Okay, I've been following this thread for a while. I've been using Pie's latest calibration values (and his previous revs also). His cal was just a little too dim/subdued for my normal viewing, and I always found myself bumping the cell light to 20 to give me a more pleasing picture to my eyes. All this time, there was something about his cal numbers that left me scratching my head...something was just a little amiss. I would jump back to my "standard" settings, and could then see a "clearer" picture, with less of a veil effect, less tint, a little more brightness.
Today, I gave Elvamir's settings a try.......OMG! Alleluia!! Sir, you knocked it out of the ballpark with those cal numbers!! Damn!! His cal is more pleasing to my eyes, and, imo, seems brighter than Pie's cal. I agree with Pie when he said he measured a "brighter" screen compared to his. There is absolutely no detectable veil, or off tinting effects that I can make out. Mighty fine!!
I've been really grateful for all the 8500 owners who have donated their time/knowledge and provided their cal baselines for the rest of us owners. I really do think it comes down to "what's pleasing to one's own eyes". The 8500 sure does expose a bad source, but also makes a very good source just "pop" out of the screen(a 3d effect in 2d). Looking forward to more fruitful discussions on this thread. It's been great so far......thanks!!!