I keep reading this thread with my popcorn and continue to be amazed. It's stunning how hot the arguments get over a TV set that will most likely be obsolete within 1 or 2 years. I mean seriously, I've seen them both in Magnolia and they're both fantastic. I'm still completely torn on which one to get, F8500 is better in bright rooms and I do a lot of daytime viewing; yet the ZT/VT has less input lag, and I'm a fairly serious gamer. Still, it's a great choice to have as I'm coming from a Samsung LN-46A650.