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I've had my 64F8500 for almost a year now , and I'm very happy with the settings ,but one thing I keep going back and forth on is Cinemasmooth . I remember reading the cnet review stating it should be left off because of higher black levels . What is the general consensus for CinemaSmooth now ? Has anything changed with firmware ?
Yes, the increased black level issue when using CinemaSmooth was fixed with a firmware update.
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Been there, done that.

Bottom line is some content looks better with a 2.2 gamma and other looks best with BT1886. I was under the impression that BT1886 was the defacto gamma but I find more content looking correct with 2.2.

By the way, with BT1886, don't you find the whites sometimes just a bit too hot? That's to be expected with 2.4 at the top end but just checking to see if you have the same experience.
No, not on my LCD panels. But they all have stable gamma. Plasma gamma is anything but stable. The ABL ruins it. I found using small APL patterns to hit bt.1886 gave me the best all around gamma on my samsung plasmas. Non-APL 7-12% windows for my panasonic's depending on the model.

I think to really compare gammas you need a display which has a stable gamma. No plasma has this. Simply calibrating a 2.2 gamma with different window sizes will give different results on a plasma. There does seem to be sweet spots in pattern size which give better APL coverage though...
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Rec. 1886 is really only intended for displays in a controlled mastering environment. It stretches the tonal range (reduces gamma) near black to compensate for a display with elevated black levels in a dark room.

If you're using any room lighting, and the blacks on the TV actually look "black" though, then you shouldn't need much gamma compensation near black, and a "flat" gamma (in the ~2.4 range) should work reasonably well.

If you change the Gamma setting on the display btw, then you must recalibrate Brightness to keep reference black (Y'=16) at the display's MLL, to prevent shadow detail from being either clipped or elevated. The lower you set the Gamma control, the higher you'll need to set the Brightness control to keep shadow detail from being clipped.

Cell Light and Contrast also effect the Brightness setting. So set Brightness last after making changes to any of the other color controls on the TV.

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Has anyone that had a green tint in warm 2 had there TV professionally calibrated?

I've tried a lot of different settings and I'm currently using D-Nice's recommendations of just using warm 1 and -1 gamma. This gets rid of the green tint but looks a bit on the cool side in bright scenes.

How many of you have a green tint in movie mode with warm 2? From all the calibration settings I've seen It seems to only affect a few of us.

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Has anyone that had a green tint in warm 2 had there TV professionally calibrated?

I've tried a lot of different settings and I'm currently using D-Nice's recommendations of just using warm 1 and -1 gamma. This gets rid of the green tint but looks a bit on the cool side in bright scenes.

How many of you have a green tint in movie mode with warm 2? From all the calibration settings I've seen It seems to only affect a few of us.
Prior to calibration, Warm 2 was too green on my tv, and was using Warm1. We switched to Warm 2 prior to calibration. Picture now looks great using warm 2 after calibration.
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Prior to calibration, Warm 2 was too green on my tv, and was using Warm1. We switched to Warm 2 prior to calibration. Picture now looks great using warm 2 after calibration.
Care to share your settings?

I would be very interested in finding out how common it is and what actually causes it. I've actually just had my panel replaced as I had the flickering issue triggered by the black optimizer and the picture looks to be identical so unless by chance I got a panel that was almost identical it could only be the main board.

All of the settings posted on here look to be from tv's that are a lot closer to spec on warm 2 than mine.
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Has anyone that had a green tint in warm 2 had there TV professionally calibrated?

I've tried a lot of different settings and I'm currently using D-Nice's recommendations of just using warm 1 and -1 gamma. This gets rid of the green tint but looks a bit on the cool side in bright scenes.

How many of you have a green tint in movie mode with warm 2? From all the calibration settings I've seen It seems to only affect a few of us.
default warm2 setting on mine looked terrible. I would actually say it was yellow, not green, but it bothered even me(and I'm usually not sensitive to color issues)


but after trying to compare my f8500 and projector, I realized just how 'cool' the warm1 setting is.



so after that, I decided to plug in one of the calibration settings from the calibration thread, and it used warm2 with a 10pt calibration and it's MUCH better. I had to do a few 'tweaks' afterward, as I had some definite green/red pushes along the greyscale. now I want to get my own meter to get it just right though.

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So has anyone settled on game mode over pc mode?

Is there a difference in terms of picture quality
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Care to share your settings?

I would be very interested in finding out how common it is and what actually causes it. I've actually just had my panel replaced as I had the flickering issue triggered by the black optimizer and the picture looks to be identical so unless by chance I got a panel that was almost identical it could only be the main board.

All of the settings posted on here look to be from tv's that are a lot closer to spec on warm 2 than mine.
Here are my calibrated settings for Warm2, movie mode.

CELL LIGHT 16
Contrast +95
Brightness +45
Sharpness + 6
Color 53
Tint R52


CMS

R 44 2 2
G 36 55 0
B 0 1 56
Y 51 52 1
C 35 53 57
M 45 3 51



10 POINT

R G B

1 0 0 +2
2 -3 -3 -4
3 -4 -4 -5
4 -3 -2 -2
5 -4 -3 -4
6 -5 -1 -7
7 -1 0 -2
8 -2 -1 -7
9 +3 +3 +2
10 -7 0 -5


WHITE BALANCE
OFFSET 29,25,24
GAIN 33,25,28

GAMMA +1
BO ON
COLOR TONE WARM2
FILM MODE CINEMA SMOOTH/AUTO2
MJC OFF
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Thanks a lot I'll give them a go and see what I get.

Do you know what your target gamma was?
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Thanks a lot I'll give them a go and see what I get.

Do you know what your target gamma was?
I do not remember, but gamma +1 was used because it was just about dead on OOTB.
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Could anyone please direct me to the best calibration settings for dark room viewing on 64F8500 ?

I've tried 2 so far but they seem more geared toward lighter situations. The display is located in master bedroom and with window treatments so there is very little light even during the day, mostly viewed at night anyway in the dark.

Thanks in advance.
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So has anyone settled on game mode over pc mode?

Is there a difference in terms of picture quality
yes, game mode allows FAR more calibration settings, and should result in a more accurate picture.


that being said, I use PC mode, and don't plan on going back. I find it the better overall experience for gaming, for me.

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Has anyone else that had a green tint in warm 2 want to post there calibration settings?
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Has anyone else that had a green tint in warm 2 want to post there calibration settings?
As you are probably aware, using other user's settings doesn't work that often but what do you have to lose?

Using Warm 2

Under white balance
Red offset 28
Green offset 25
Blue offset 25
Red gain 33
Green gain 25
Blue gain 27

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Best display i have owned. Annoying but not significant is that my 10 point calibration did not carry over to the different sources and the audible feedback on the volume adjust. If anyone knows how to turn off the volume tick when adjusting please let me know.
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Never mind i found it.... I am blaming this lack of reading the menu options on being distracted by the amazing picture...
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Could anyone please direct me to the best calibration settings for dark room viewing on 64F8500 ?

I've tried 2 so far but they seem more geared toward lighter situations. The display is located in master bedroom and with window treatments so there is very little light even during the day, mostly viewed at night anyway in the dark.

Thanks in advance.
I suggest keeping at least a couple lamps on. The blacks on these TVs are pretty good, but they can still benefit from a little room lighting to look even deeper. They don't have to be bright lights btw. 100-200 lumen bulbs (~15-25 watts incandescent or equivalent) should be sufficient.

If the TV is still too bright for night time viewing with a couple lights on, then lower the Cell Light setting until it's more comfortable for your eyes. Lowering Gamma is also an option. That will increase the contrast in the image by darkening the midtones. You should leave the Contrast control set fairly high though, in the 95 range, because lowering Contrast will increase the dithering in the image.

On the 43F4500, I would actually start with Cell Light at 0, and then gradually raise it until the picture was comfortable for viewing. You could also try using different Eco Solution/Energy Saving settings to reduce the display's light output in addition to or instead of Cell Light, but that's not something I experimented with, and Cell Light will probably give better control. Leave the Eco Sensor off though.

I also recommend setting the Black Optimizer to Dark Room. That may add some slight fluctuations to the picture, but it should lower the MLL on darker scenes... if it's working correctly.

Last but not least, adjust the Brightness so there is no dithering visible on a reference black screen. The easiest way to do that is to display a Y'=16 black pattern on the screen, and then raise Brightness until you begin to some dithering (dancing multi-colored pixels). Then gradually reduce the Brightness control until you get to the highest setting that has no dithering/dancing pixels visible.

If you don't have a calibration disc with a Y'=16 reference black handy for this, you can use the black bars on a widescreen film like Star Wars ANH instead, preferably in one of the darker space scenes. Some dithering within the image is ok, but there should be no dithering visible in the black bars on a film like that.

Most of the other settings above will effect the adjustment of the Brightness control. So set the Brightness last after making any other picture adjustments.

To reduce the chances of burn-in, try to keep your viewing of letterboxed and pillarboxed content to a minimum, and don't linger too long in the TV's menus while the TV is breaking in, esp. at high Cell Light settings.

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So has anyone settled on game mode over pc mode?

Is there a difference in terms of picture quality
FWIW, I have been using the Standard mode (modified to "match" Movie mode settings) for everything. I haven't experienced any lags or split screens on single-player games like the Uncharted or Batman trilogies.
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