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I would like to hear about the similarities/issues between the VT30 and this generation in a calibration sense.

If wether it affects all displays or just some
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Has anyone used CalMAN to measure the gamut and see how the color saturations, lumanance and sweeps measure? I would love to see the output from that. Not just where the primaries lay on the gamut but how well it tracks across all saturation levels. At a minimum I would like to confirm that the primaries at their widest setting are greater than the Rec709 targets and that there is sufficient brightness in each of the primaries at these targets to provide the headroom for a fully accurate color calibration. Thanks.
See my second to last post above. What you're looking for is in the calibration reports.
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The PWM noise did seem to be more distracting on some Kuros than others. I did keep power save off unless the customer wanted it on for some reason.

Did you see this on any of the KRP monitors, Pioneer did say that the monitors were the cleanest image displays they had produced even though they were internally similar to the other G9's, they couldn't explain why the monitors were cleaner.

I have a 600M and don't have any PWM noise, just a clean image.
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NO PWM noise aka dithering? I'd like to see this on a plasma.
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See my second to last post above. What you're looking for is in the calibration reports.

Thank you Chad. I wasn't sure however what post you were referring to? I did not see a Calibration Reports section, tho it is probably right under my nose? Can you please provide a link?

I did find some extremely useful information from your review of the 8500, linked to in your review. I commend you for the outstanding attention to detail with regards to calibration and technical information in your review! Truly outstanding. There are very few people out there I would ever let touch my displays or projector, but I can tell from your write-ups that you are certainly one of those I would be very comfortable with! smile.gif

Yes with the software tools available these days I like to make sure that a display has excellent color accuracy and tracking across all saturation levels and not just fixed at an end point. To do this as you know the native gamut must plot wider than its Rec709 points AND have enough lumanance in each of R,G,B so it can be adjusted properly. Do you know if the 8500 meets that criteria? If so I can use a Radiance with Auto-cal and 5x5x5 3D LUT to dial it in with extreme accuracy. Yet to do this it has to meet the above mentioned criteria.

Thank you!
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Chad B. or D-Nice (or any calibrator),

Do you know if there is a way in the service menu to defeat the slight amount of artificial edge enhancement that exists in the 'Mid' and 'High' modes for the 2013 Panasonics? I notice running it in 'Low' Panel Brightness mode, any trace of edge enhancement is gone, but I miss the increased brightness running it in 'Mid'. For the record, I have my Sharpness set at 0 and all other artificial enhancements turned off. I'm sending primarily 1080p/24fps from my Blu-ray player directly, i.e. with no enhancements. I have the TV set -- with the latest firmware -- to 1080p direct mode, though I notice the same amount of artificial EE with 1080p direct turned off. Mind you, it's only a slight amount of EE, but it's none the less there and none the less irks me. I strongly desire to defeat it if possible, and I would think others would as well.
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^^^^^ Not only are you losing light output you are compromising black level. Degraded contrast ratio for sure .

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^^^^^ Not only are you losing light output you are compromising black level. Degraded contrast ratio for sure .

I did not find that to be the case. In fact, the blacks after slight re-adjustment/re-calibration, seemed to go a little deeper. Overall, 'Low' seems to be the most accurate mode, though a little too dim, unfortunately.
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It has been documented with a meter on the zt ,vt and st

It also does not calibrate well

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It has been documented with a meter on the zt ,vt and st

It also does not calibrate well

I have the S60, so maybe it's different, though I wouldn't think it would be for this.

Edit: I realize I initially posted this in the wrong thread. It belongs in the 2013 setting/issues thread.
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And David Katzmaier, also a certified calibrator who heads up the CNET team, prefers the ZT. This is a very subjective topic and we can debate this subject all day long and we will continue to get different opinions from different experts. Maybe it's time to just call it a draw and move on guys. wink.gif


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It has been documented with a meter on the zt ,vt and st

It also does not calibrate well

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I have the S60, so maybe it's different, though I wouldn't think it would be for this.


My S60 seems to perform better with the mid setting. I haven't noticed any additional noise or ringing and there is less posterization when watching overly compressed content on DTV.


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I haven't noticed any edge enhancement or ringing with sharpness settings of 0-16 in full screen mode and overscan off.
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Thank you Chad. I wasn't sure however what post you were referring to? I did not see a Calibration Reports section, tho it is probably right under my nose? Can you please provide a link?

I did find some extremely useful information from your review of the 8500, linked to in your review. I commend you for the outstanding attention to detail with regards to calibration and technical information in your review! Truly outstanding. There are very few people out there I would ever let touch my displays or projector, but I can tell from your write-ups that you are certainly one of those I would be very comfortable with! smile.gif

Yes with the software tools available these days I like to make sure that a display has excellent color accuracy and tracking across all saturation levels and not just fixed at an end point. To do this as you know the native gamut must plot wider than its Rec709 points AND have enough lumanance in each of R,G,B so it can be adjusted properly. Do you know if the 8500 meets that criteria? If so I can use a Radiance with Auto-cal and 5x5x5 3D LUT to dial it in with extreme accuracy. Yet to do this it has to meet the above mentioned criteria.

Thank you!
Thanks for the kind words! Here is the post:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1469541/f8500-or-zt60/3030#post_24574589
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Thank you Chad. I wasn't sure however what post you were referring to? I did not see a Calibration Reports section, tho it is probably right under my nose? Can you please provide a link?

I did find some extremely useful information from your review of the 8500, linked to in your review. I commend you for the outstanding attention to detail with regards to calibration and technical information in your review! Truly outstanding. There are very few people out there I would ever let touch my displays or projector, but I can tell from your write-ups that you are certainly one of those I would be very comfortable with! smile.gif

Yes with the software tools available these days I like to make sure that a display has excellent color accuracy and tracking across all saturation levels and not just fixed at an end point. To do this as you know the native gamut must plot wider than its Rec709 points AND have enough lumanance in each of R,G,B so it can be adjusted properly. Do you know if the 8500 meets that criteria? If so I can use a Radiance with Auto-cal and 5x5x5 3D LUT to dial it in with extreme accuracy. Yet to do this it has to meet the above mentioned criteria.

Thank you!

Here's a recent calibration report on an F8500. It does fulfill your criteria. The 100% saturation points can be oversaturated a bit if desired, but the lower saturation levels tend to be undersaturated. Gamut luminance is not an issue. I would think a LUT cal would do very well on it.
Samsung_F8500_Movie-bright_-_Copy.pdf 1531k .pdf file

EDIT: Looking at some of my other F8500 cal reports, it appears blue is not always able to reach the rec 709 target, but it's not very serious. Here is an example, and it's my older style report.
Samsung_F8500_moviecopy.pdf 1040k .pdf file

Keep in mind all these reports use the Custom color space... Using Native or auto might give you more saturated primaries at the expense of some luminance irregularities.
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Once you get below about 0.001 fL. with blacks, which the ZT/VT60 does, the deeper blacks provided by the KURO aren't overtly noticeable except in a dark viewing environment.

In case you missed my post about the blacks, here is a link to that post showing the repeatable black level of .0009 on my VT60. However those test's where done using a 9300 color point patch set. Also keep in mind the only adjustments I did on in my VT60 for this LUT was using Red and Blue mainly for 30% and 100%, never Green or detail Gamma adjustments.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1467563/official-panasonic-vt60-vt65-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/13830#post_24563192

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Has anyone used CalMAN to measure the gamut and see how the color saturations, lumanance and sweeps measure? I would love to see the output from that. Not just where the primaries lay on the gamut but how well it tracks across all saturation levels. At a minimum I would like to confirm that the primaries at their widest setting are greater than the Rec709 targets and that there is sufficient brightness in each of the primaries at these targets to provide the headroom for a fully accurate color calibration. Thanks.

Here is a link to a LUT I did on a VT60, this shows what you are looking for.
The two ClolorChecker chats, the top one is for flesh tones and the lower CC is just a normal CC chart.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1517849/a-comparison-of-3dlut-solutions-for-the-eecolor-box/30#post_24367983

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UPDATE: I couldn't wrap my head around getting the F8500 with the hideous bezel, so I kept my 65" ZT60, bought a Darbee Darblet DVP 5000, sold my 60" 6020, and bought a KRP-500M calibrated by D-Nice for my bedroom. The 500M is VERY nice, but still not as clear as the ZT. Shadow detail is better on the ZT as well. Splitting hairs, but they are both amazing sets.

Here's a couple pics from both sets: (ZT is on the top / mounted to the wall in back of the 500M)







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^Fantastic collection. Yea, that's another common contention I've seen concerning shadow detail, though someone (not me) will probably say your 500M needs a D-Nice tuneup (or that your ZT60 is using edge enhancement or the Darby is connected to the ZT60 giving it an unfair advantage). tongue.gif

Meh, all that hair-splitting aside, a 500M plus a ZT60 is the best way to ride out the apocalypse (with an LG OLED on the side).
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^Fantastic collection. Yea, that's another common contention I've seen concerning shadow detail, though someone (not me) will probably say your 500M needs a D-Nice tuneup (or that your ZT60 is using edge enhancement or the Darby is connected to the ZT60 giving it an unfair advantage). tongue.gif

Meh, all that hair-splitting aside, a 500M plus a ZT60 is the best way to ride out the apocalypse (with an LG OLED on the side).

For the record, the Darbee hasn't arrived yet, and the 500M IS calibrated by D-Nice already. S0 HAAA!

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Yea, I saw, but the next question to discredit your honest opinion will be how many hours ago was it last calibrated. I'm just heading off the inevitable barrage of questions that are sure to come since you dared to paint the ZT60 in a favorable light.
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UPDATE: I couldn't wrap my head around getting the F8500 with the hideous bezel, so I kept my 65" ZT60, bought a Darbee Darblet DVP 5000, sold my 60" 6020, and bought a KRP-500M calibrated by D-Nice for my bedroom. The 500M is VERY nice, but still not as clear as the ZT. Shadow detail is better on the ZT as well. Splitting hairs, but they are both amazing sets.

Here's a couple pics from both sets: (ZT is on the top / mounted to the wall in back of the 500M)
Low end detail will appear to be more on the ZT due to a built in curve in its software (not to mention its edge dither drive scheme).. It is dynamic and adjusts on the fly. Attempting to do a BT.1886 gamma on these displays only exaggerates what the display's software is already doing. A properly setup ZT will show exactly the same shadow detail as any other display that does not have this type of dynamic software.... Including the 500M.
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In case there was any doubt (to others), I thumbed you up. That's the type of no-nonsense post that cuts through the noise and explains the above-reported phenomenon I've seen reported on multiple occasions.
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Low end detail will appear to be more on the ZT due to a built in curve in its software (not to mention its edge dither drive scheme).. It is dynamic and adjusts on the fly. Attempting to do a BT.1886 gamma on these displays only exaggerates what the display's software is already doing. A properly setup ZT will show exactly the same shadow detail as any other display that does not have this type of dynamic software.... Including the 500M.

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Well, I have not found that to be the case in my personal viewing experiences. Anything significantly above about 0.001 fL. leaves something fairly overtly noticeable to be desired except in a relatively bright viewing environment. Below about 0.001 fL, the 'returns' provided by deeper blacks start to diminish substantially. I would think below about 0.0001 fL., there would no longer be any perceivable advantage even in a pitch black viewing environment.

I've had displays that measured .001, .0005 and .0001, and not only were there very noticeable differences in black levels between them, even at .0001 the blacks are still a ways off from truly black. In a dark environment, with low APL content this is very clearly discernible. I also have a display that according to reports should measure around .0017 -.002, and the .0001 display absolutely trounces it in a dark room. I actually think once you get down that low, small differences in MLL can make quite a large difference.
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I've had displays that measured .001, .0005 and .0001, and not only were there very noticeable differences in black levels between them, even at .0001 the blacks are still a ways off from truly black. In a dark environment, with low APL content this is very clearly discernible. I also have a display that according to reports should measure around .0017 -.002, and the .0001 display absolutely trounces it in a dark room. I actually think once you get down that low, small differences in MLL can make quite a large difference.

Totally agree with this. Hard to convince people until they see it in person, however.
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I've had displays that measured .001, .0005 and .0001, and not only were there very noticeable differences in black levels between them, even at .0001 the blacks are still a ways off from truly black. In a dark environment, with low APL content this is very clearly discernible. I also have a display that according to reports should measure around .0017 -.002, and the .0001 display absolutely trounces it in a dark room. I actually think once you get down that low, small differences in MLL can make quite a large difference.

Agreed because the percentage difference between those numbers is large. Most people don't seem to look at that way.

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Yea, I saw, but the next question to discredit your honest opinion will be how many hours ago was it last librated. I'm just heading off the inevitable barrage of questions that are sure to come since you dared to paint the ZT60 in a favorable light.

I don't see what the big deal is tbh.

Wouldn't a 141 or 600M have been more apt if going in a size for same size situation.

But for what it's worth - the saturation on the 500M looks to be better - on the weird purple pattern stuff if i was being picky and more detailed/sharper.

It's a 50" and a 60".

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The only closer in size (side by side) comparison was the one image posted in direct daylighting of a 151 (60") Elite and a 65" ZT in recent times by a new ZT owner last year.

It's still bigger by five the zt, including the stand is a bit taller- but nevertheless it's closer in size regardless
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Thanks for the kind words! Here is the post:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1469541/f8500-or-zt60/3030#post_24574589

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What useful calibration adjustments are in the service menu?

I have a Samsung PN63C8000 and have calibrated decent results without going into the service menu - mainly because I didn't think to look in there for anything useful. Curious what may be of use in there and/or in the F8500 service menus. Thanks!
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I have not found anything useful except engaging the Cal day and Cal night modes.
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Agreed because the percentage difference between those numbers is large. Most people don't seem to look at that way.

Not taking any sides in the arguement but the because in your agreement is not sound. The percentage difference between .00001 and .0001 is huge but I would think the difference between these measurements would be difficult to discern.

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