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I heard if you watch a Kuro in a closet painted black, the black levels appear to be. 000000001 deeper. tongue.gif
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I heard that astrophysicists have extrapolated that if you were inside a black hole at the very center of it--that if you had a Kuro there that everything besides the Kuro would be a lighter shade of black.

I believe that AVS many centuries from now will fund an expedition to see if this is really true.
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I heard if an LCD passes through a black hole humans could see it from earth
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I heard that astrophysicists have extrapolated that if you were inside a black hole at the very center of it--that if you had a Kuro there that everything besides the Kuro would be a lighter shade of black.

I believe that AVS many centuries from now will fund an expedition to see if this is really true.

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Not taking any sides in the arguement but the because in your agreement is not sound. The percentage difference between .00001 and .0001 is huge but I would think the difference between these measurements would be difficult to discern.

Your argument is not sound because no one is talking about a .00001 measured display.

D-Nice just posted his Kuros which measure below 0.0003fL are notably darker than any Panasonics which measure at .0011 in a dark room. Others have noted the same.

These are notable differences because they are in fact larger percentage differences than some realize.

If they were very tiny differences, they would not be discernible.

Why doesn't that sound logical to you?

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When you put it that way it does sound logical.

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what real black level f8500 with the latest firmware? and perhaps in the last firmware is not corrected stability in black?

0.0017 level is made ​​with calibration?
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what real black level f8500 with the latest firmware? and perhaps in the last firmware is not corrected stability in black?

0.0017 level is made ​​with calibration?

Varied reports on the current black level but yes that is t the correct figure, the contrast ratios in the chart above are on/off contrast ratios not very meanigful and the VT/ZT can go much brighter than shown in the chart on the High Panel brightness setting. A calbration will certainly improve shadow detail but black level itself is set with a pluge pattern.

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Panasonic VT60:
Motion resolution (max) 1200 Good
Motion resolution (dejudder off) 1200 Good

Samsung F8500:
Motion resolution (max) 700 Average
Motion resolution (dejudder off) 700 Average

here the error is not present?
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Sorry what error are you referring to ?

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Your argument is not sound because no one is talking about a .00001 measured display.

D-Nice just posted his Kuros which measure below 0.0003fL are notably darker than any Panasonics which measure at .0011 in a dark room. Others have noted the same.

These are notable differences because they are in fact larger percentage differences than some realize.

If they were very tiny differences, they would not be discernible.

Why doesn't that sound logical to you?

I can indeed confirm that the black level difference is hugely noticeable. Back in April D-Nice performed the black level adjustment on my non elite 5020FD and now it has deeper blacks than any untweaked KRP/101FD at .0004 FtL. Formerly it has been .0012 (a little high for a 9g Kuro but functionally the same as most, or the better half even, of VT/ZT60s) so it's technically a 3x decrease (or improvement).

Now does it look 3 times blacker to my untrained eyes? Maybe not, diminishing returns is a real thing. However, I'd never want to go back because the impact of low APL scenes is just so much greater on my 'new' Kuro than my old one, or any other tv I've seen in person for that matter.
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Sorry what error are you referring to ?

resolution dynamics almost 2 times less, I understood correctly?
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Yes if those figures are accurate, but that difference wouldn't be apparent except on a test pattern.
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Yes if those figures are accurate, but that difference wouldn't be apparent except on a test pattern.
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Thank you.

No problem, the F8500 is really the only top performer left in the plasma arena.

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