Originally Posted by discopaul
It's amazing. After a few years nothing has change with respect to Sammy hate. Good luck Ken. I was booted temporarily way back for giving some kuro worshipper the same bias they put in the Sammy threads.
You might have better luck with the panny people. I fail to see how slamming Sammy makes Panny better but some things never change.
Couple of things. Guys we live in a bright world. Go out on a sunny day, heck even an overcast day on you'll note how important brightness is. Even at night time we light things up. We don't live in a world engulfed in a black hole.
Next, blacks for the sake of blacks means nothing. The shade of gray has to be accurate , not just go deep black because the set can go deep black without accurately reproducing a shade of grade. Kinda like having a bass heavy speaker. Just because it can go low doesn't mean every low frequency is at the low frequency that speaker excels at.
Also, the dark room thing is just to offset the inability to get bright enough. It's the converse of adding lights around a set to provide the illusion of higher contrast and better blacks. There is nothing more truthful about watching in a cave-like setting other than knowing you're gonna bump into something.
Anyway, I'll go back to reading.
Umm.. I own 2 Samsung plasmas (as well as a Samsung refridgerator and washer/dryer). I also happen to be a Korean American, so no, I don't hate Samsung. I think this thread is about giving pro and cons of both Samsung and Panny plasmas. I purchased my VT60 because it was cheaper than the F8500 in my area, making it the better value in my case. They are both great sets, and that has been stated numerous times on this thread.
The F8500 can get brighter than the VT/ZT, no dispute there. But that is NOT the end-all be-all for picture quality, otherwise everyone would buy LED sets. Blacks are also not the end-all be-all, but everyone here owns plasma tvs because they blow away LCD/LED sets with their consistent deep black levels. So I guess I'm not understanding your point. Yes, its sunny outside, so what? Do you have a tv set up in your back yard, outside? Most people don't. My VT60 (as well as my 2 Sammy plasmas) serves me just fine in my 'typical' house with plenty of windows and bright fluorescent overhead lighting. I don't wish it to be brighter. If I wanted brighter, I would get an LED and put it on scorch mode. Its all about balance for ultimate picutre quality, and plasmas offer the best balance today (OLED not withstanding). It just happens to be that the F8500 gets a little brighter, while the VT/ZT gets a little darker. That's about it. Otherwise, its a like a 90-95% overlap in picture when properly calibrated. If you want bright whites so bad, just buy an LED already..
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