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surfmlb, and anyone else for that matter, try Elvamir's cal, you may like it smile.gif
It's too bright for me, but the whites certainly are white, almost artificially so, and it has highlighted a deficiency in my cal for slightly too much green.

I will try it. Does he have a 51"?

Update: I tried it didnt like the extra saturation it just doesnt look to me nearly as good as yours.
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Okay, I've been following this thread for a while. I've been using Pie's latest calibration values (and his previous revs also). His cal was just a little too dim/subdued for my normal viewing, and I always found myself bumping the cell light to 20 to give me a more pleasing picture to my eyes. All this time, there was something about his cal numbers that left me scratching my head...something was just a little amiss. I would jump back to my "standard" settings, and could then see a "clearer" picture, with less of a veil effect, less tint, a little more brightness.

Today, I gave Elvamir's settings a try.......OMG! Alleluia!! Sir, you knocked it out of the ballpark with those cal numbers!! Damn!! His cal is more pleasing to my eyes, and, imo, seems brighter than Pie's cal. I agree with Pie when he said he measured a "brighter" screen compared to his. There is absolutely no detectable veil, or off tinting effects that I can make out. Mighty fine!!

I've been really grateful for all the 8500 owners who have donated their time/knowledge and provided their cal baselines for the rest of us owners. I really do think it comes down to "what's pleasing to one's own eyes". The 8500 sure does expose a bad source, but also makes a very good source just "pop" out of the screen(a 3d effect in 2d). Looking forward to more fruitful discussions on this thread. It's been great so far......thanks!!!
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Yeah if you want bright then his cal is for you. The difference between light and dark is a little too much for me. I'm more on the dimmer preference. Especially night viewing. This goes back to me believing I don't think you can calibrate to 35fL with cell at 20. I think his cal is much brighter then he thinks and all other cals I have seen confirm the cell to fL ratio.

My main concern is the green tint in
Mine which I will certainly attempt to rectify tonight. I haven't told the wife yet lol
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Okay, I've been following this thread for a while. I've been using Pie's latest calibration values (and his previous revs also). His cal was just a little too dim/subdued for my normal viewing, and I always found myself bumping the cell light to 20 to give me a more pleasing picture to my eyes. All this time, there was something about his cal numbers that left me scratching my head...something was just a little amiss. I would jump back to my "standard" settings, and could then see a "clearer" picture, with less of a veil effect, less tint, a little more brightness.

Today, I gave Elvamir's settings a try.......OMG! Alleluia!! Sir, you knocked it out of the ballpark with those cal numbers!! Damn!! His cal is more pleasing to my eyes, and, imo, seems brighter than Pie's cal. I agree with Pie when he said he measured a "brighter" screen compared to his. There is absolutely no detectable veil, or off tinting effects that I can make out. Mighty fine!!

I've been really grateful for all the 8500 owners who have donated their time/knowledge and provided their cal baselines for the rest of us owners. I really do think it comes down to "what's pleasing to one's own eyes". The 8500 sure does expose a bad source, but also makes a very good source just "pop" out of the screen(a 3d effect in 2d). Looking forward to more fruitful discussions on this thread. It's been great so far......thanks!!!

Interesting. I think Pie's settings are much better on the eyes and not so saturated and the skin tones and colors are more realistic on my set to me. I guess to each his own. Maybe you came from an LCD and expect more brightness?
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Interesting. I think Pie's settings are much better on the eyes and not so saturated and the skin tones and colors are more realistic on my set to me. I guess to each his own. Maybe you came from an LCD and expect more brightness?
I've owned a plasma tv since 2005. Yes, it sure is interesting about the difference of opinion. How do you like your potatoes? Baked or fried? LOL
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Does anyone know why my Film Mode and Screen fit would be greyed out? I can't try cinema smooth and I can only put it in 16:9 or zoom modes. I am watching through DirecTV box. When I first got the TV I had the option to switch to screen fit etc.
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^What picture mode is your TV in?
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I've owned a plasma tv since 2005. Yes, it sure is interesting about the difference of opinion. How do you like your potatoes? Baked or fried? LOL

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We all have different preferences.
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Yes we all have different preferences for presentation, that was my point in my earlier post. There's getting the content accurate, then there is getting the presentation of it to your liking. I think pie's settings look mighty fine too, it's just a preference difference.

Pie, I measure at 100% white as well. I'll try and get the chart posted later today after work. Interesting, may be a difference in equipment or calman version or something. Heh.

As for your green I'm sure it's in your greyscale not your CMS. You an see it if you look at pattern or black and white content. Might be a spike at a certain level along the line, if I had to guess more in the high end 60% or above. Take a look and see.
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Yes we all have different preferences for presentation, that was my point in my earlier post. There's getting the content accurate, then there is getting the presentation of it to your liking. I think pie's settings look mighty fine too, it's just a preference difference.

Pie, I measure at 100% white as well. I'll try and get the chart posted later today after work. Interesting, may be a difference in equipment or calman version or something. Heh.

As for your green I'm sure it's in your greyscale not your CMS. You an see it if you look at pattern or black and white content. Might be a spike at a certain level along the line, if I had to guess more in the high end 60% or above. Take a look and see.

Reference the light output are you both using the same size windows ? That can make a difference
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Pie, I measure at 100% white as well.

Windows or full screen? If full screen ABL will kick in big time and that's why you're seeing low fL.
We simply can't be seeing such a big difference due to meters...
I have an i1D3 too.

Thanks for the tips on finding the goblin smile.gif
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Elvamir the easiest way for me to ask as I've been doing it all day lol smile.gif is what 100% white SLIDE did you use to make your 35fL reading? I don't need to see the results as they are way off what I am seeing.
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I don't use avshd any longer (at least not regularly) I prefer spears & munsil. Like their tools/patterns better. This particular cal was the latest release (2nd gen) and no, not full screen patterns. Also not with TV menu up. Do you have yours up during cal? Could cause some issues.

I agree the meters are unlikely the cause of that kind of variation. It is very possible my greyscale settings are just not transferring the same to your set you know. You and one other poster see over saturation and blown out blinding whites, I don't experience that here. Could be my 100% white tweaks are off for your set is all.

You sure you are set the same fully? Nothing else accidentally on or still from your settings? Very odd.

Gad you found the goblin, and hope you slay it! :-P Green is the worst for killing colors, it just creeps in everywhere.


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^Nope, no menu, and as I said the correct matching reading of fL using someone elses cal with a calman 100% window slide.

I don't get it, my head esplode!!!! biggrin.gif
I keep going back to my belief that I think your cal is way higher than 35fL with cell at 20, contrast 88, AND you have gamma at +1. There's no other explanation for it smile.gif

At the shootout they were 40fL with cell at 16, contrast 90 eek.gif
Me no understand!!

no.compute.must.stop.thinking.about.it...

I'm telling you that you really do have a bright cal, it's way brighter than mine, comparing the two and mine is too bright for night time viewing and has been verified at 45fL cool.gif
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^Nope, no menu, and as I said the correct matching reading of fL using someone elses cal with a calman 100% window slide.

I don't get it, my head esplode!!!! biggrin.gif
I keep going back to my belief that I think your cal is way higher than 35fL with cell at 20, contrast 88, AND you have gamma at +1. There's no other explanation for it smile.gif

At the shootout they were 40fL with cell at 16, contrast 90 eek.gif
Me no understand!!

no.compute.must.stop.thinking.about.it...

I'm telling you that you really do have a bright cal, it's way brighter than mine, comparing the two and mine is too bright for night time viewing and has been verified at 45fL cool.gif

Contrast 88???? Should be contrast 82, look at my settings again. And actually the original cal that gave me 35ish fl was at 81, as I mentioned. Might have found the culprit! 88 contrast would certainly explain it. I now imagine flames shooting out from your set and scorching your eyes. ;-)

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Sorry my bad, I meant contrast 82. I have 88 on the brain.
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^What picture mode is your TV in?
Movie Mode.
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Tonight I will repeat a test I've done before and put cell to 16, contrast to 90, gamma 0 and measure a 100% window slide, no menu showing. I will read +/-40fL

Then I will put cell to 20 and contrast to 82, gamma to +1 and it will read 49fL just like it did last night.
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Oh. Well it must be the greyscale not translating then, especially in 100% white were I have the most drastic of my 10p fine tuning. Could easily slip to blue on your set and spike the results. To me, with your settings things were much brighter than mine, I even commented on that I think, so it has to be a greyscale thing. Try with your greyscale settings and see if the other combination of my settings is still giving you such a high fl.

Also, measure with 81/47 and see what you get. That is where I measured the 35fl. I doubt one notch up to 82/48 shot my fl up +14 but worth a go. :-P

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Now I'm intrigued too, my brain can't process why there old be such a big difference, plus my eyes aren't seeing it. We'll figure it out!


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Elvamir, what picture mode are you in and what size is your TV? I am going to try yours out. I have been using Pie's and have been happy using it. Want to try yours as well.
Thanks!
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Crazy bonkers! Why don't you see if you get 40fL with the shootout numbers and your slide? That would be a good test.
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Because my Dad has the meter. Lol. I should just 'effin order one...


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Elvamir, what picture mode are you in and what size is your TV? I am going to try yours out. I have been using Pie's and have been happy using it. Want to try yours as well.
Thanks!

Movie mode and 64".


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Pie, how many hours does your TV have?


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Last time I checked 400+

I got one early on. 51inch here.
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On my tv, Pie's settings are definitely less bright than Elvamir's. I'm just wondering if I'm interpreting that extra brightness difference as less tint/veil (or the green artifacts, as you say)..lol. Heck, I would expect cell 20 to give a brighter image than cell 16.
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On my tv, Pie's settings are definitely less bright than Elvamir's. I'm just wondering if I'm translating that extra brightness difference as less tint/veil (or the green artifacts, as you say)..lol. Heck, I would expect cell 20 to give a brighter image than cell 16.

And I would expect a 94 contrast to give a much MUCH brighter picture than 82. That's a bigger swing in light output than 16 to 20 cell.


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^not with this TV! Rules changed!
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Last time I checked 400+

I got one early on. 51inch here.

Alright so no difference there really, other than TV size. I got mine very early as well. Could be a factor? Could be the patterns, could be the probe, could be (most likely) the greyscale not copying to your set. Still think try your greyscale and see if you get different results. 20 does also turn abl off (effectively) so that could be a factor but still doesn't explain why I didn't measure so high at 20. Who the heck knows. :-P At the end of the day you like it or not I suppose, regardless the actual fl. But I'm sure I would notice 49fl, so it has to be a greyscale settings copy thing.

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