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hey guys, i am a complete noob to this tv and cant figure out a few things. for the colors, i only see red, blue, green and each only has one number to change. where do i access all the other colors and how do i adjust 3 separate numbers???
super confused!

Advance settings then color space then click custom
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hey guys, i am a complete noob to this tv and cant figure out a few things. for the colors, i only see red, blue, green and each only has one number to change. where do i access all the other colors and how do i adjust 3 separate numbers???
super confused!

Don't know where you're seeing those.

If you have HDMI enabled and you're in the Movie, CAL-DAY, or CAL-NIGHT preset, go to Advanced Settings -> Color Space. Change from Auto to Custom. There, you'll see it say "Red" below. You can change that to one of six colors, which can be tweaked via red, green, and blue light output.
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Thanks for your help guys. Another quick ?, for Kevin Miller s calibration results, are his numbers posted somewhere? I found his pdfs but they are mostly charts/graphs, how do you interpret those???
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You can see in those pdfs the first page the brightness, Contrast, color etc
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Thanks for your help guys. Another quick ?, for Kevin Miller s calibration results, are his numbers posted somewhere? I found his pdfs but they are mostly charts/graphs, how do you interpret those???

They're a little confusing. Here's how I see them:


CAL-DAY

Cell Light: 20
Contrast: 95
Brightness: 46
Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: G50/R50

Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
Color Space: Auto
10p White Balance: On
Gamma: 0

Color Tone: Warm 2
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
Film Mode: Off
Motion Judder Canceler: Off
Black optimizer: Off

White Balance: 22, 25, 22, 29, 25, 25

10p White Balance (R G B)
1: 0 0 0
2: 0 0 0
3: -4 -2 +3
4: -4 0 +3
5: -4 0 +8
6: -8 0 +1
7: -6 -2 +7
8: 0 0 0
9: -10 0 +8
10: -3 0 0


CAL-NIGHT

Cell Light: 13
Contrast: 95
Brightness: 47
Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: G50/R50

Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
Color Space: Auto
10p White Balance: Off
Gamma: -2

Color Tone: Warm 2
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
Film Mode: Off
Motion Judder Canceler: Off
Black optimizer: Off

White Balance: 21, 25, 24, 23, 25, 26
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You do have them switched. High are gains and lows are cuts.
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You do have them switched. High are gains and lows are cuts.

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They're a little confusing. Here's how I see them:


CAL-DAY

Cell Light: 20
Contrast: 95
Brightness: 46
Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: G50/R50

Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
Color Space: Auto
10p White Balance: On
Gamma: 0

Color Tone: Warm 2
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
Film Mode: Off
Motion Judder Canceler: Off
Black optimizer: Off

White Balance: 22, 25, 22, 29, 25, 25

10p White Balance (R G B)
1: 0 0 0
2: 0 0 0
3: -4 -2 +3
4: -4 0 +3
5: -4 0 +8
6: -8 0 +1
7: -6 -2 +7
8: 0 0 0
9: -10 0 +8
10: -3 0 0


CAL-NIGHT

Cell Light: 13
Contrast: 95
Brightness: 47
Sharpness: 0
Color: 50
Tint: G50/R50

Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone: 0
Color Space: Auto
10p White Balance: Off
Gamma: -2

Color Tone: Warm 2
Digital Clean View: Off
MPEG Noise Filter: Off
Film Mode: Off
Motion Judder Canceler: Off
Black optimizer: Off

White Balance: 21, 25, 24, 23, 25, 26

I thought black optimizer should be on dark room
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I thought black optimizer should be on dark room

Perhaps. I seem to recall when he reviewed this that he said something about his numbers fluctuating so he left it off. Maybe I'm confusing it with another reviewer.

All I know is that on our current firmware, not only is it definitely no longer an issue, but Dark Room is probably preferred. I was only filling out what I thought he had for his numbers, but I could be wrong.

I'd suggest Dark Room to be on, regardless of what he review says. Again, I was only going by what I thought he said he had, not what I'd actually suggest.
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Guys, I am trying to figure out why Zoom 1 and Zoom 2 is inactive in Movie and Standard mode when I watch either Roku or Dune? I would like to Zoom on some of the IPTV screens but I cannot Zoom. PLease let me know. Search does not show.
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Guys, I am trying to figure out why Zoom 1 and Zoom 2 is inactive in Movie and Standard mode when I watch either Roku or Dune? I would like to Zoom on some of the IPTV screens but I cannot Zoom. PLease let me know. Search does not show.

I think only 480i and 480p content allows for those to be enabled, unfortunately.

I wish the same thing, so that every so often I can watch material and not have to have static images on my screen if I don't want them. Guess it just can't happen.
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Thanks, real shame as my Roku does not have zoom and without it is not possible to move 4:3 to fill the screen. Panasonic VT50 had excellent controllable zoom options. What was Samsung thinking??? Fine TV indeed but zoom is must have.

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I think only 480i and 480p content allows for those to be enabled, unfortunately.

I wish the same thing, so that every so often I can watch material and not have to have static images on my screen if I don't want them. Guess it just can't happen.
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I purchased the F8500 display a few weeks ago and agree that its a very nice plasma. I frequently see references on this thread to Cal Day and Cal Night settings. I'm guessing these are custom settings that can be set up to augment the factory modes (Dynamic, Standard, Relaxed and Movie). How do you save these Cal Day and Cal Night settings....I don't see any custom modes. Do you have to overwright two of the factory modes?
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You need to use a code and activate those settings in the service menu. I find them useful since it gives you two more spots to create custom settings.
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Ah, I found out how to unlock Cal Day and Cal Night from the service menu. Sweet.
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To any experts out there...

I had my Samsung plasma 8500 calibrated today by a certified ISF professional (he seems to have a very reputable background and was quite knowledgable and kind). However, my settings are a bit different from some of the things i'm seeing on here. Can someone tell me if these seem way off or if they seem appropriate? My cell light is much lower than most others i've seen posted, as is the contrast.

FYI: he did this by adjusting the movie mode (he did NOT use the system menu). He also used a special color meter on a tripod facing the TV.

See screen shots below of the settings:







thoughts?

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Did he ask you your opinion (or express his opinion) on Film Mode and Black Optimizer?

The rest looks about how an ISF calibrator would calibrate. Works the grayscale and all. The only thing I don't like is the Cell Light being so low. That's all dependent on how you like to watch your movies, even in pitch-black. I think you can handle it a little brighter, especially with Gamma at -2.

Does everything else look okay? Skin tones, whites, etc? I'm sure he did fine, but not touching the 10pt white balance and color space is excepted of an ISF calibrator.
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Did he ask you your opinion (or express his opinion) on Film Mode and Black Optimizer?

The rest looks about how an ISF calibrator would calibrate. Works the grayscale and all. The only thing I don't like is the Cell Light being so low. That's all dependent on how you like to watch your movies, even in pitch-black. I think you can handle it a little brighter, especially with Gamma at -2.

Does everything else look okay? Skin tones, whites, etc? I'm sure he did fine, but not touching the 10pt white balance and color space is excepted of an ISF calibrator.

I don't remember him talking about "film mode". Regarding "black optimizer", he said it was better to have it turned off, but after reading some things online about it actually helping black levels, i'm not so sure.

If I increase the cell light from his 8 to 16 or 20... will that affect all the other calibrations he's already done ? Will it mess up my black levels? How do you feel about the contrast at 88... most others i see in the mid 90s.

thanks for all feedback!
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For the record, I don't know how much I can trust my own THX-certified professional calibrator. He did a lot of the early stuff by eye (before white balance), and it was his first time ever working on an F8500. He thought it was interesting that even at Contrast of 99, I had zero white clipping. So he kept it there.

I won't know too much about what raising or lowering the Cell Light does for other things. If it's not too dark for you, don't worry about it. I was just saying I think your eyes can still tolerate a brighter peak white if need be.

I put Film Mode on Cinema Smooth for my Blu-rays to operate at 24 Hz. Black levels don't rise, no ABL kicking in, and it might just be my eyes, but at 60 Hz I notice an annoying flicker. 24 Hz runs just fine for me.

I haven't noticed a difference in any of the options for Black Optimizer, and I've AB'ed it to death. I put it on Dark Room anyway, for the hell of it.
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I don't remember him talking about "film mode". Regarding "black optimizer", he said it was better to have it turned off, but after reading some things online about it actually helping black levels, i'm not so sure.

If I increase the cell light from his 8 to 16 or 20... will that affect all the other calibrations he's already done ? Will it mess up my black levels? How do you feel about the contrast at 88... most others i see in the mid 90s.

thanks for all feedback!

The only thing he calibrated was your white balance and that won't be affected by cell light so you can turn that up if you want. Put it to where you do not get any eyestrain after a couple of hours of constant viewing. You can turn it up/down as your background warrants. Contrast at 88 is no problem but you should leave it there. Turn black optimizer to dark room when your room is dark smile.gif, otherwise you probably won't notice a difference.

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Whats the difference between Film auto1 and auto2
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Whats the difference between Film auto1 and auto2

I believe Auto 1 helps with 1080i content (don't know how exactly).

Auto 2 helps with scrolling text. You'll definitely see that Auto 1 sucks with scrolling text lol.
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Ah, I found out how to unlock Cal Day and Cal Night from the service menu. Sweet.

how did you do so? thanks in advance!!!

also, in regards to 3d settings, when or how can you adjust the picture settings for 3d? when i go to settings and go to 3d, i pick the option 2d-->3d, but i dont see any setting options, such as brightness, cell light. what am i doing wrong? thanks!!!!
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how did you do so? thanks in advance!!!

also, in regards to 3d settings, when or how can you adjust the picture settings for 3d? when i go to settings and go to 3d, i pick the option 2d-->3d, but i dont see any setting options, such as brightness, cell light. what am i doing wrong? thanks!!!!

It should be right back in the main picture menu. Like Game Mode, once you switch to 3D, you have a whole new bulk of settings that you can work with. Just back out, and go back to the picture portion of the TV's Menu.
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Hi there!
Finally came around to post the calibrated settings for my PN64F8500 from Value Electronics. Kevin Miller made the calibration. Still waiting for the report.

Movie/CAL Night/Cal Day/3D
Cell light 15/15/20/20
Contrast 95/95/95/95
Brightness 46/46/43/49
Sharpness 0/0/0/0
Color 50/50/50/50
Tint 50-50/50-50/50-50/50-50

Dynamic Contrast Off
Black tone Off
Flesh tone 0
RGB only Off
Color space auto/auto/auto/auto

2P White balance
R-O 29/30/25/23
G-O 25/25/25/25
B-O 25/24/25/22
R-G 30/30/28/24
G-G 25/25/25/25
B-G 24/24/24/14

10P (off for 3D)
1 0,0,0/0,0,0/0,0,0/
2 0,0,0/0,0,0/0,0,0/
3 -1,0,-1/-1,0,+5/-1,0,+5/
4 -1,-1,0/-1,-1,0/-1,-1,0/
5 -3/0,+1/-3/0,+1/-3/0,+1/
6 0,0,0/0,0,0/0,0,0/
7 -1,0,0/0,0,0/0,0,0/
8 0,0,0/0,0,0/0,0,0/
9 0,0,0/0,0,0/0,0,0/
10 0,0,0/0,0,0/0,0,0/

Gamma +1/0/+1/-3

Color tone Warm2/ Warm2/ Warm2/ Warm2
Digital clean Off/ Off/ Off/ Off
MPEG noise Off/ Off/ Off/ Off
Film Cinema smooth for all
Black optimizer Dark room/ Dark room/ Dark room/Off

Entered these settings on my 51" biggrin.gif . They look great. Does anyone know if its ok to use the settings of a 64" on a 51"? BTW did u get the report yet ola67 ?
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It should be right back in the main picture menu. Like Game Mode, once you switch to 3D, you have a whole new bulk of settings that you can work with. Just back out, and go back to the picture portion of the TV's Menu.

thanks muffin, will try when i get home
can you tell me how to unlock cal day and cal night? thanks
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thanks muffin, will try when i get home
can you tell me how to unlock cal day and cal night? thanks

That's in the service menu, and I don't dare go in there. I had my professional calibrator do it. Every time I go in there, my palms start sweating. One wrong button press and I can brick my television for good. There's not only no reset for mishaps in there, but it's also a warranty voider.

Somebody else might want to explain how to get into the service menu, and how to find those options. I don't want to be held liable for something you do wrong in there haha.

Also, keep in mind that entering the service menu resets all of your picture settings to factory values.
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That's in the service menu, and I don't dare go in there. I had my professional calibrator do it. Every time I go in there, my palms start sweating. One wrong button press and I can brick my television for good. There's not only no reset for mishaps in there, but it's also a warranty voider.

Somebody else might want to explain how to get into the service menu, and how to find those options. I don't want to be held liable for something you do wrong in there haha.

Also, keep in mind that entering the service menu resets all of your picture settings to factory values.


ohhhhh. i had no idea. hmmm, and there is no other way to make like a custom setting option outside of dynamic, movie, standard and relax? thanks again muffin
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ohhhhh. i had no idea. hmmm, and there is no other way to make like a custom setting option outside of dynamic, movie, standard and relax? thanks again muffin

No.

Keep in mind that the process itself is actually pretty quick and painless, but so many things can go wrong in there if you send an improper input command. For instance, many of us might be used to backing out of menus by pressing Left, where in the service menu, the way to back out of menus is pressing Return. If you press Left, you might be changing an option you wouldn't have wanted to. Or maybe you're using a Harmony/universal remote and some input commands are slightly delayed, so you skip right over something unintentionally an enter a wrong screen.

With guidance, care, and pressing each button exactly as you're supposed to, you should be fine. I just don't want to be the guy who tells you how to do it and have you screw something up accidentally. I don't want that guilt on my conscience that I could have explained things a little bit more detailed than I did should something like that happen. I'll leave it to somebody else.
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