best Buy, it is quite obvious that vt60 trumps its predecessor. However, I was disappointed to see posterization on the new panel. That is all I am saying. To me vt30 is a fine panel but posterization is one big letdown. VT60 maybe better (don't know that for sure), but it is still there.

So. You spend a few moments at Best Buy and somehow draw a rock-solid conclusion. Although that is not possible, I'm happy for you. Now then, for everyone else, don't go to Best Buy and expect to determine anything.

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So. You spend a few moments at Best Buy and somehow draw a rock-solid conclusion. Although that is not possible, I'm happy for you. Now then, for everyone else, don't go to Best Buy and expect to determine anything.
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