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TWD's Avatar TWD
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The European VT and ZT calibrates perfectly. The NA Pannys have a software issue and Panasonic should fix it. Remember last year the luminance controls didn't work on the VTs and they fixed it. Let hope they do the same here.
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I never noticed a diff had about 1300 hours maybe I didn't hit the magic point don't know

You can deal with that or the Samsung issues pick your poison I guess
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The vt50 wasn't calibrator friendly either until after a firmware update. Now it's called a calibrators dream. The f8500 will be better too after a couple of more fw updates I hear - don't know if that's kool aid considering fw updates have fixed big issues in the past.

One thing is for sure. Don't buy it at fw version one and go pay a calibrator. All those fw updates are bound to cause recalibration on either display if history repeats itself.
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PanaSUCKit has had no corn, wheat, or SOY in their products since 2006. Can't say the same about samDUNG.

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PanaSUCKit has had no corn, wheat, or SOY in their products since 2006. Can't say the same about samDUNG.

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On the other hand, you can probably see lots of corn in Samdung's products. Probably some artificial food coloring here and there as well tongue.gif If I had any corn in MY Samdung product, you bet your arse it's going back !
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Cnet and their ridiculous playing with words. Just reading the Cons of VT60 shows what a joke they are.

"worse bright-room picture than that of the Samsung F8500"
As if the F8500 had a bad performance in a bright room to say that the VT is even worse. Seriously? Couldn't they say that the F8500 is better in a bright room or if they dont want to mention Samsung they could say TVs from other manfacurers performed better in bright room!! But of course they wont say it this way, they don't want to give Samsung its due where it deserves. the VT's clear cons should not be made to other TVs pros.

"; forthcoming ZT60 might have even better picture quality; "
Since when the cons of a TV is that another TV might be better than it? So the cons of ST60 that the VT and ZT are better than it? And the cons of S60 is that ST,VT and ZT are better? Comparing the TVs are the way to do it but not mentioning it as a cons. And here they are even making an assumption of a TV they have not reviewed yet that is better than that they reviewed. Good marketing from their side smile.gif I bet Panasonic would be generous
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I don't see what the big deal is. The F8500 mentioned that it was darker than the ST60 and VT50, but not as dark as the VT60. But in a light room condition, the F8500 came out on top compared to all 3. I'd say that's pretty good an non-biased?

If you read the review of the F8500, then seeing the words "worse than the F8500 in a bright room" would make sense because he said the F8500 was the best performer in a bright room environment.

I personally don't think there is a bias, especially since the VT60's extra features were on blast such as the smart features and the silly camera and voice command.
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I am a magnolia associate and although we don't have our ZT on display yet, I am confident it will outshine the F8500 (And I don't mean the level of brightness). Looking at the VT60 right next to the 8500, I just think they're different. The 8500 is nice and bright while maintaining decent blacks. However, the vt60 seems more accurate as far as colors go and definitely better black levels. Now, neither set is calibrated but I'm thinking panasonic is the safe bet here.
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cent's VT60 review:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p65vt60/4505-6482_7-35567314.html

I apologize if it's been posted before.
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Originally Posted by Halimali View Post

Cnet and their ridiculous playing with words. Just reading the Cons of VT60 shows what a joke they are.

"worse bright-room picture than that of the Samsung F8500"
As if the F8500 had a bad performance in a bright room to say that the VT is even worse. Seriously? Couldn't they say that the F8500 is better in a bright room or if they dont want to mention Samsung they could say TVs from other manfacurers performed better in bright room!! But of course they wont say it this way, they don't want to give Samsung its due where it deserves. the VT's clear cons should not be made to other TVs pros.
Wow, continuing on the witch hunt, are we? NO Plasma will do as well as an LED in a bright room, period.
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"; forthcoming ZT60 might have even better picture quality; "
Since when the cons of a TV is that another TV might be better than it? So the cons of ST60 that the VT and ZT are better than it? And the cons of S60 is that ST,VT and ZT are better? Comparing the TVs are the way to do it but not mentioning it as a cons. And here they are even making an assumption of a TV they have not reviewed yet that is better than that they reviewed. Good marketing from their side smile.gif I bet Panasonic would be generous
The price differential isn't that great between the two (if one considers ultimate street price) and since this could very well be Panasonic's final hurrah in Plasma, I don't understand the fuss (the ZT60 being the pinnacle and all). They actually give a preview of the ZT60 (not broken in yet) in the review body itself where it shows slightly worse black levels, and the latter panel does use a different design and manufacturing process, which should theoretically give it an edge in the PQ department.
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Wow, continuing on the witch hunt, are we? NO Plasma will do as well as an LED in a bright room, period.

Oh yeah that is right, you can't bear to hear that any TV is superior to your king when it comes to brightness.
F8500 is the brightest plasma, period. biggrin.gif
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i have a bright room and have been on the F8500 vs ZT60 fence a few months - pulled the trigger on a ZT and HDTVTest's review really had me forget the nagging doubt that maybe the F8500 would be better in a bright room...

Seems the ZT's filter/anti-glare coating are really top notch and they say it is one of the best they have seen in a bright room.

I think we are looking at two set that deliver excellent bright room performance, but for different reasons. I don't think a bright-room prospective buyer has a clear set to choose between the two, each one should be excellent but i am still feeling validated w/ my ZT decision...
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Oh yeah that is right, you can't bear to hear that any TV is superior to your king when it comes to brightness.
F8500 is the brightest plasma, period. biggrin.gif
With a bug on artifice Black Optimizer ...
The F8500 is given only for those looking to update their screen ...
In an obscure piece (night) have to put sunglasses ... wink.gif
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Per CNET VT60 review:

This TV beats the Samsung F8500 in terms of black level, although it can't match that panel for image brightness. But in a dim to dark room, the kind in which you'll want to watch any good TV to best appreciate its picture quality, the VT60 wins -- it gets plenty bright enough for most rooms, and that much darker. Colors are a little more vivid on the Panasonic, and flesh tones are healthier looking than the Samsung can muster.

Great words from David to those getting the VT60.
Even ST60 beats a F8500 on the black level (HDTVtest) ... cool.gif
White and 120 cd/m² and more than enough in a piece dark night ... wink.gif
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With a bug on artifice Black Optimizer ...
The F8500 is given only for those looking to update their screen ...
In an obscure piece (night) have to put sunglasses ... wink.gif

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Even ST60 beats a F8500 on the black level (HDTVtest) ... cool.gif
White and 120 cd/m² and more than enough in a piece dark night ... wink.gif

F8500 beats any panasonic or kuro on brightness. cool.gif Plasmas of course
Plenty of brightness to watch sports during the day with friends...wink.gif
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with "lightning" on the White ...biggrin.gif
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F8500 beats any panasonic or kuro on brightness. cool.gif Plasmas of course
Plenty of brightness to watch sports during the day with friends...wink.gif

The kuros are bright enough- http://www.avforums.com/forums/18515096-post119.html

Though i think ALL TV's have enough brightness.
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The kuros are bright enough- http://www.avforums.com/forums/18515096-post119.html

Though i think ALL TV's have enough brightness.

damnit, I havea vt50 and now you need to rush me to the hospital eek.gif
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I am a magnolia associate and although we don't have our ZT on display yet, I am confident it will outshine the F8500 (And I don't mean the level of brightness). Looking at the VT60 right next to the 8500, I just think they're different. The 8500 is nice and bright while maintaining decent blacks. However, the vt60 seems more accurate as far as colors go and definitely better black levels. Now, neither set is calibrated but I'm thinking panasonic is the safe bet here.

What about the 3D performance of each?
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The kuros are bright enough- http://www.avforums.com/forums/18515096-post119.html

Though i think ALL TV's have enough brightness.
Yes ... wink.gif
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The kuros are bright enough- http://www.avforums.com/forums/18515096-post119.html

Though i think ALL TV's have enough brightness.

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Yes ... wink.gif

Kuro's and panasonic's are bright enough? Than, F8500 black level is dark enough....wink.gif
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What about the 3D performance of each?
You know I have to admit I had never thought to look. You can tell how much I take that into consideration when making a decision. I'm gonna have to check that out now.
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Even ST60 beats a F8500 on the black level (HDTVtest) ... cool.gif
White and 120 cd/m² and more than enough in a piece dark night ... wink.gif

It barely beats the 64" model, but the 60" model is darker.
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Just put in a deposit for the Panasonic ZT 60" from Best Buy (Magnolia). Guestimate is a few weeks before it hits their store. First batch to contain 50 units to the US > Southern California > Orange County > Costa Mesa store. Salesman said he thinks they were available for preorder this past Friday 5/3/13. He also said there are 13 preorders ahead of me in the region .. whatever region means..
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Just put in a deposit for the Panasonic ZT 60" from Best Buy (Magnolia).

Price?
coresare's Avatar coresare
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Price?

Huh? price is same everywhere isn't it? The downpayment amount they charge is $350

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Panasonic+-+VIERA+-+60%26%2334%3B+Class+%2860-1/8%26%2334%3B+Diag.%29+-+Plasma+-+1080p+-+600Hz+-+Smart+-+3D+-+HDTV/8177068.p?id=1218865031431&skuId=8177068&st=8177068&cp=1&lp=1

$3,499.99
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You guys are aware that best buy is supposed to have the ZT as a three month exclusive? Maybe 6 months
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You guys are aware that best buy is supposed to have the ZT as a three month exclusive? Maybe 6 months

yes wink.gif this is "old" news here biggrin.gif If you go back a page or few there is discussion on it here or in the other ZT60 thread (the all start to merge together for me sometimes)....
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yes wink.gif this is "old" news here biggrin.gif If you go back a page or few there is discussion on it here or in the other ZT60 thread (the all start to merge together for me sometimes)....
I figured. I was just making sure since I would consider myself a pretty reliable source in this instance.
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cent's VT60 review:

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p65vt60/4505-6482_7-35567314.html

I apologize if it's been posted before.

You think Katzmaier could calibrate that Klein meter of his, since he got the same black level as what he measured on the VT60. I'm having trouble believing the blacks are that much different between models at this point. The 60 F8500 has measured at .001fL and the VT60 has measure .009fL... I wonder if they do this to make the reviews more exciting when they're evaluating the panels and one is noted as being clearly blacker than the other...
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