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Given the nature of the display, dropping cell down to 16-17 appears appropriate. If you can still get ANSI whites above 30 ftL for your Day cal go for it.

Zoyd, bringing up one of your posts last night:

Are you referring to the checkerboard 16 ANSI white pattern?
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you, and pie must be smoking the same stuff.wink.gif
Anything that enhances the picture is fair game. biggrin.gif
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Okay I just grabbed some readings from my 45fL cal:

ANSI 16 (4x4)

All blacks read .01fL (pointless but fun).

Whites read in position order:

2: 40.67
4: 45.09
5: 41.50
7: 43.09
10: 42.37
12: 43.83
13: 43.39
15: 42.92

Is that helpful to you?
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Is that helpful to you?

not really, but thanks for posting. biggrin.gif
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It's certainly above 30fL and I think is showing what weird things ABL is doing to certain areas, if only very gently?

Does that show that the ABL works higher up the brightness scale compared to the D and E plasmas?
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The 30 ftL comment was meant for your reduced cell, night calibration. Basically if you target 30 ftL using a reduced cell can you still maintain that level in the ANSI pattern, showing that the reduced cell doesn't push you into ABL territory.

I don't know what would cause the non-uniformity, it's interesting.
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I'm actually starting to like this 45fL for night time too with a couple of lights on in the den.
Because the TV wants to be bright, I'm letting it a little bit. It seems to show off better smile.gif

I'm trying to work out the benefits of muffling this down to 35fL.
I know that's the 'standard', but again, perhaps this TV will start to change that, and folks will go a little bit higher just because the screen will work a bit better.

/feel free to knock me down and burn my soul for saying this anyone reading.....eek.gif
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...Basically if you target 30 ftL using a reduced cell can you still maintain that level in the ANSI pattern, showing that the reduced cell doesn't push you into ABL territory...

Understood. I shall try again...
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Okay;

Strange stuff happening.

Reduced cell to 13
Everything else untouched.

An APL 100% white reads 36.2fL

The ANSI 16 reads as follows:
2: 37.25
4: 41.44
5: 38.23
7: 39.41
10: 38.68
12: 40.03
13: 39.58
15: 39.24

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I think it's to do with the screens' lens 'coatings/prism type whatever' they created to help make it so bright. It seems to reflect light around in a way the meter is picking up.
What do you think is going on?
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^ Motion.
It helps sew everything together and smooth out the picture especially in panning shots, but at the expense of blacks, which seems to be a quirk with it.
It can look too artificial on some material, and work well on other material.
I'd rather keep my blacks thank you very much so it's off unless I'm playing around wink.gif

Did you measure difference with CS and without it?
With D-series it affected but not with E, now with F it worsen mll again?
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^ No I have not measured but you can see with the eye that blacks get lighter. I think buzz is going to do some quick CS tests on Saturday with his doozy meter wink.gif
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^ No I have not measured but you can see with the eye that blacks get lighter. I think buzz is going to do some quick CS tests on Saturday with his doozy meter wink.gif

Oh, then it really affect if you can see that by eyes.
Let´s wait some MLL vs. APL with and without CS measurings, interesting to see results.

I assume that also with new Panasonics APL don´t affect to MLL, seems that Samsung do things different in that category.
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^ I haven't tested it with the new firmware, it's possible they have fixed it. I won't know until tomorrow when I will test.
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Ok the election is over. Obama won with a landslide victory. The shootout is over. Samsung won barely. Reading this I'm gonna have to find a support group. Lol. Go buy a plasma or LCD that suits your needs. Let go.
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Go buy a plasma or LCD that suits your needs. Let go.

Was that for me?
I have plasma for my needs, Samsung PS64E8005 wink.gif
Discussion about features is not choosing side for Panasonic or Samsung, it´s just discussion and making some discovery.
I suggest taking any Samsung, Panasonic or what ever brand glasses of from head and see things fairly.
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no. It's for all of us. Samsung rocks and Panasonic is pretty close. Win win situation for all
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no. It's for all of us. Samsung rocks and Panasonic is pretty close. Win win situation for all

Ok smile.gif
But Pioneer still wins tongue.gif
You can find some interesting discussion from here:
http://forums.hdtvtest.co.uk/index.php?topic=7749.msg33029#msg33029
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Just a small question,

What do you guys think of the Motion Judder Cancellation on this set? I have connected my pc, and use it to play movies on the Samsung, but I have some motion judder in some scenes, so I put MJC on the maximum setting.
This makes the image very nice and smooth to my eyes. It almost looks sharper as wel in some cases. Isn't this sort of processing usually bad for picture quality though?

Does anyone else use MJC?

MJC is essential for 3D IMO. It makes it much more realistic and fluid/easy to watch. Anything animated I like MJC and I also use it for reality type TV shows like Survivor. Not crazy about it on network sitcoms and some movies from DirecTV. I mostly use Standard but sometimes Smooth in 3D. I've asked Samsung about adding more granularity like their LCD sets have.

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I see it too. I noticed an improvement immediately when I turned on my set this morning.

Can't say I see any real change.
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Did you measure difference with CS and without it?
With D-series it affected but not with E, now with F it worsen mll again?

Katzmaier measured a jump from 0.002 to 0.004 ftL
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Okay;

Strange stuff happening.

Reduced cell to 13
Everything else untouched.

An APL 100% white reads 36.2fL

The ANSI 16 reads as follows:
2: 37.25
4: 41.44
5: 38.23
7: 39.41
10: 38.68
12: 40.03
13: 39.58
15: 39.24

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I think it's to do with the screens' lens 'coatings/prism type whatever' they created to help make it so bright. It seems to reflect light around in a way the meter is picking up.
What do you think is going on?

Patch 2 is ~10% lower than the other in both your tests, where is it? upper right corner? the other readings are close enough that I wouldn't worry about it and being a bit higher than the APL reading is not a problem. So running the lower cell is not an issue with peak whites.
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^yep the second white patch top right. I was reading left to right. You can't tell that it's different. To the eye they all look the same brightness.
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Katzmaier measured a jump from 0.002 to 0.004 ftL

Subjectively, that seems about right according what I saw. There is a significant rise with CS. In my opinion, CS is not needed as 60hz is fine on this display. I saw no issues with motion on content.

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Well it was fun working through the process to discover this! Like you said Pie, we're all here learning. Very interesting stuff, indeed! Good to know neither of us are crazy. :-)

So, I have to admit to a BIG rookie mistake. I had inadvertently left warm1 on viewing your cal. I mean of all the..... eek.gif
I must have seen 'warm1' so many times and just assumed it was warm2. Oh well.... No wonder I was seeing blue-white - it would have totally futzed up the 2p reading I did. When I get home later tonight I'll pull another for comparisons sake.

So now with the correct settings, all double checked, I do see a lot of red. Very pinkie flesh tones. I think this was reported by another member also who has a 64"
A good test I did was to visit CNN HD and check out their faces in the studio. They have their faces covered in foundation all theatrical style. Your cal is showing way too much red for me.
I also notice the whites are a bit too strong. The difference between light and dark is too contrasty. A quick view of TDK emphasizes this. Blacks are nice.

I'm still perplexed about the fL variation between our readings. I would expect a small difference, but not +/-14fL
Hopefully someone else with a meter and your size TV can do a quick measurement for us on your settings, that would be great.

The purpose of me saying this is to show the difference across the range. If we can somehow document this, it would be good for all. smile.gif
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I'm still perplexed about the fL variation between our readings. I would expect a small difference, but not +/-14fL
Shouldn't that difference drop a little bit if you measure at "warm-2" instead of "warm-1"? Yeah, that would throw off ghe readings/coloring for sure. Oh well, at least you were able to catch that....I like to go to qvc or hsn networks to check my settings for flesh tones. Changing the color space from auto to your custom values drops the reds a little....it's noticeable.
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^ maybe the fL will drop a click. I'll know tonight. Regards the red, I think that's due to the hard settings at 90 and 100% he did to flatten out gamma with a side effect of going too red.
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Any recommended setting's for game mode?
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^ maybe the fL will drop a click. I'll know tonight. Regards the red, I think that's due to the hard settings at 90 and 100% he did to flatten out gamma with a side effect of going too red.
His 2-pt values for red gain/offset are up there too...highest I've seen yet for that cal setting (32/31).
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