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oddmania's Avatar oddmania 04:18 AM 05-01-2013
This's a bit of topic,but what is the ZT5?

http://panasonic.jp/viera/products/zt5/index.html

-Hitman-'s Avatar -Hitman- 05:06 AM 05-01-2013
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This's a bit of topic,but what is the ZT5?

http://panasonic.jp/viera/products/zt5/index.html

Japanese version of the VT50

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1412922/panasonic-viera-zt5
agkss's Avatar agkss 09:15 AM 05-01-2013
HDTV Test Review:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/samsung-ps64f8500-201305012945.htm
Highly Recommended...that's great.
Glashub's Avatar Glashub 09:53 AM 05-01-2013
Looks like Ken Ross has been vindicated at least in part by the EU model.
agkss's Avatar agkss 10:00 AM 05-01-2013
I hope they release a "Global" Fix for Brightness pops (Not only NA) and a fix for last years models too...that's why this tv doesn't get a reference status.

A more in depth review from HDTV Test...my personal choice of all websites smile.gif
dad0118's Avatar dad0118 10:10 AM 05-01-2013
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Looks like Ken Ross has been vindicated at least in part by the EU model.

I don't think anyone was disagreeing with the F8500 is most likely a great TV; just that most would prefer the VT/ZT sets if based on PQ alone (excluding those who need the max amount of brightness without going LCD). However, as is mentioned in the review, the price differences between the sets might make a difference to those looking for the best Value (but then the ST60 would come into play).
fierce_gt's Avatar fierce_gt 10:12 AM 05-01-2013
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Thanks for sharing your experience.
Nice point about the bezel. Good that they did that trick.

How did the design grew on you? started to like it? The LED F8000 design is breathtaking.

I wonder if Samsung has used the F8500 design for the LED version in Europe why they don't use the F8000 design for the Plasma? Sure the TV has to be thicker but the floating effect is totally worth it.

i've never been one to buy a tv based on anything other than it's picture, but i remember going in to my shopping thinking something along the lines of 'just go with panasonic no matter how pretty and thin the samsungs are, the panasonics have better blacks and a better picture'. then i start looking and panasonics got this pretty sweet looking fancy stand, and at least they tried to be flashy with the little silver trim. then i see samsung's actually made a good performing tv, so i check it out expecting the overly stylish designs they are known for and then bam. haha, totally caught me off guard and i didn't like it at all.

i still wouldn't call it pretty, but unique can be it's own appeal sometimes too. my biggest complaint/concern right now is that the 64" stand will be wider than my tv stand. that probably won't look the greatest hanging over the edge.
DavidHir's Avatar DavidHir 10:31 AM 05-01-2013
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??? They are an authorized Panasonic dealer, so I am not sure what you mean by this....

Are they an authorized Samsung dealer too?
Ph8te's Avatar Ph8te 10:52 AM 05-01-2013
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Are they authorized an Samsung dealer too?

As far as I know yes.....They are not listed on Samsung's site (always been this way), Chris would be able to verify though....
agkss's Avatar agkss 11:53 AM 05-01-2013
dad0118's Avatar dad0118 12:15 PM 05-01-2013
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CNET Review: http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn60f8500/4505-6482_7-35566923.html
4 Stars and a 9.0 in performance

About what I figured. Similar performance to the ST60 in normal viewing conditions, but worse than VT and likely ZT Pannys. Better performance than all others in extremely bright rooms. In my viewing enviornment though, this definately takes the F8500 out of the running.
chunon's Avatar chunon 12:16 PM 05-01-2013
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About what I figured. Similar performance to the ST60 in normal viewing conditions, but worse than VT and likely ZT Pannys. Better performance than all others in extremely bright rooms. In my viewing enviornment though, this definately takes the F8500 out of the running.

Good year for Plasma's across the board it appears smile.gif
dad0118's Avatar dad0118 12:18 PM 05-01-2013
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Good year for Plasma's across the board it appears smile.gif

Very True.
chunon's Avatar chunon 12:20 PM 05-01-2013
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Very True.

Good choices I just don't get the hostility on both sides truly, I'd say the only question remaining on the 8500 is the build quality we won't know about that until folks start getting some hours on these.
dad0118's Avatar dad0118 12:23 PM 05-01-2013
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Good choices I just don't get the hostility on both sides truly, I'd say the only question remaining on the 8500 is the build quality we won't know about that until folks start getting some hours on these.

People will always want to hear that the set they purchased is the "Best", but this year it looks like it depends on your viewing enviornment.
DavidHir's Avatar DavidHir 12:26 PM 05-01-2013
I'm leaning on the VT60 myself as I am feeling more confident it will have the edge over the F8500 in a dark room which is my typical viewing situation...although even during the daytime I will be fine as my ST30 still puts out enough lit for me at those times. I'm not ruling out the ZT but it will have to be a notable improvement over the VT for me to spend an extra 1k.
chunon's Avatar chunon 12:30 PM 05-01-2013
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I'm leaning on the VT60 myself as I am feeling more confident it will have the edge over the F8500 in a dark room which is my typical viewing situation...although even during the daytime I will be fine as my ST30 still puts out enough lit for me at those times. I'm not ruling out the ZT but it will have to be a notable improvement over the VT for me to spend an extra 1k.

Based on my experience going to the Vt50 from the ST30 I think the VT60 will be more than bright enough for you, I get around 51ftl in ISF Day which is plenty bright enough even with my shades open, the VT60 should be even brighter.
Ph8te's Avatar Ph8te 12:40 PM 05-01-2013
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I'm leaning on the VT60 myself as I am feeling more confident it will have the edge over the F8500 in a dark room which is my typical viewing situation...although even during the daytime I will be fine as my ST30 still puts out enough lit for me at those times. I'm not ruling out the ZT but it will have to be a notable improvement over the VT for me to spend an extra 1k.


I would agree with you on this. For Dark Room viewing the VT60 would probably be best for you. The only ZT reviewed so far got very very good remarks, but I am holding off questions I ahve on it until we can get an NA review out. Eiher way well know more next week after the shootout wink.gif The worth I think will come down to a personal decision...
Ph8te's Avatar Ph8te 12:43 PM 05-01-2013
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Good choices I just don't get the hostility on both sides truly, I'd say the only question remaining on the 8500 is the build quality we won't know about that until folks start getting some hours on these.

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People will always want to hear that the set they purchased is the "Best", but this year it looks like it depends on your viewing enviornment.

agreed on all accounts, of course I would say the same thing about teh 2013 Panasonics and build quality as well wink.gif to early to tell about any BQ on these sets. With the new process that Panasonic is using for the ZT especially......

Hopefully we can get past his "my set is better than your set" blah blah blah and jsut enjoy that we have choices it seems for everyone to be happy.....
chunon's Avatar chunon 12:45 PM 05-01-2013
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agreed on all accounts, of course I would say the same thing about teh 2013 Panasonics and build quality as well wink.gif to early to tell about any BQ on these sets. With the new process that Panasonic is using for the ZT especially......

Hopefully we can get past his "my set is better than your set" blah blah blah and jsut enjoy that we have choices it seems for everyone to be happy.....

Except that Panasonic has a proven build quality track record imo but yeah I agree it is petty and ridiculous really
DavidHir's Avatar DavidHir 01:02 PM 05-01-2013
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Based on my experience going to the Vt50 from the ST30 I think the VT60 will be more than bright enough for you, I get around 51ftl in ISF Day which is plenty bright enough even with my shades open, the VT60 should be even brighter.

Yep, my thoughts too. How much of an improvement was going from the ST30 to VT50 for you? The ST30 was a good set for the money in 2011, but to many of its flaws stand out to me today (fair blacks, inaccurate color, mediocre gamma especially at low IRE, etc).
DavidHir's Avatar DavidHir 01:02 PM 05-01-2013
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Based on my experience going to the Vt50 from the ST30 I think the VT60 will be more than bright enough for you, I get around 51ftl in ISF Day which is plenty bright enough even with my shades open, the VT60 should be even brighter.

Yep, my thoughts too. How much of an improvement was going from the ST30 to VT50 for you? The ST30 was a good set for the money in 2011, but too many of its flaws stand out to me today (fair blacks, not the greatest color despite low delta error, mediocre gamma especially at low IRE...too high spike at higher IRE etc).
chunon's Avatar chunon 01:06 PM 05-01-2013
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Yep, my thoughts too. How much of an improvement was going from the ST30 to VT50 for you? The ST30 was a good set for the money in 2011, but too many of its flaws stand out to me today (fair blacks, not the greatest color despite low delta error, mediocre gamma especially at low IRE, etc).

Improvement in blacks, biggest thing I notice is the contrast ratio improvement much more pop. Also color is better and the picture is much more consistent from source to source. I really enjoy the extra brightness and the AR filter is way better on the VT50, what Chad can do with a set like the Vt50 or VT60 is truly amazing. Don't know if you saw my cal on the VT50 owners thread but virtually perfect in every aspect smile.gif
DavidHir's Avatar DavidHir 01:14 PM 05-01-2013
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I would agree with you on this. For Dark Room viewing the VT60 would probably be best for you. The only ZT reviewed so far got very very good remarks, but I am holding off questions I ahve on it until we can get an NA review out. Eiher way well know more next week after the shootout wink.gif The worth I think will come down to a personal decision...

My final decision will come right after the Shootout although I might wait just a little as I am targeting 3k shipped price on what I buy... That could change if the ZT spanks the VT but not expecting it. Very slight edge with blacks in dark scenes is my prediction.
DavidHir's Avatar DavidHir 01:18 PM 05-01-2013
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Improvement in blacks, biggest thing I notice is the contrast ratio improvement much more pop. Also color is better and the picture is much more consistent from source to source. I really enjoy the extra brightness and the AR filter is way better on the VT50, what Chad can do with a set like the Vt50 or VT60 is truly amazing. Don't know if you saw my cal on the VT50 owners thread but virtually perfect in every aspect smile.gif

Nice. smile.gif Chad has been my guy for the last eight years and three displays...going to probably have him calibrate my audio this time around too.
jh901's Avatar jh901 01:20 PM 05-01-2013
If the Samsung F8500 proves to be on the same level all-around (or better- brightness...) as the ST60, then that's a big win for them. The decision between the VT60 or ZT60 and the F8500 is easy for anyone not viewing blu-ray in near broad daylight. The ST60 is looking like the clear bargain of the year.
chunon's Avatar chunon 01:22 PM 05-01-2013
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If the Samsung F8500 proves to be on the same level all-around (or better- brightness...) as the ST60, then that's a big win for them. The decision between the VT60 or ZT60 and the F8500 is easy for anyone not viewing blu-ray in near broad daylight. The ST60 is looking like the clear bargain of the year.

I assume you mean a win for Panasonic ?
endlessender's Avatar endlessender 01:29 PM 05-01-2013
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About what I figured. Similar performance to the ST60 in normal viewing conditions, but worse than VT and likely ZT Pannys. Better performance than all others in extremely bright rooms. In my viewing enviornment though, this definately takes the F8500 out of the running.

Unless you factor in 3D ("normal" for some) where the CNET review states:

"3D: The F8500 is probably the best 3D performer of any plasma TV I've tested. Its image quality in the default settings for Cinema mode was better than what I saw on the VT60, mainly due to superior light output and better shadow detail. The latter difference can be equalized in calibration, perhaps (we don't calibrate for 3D), but the former is a distinct advantage."

Wonder how the ZT will do...?
endlessender's Avatar endlessender 01:30 PM 05-01-2013
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If the Samsung F8500 proves to be on the same level all-around (or better- brightness...) as the ST60, then that's a big win for them. The decision between the VT60 or ZT60 and the F8500 is easy for anyone not viewing blu-ray in near broad daylight. The ST60 is looking like the clear bargain of the year.

...or for anyone watching 3D.
chunon's Avatar chunon 01:32 PM 05-01-2013
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Unless you factor in 3D ("normal" for some) where the CNET review states:

"3D: The F8500 is probably the best 3D performer of any plasma TV I've tested. Its image quality in the default settings for Cinema mode was better than what I saw on the VT60, mainly due to superior light output and better shadow detail. The latter difference can be equalized in calibration, perhaps (we don't calibrate for 3D), but the former is a distinct advantage."

Wonder how the ZT will do...?

Depends on how important 3d is to you, for me it is less than 5% of my viewing so a non factor, the initial reports on the VT 3d are positive I would expect the ZT to follow, bottom line "flagship" compared to mid level Panny
Tags: Samsung Pn51f8500 51 Inch 3d Smart Plasma Hdtv , Panasonic Viera Tc P65vt50 65 Inch Plasma Tv , Panasonic Viera Tc P60zt60 60 Inch Plasma Tv
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