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post #2071 of 3105 Old 09-15-2013, 11:23 PM
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I got my 60" ZT60 yesterday for 2,300 plus Tax and spent a lot of time with it and I must say its by far the most amazing picture I have ever seen in HD and in 3D mode. After going back and forth between the ZT and F8500 I was able to get a much better deal on this ZT60 because my local Video Only got such good deals on the Panasonics they were able to sell so much cheaper. The 3D on this TV is the best I have ever seen I actually like 3D now and never did before. The picture quality is super sharp and crisp with amazing color accuracy and motion its breathtaking to watch :-)
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that shootout result was based on two groups of votes. they had the xperts vote and they had the audience vote. They then combined the vote to get the overall score, which the f8500 won. The vt/zt won the expert votes and the f8500 won the audience vote - the deciding categroy was a new one they made just for this year which was 'daytime' viewing. The vt/zt couldn't get calibrated to a high enough brightness level so it couldn't even begin to compete in that one category. LCD's win majority of people over due to their brightness. I'm guessing it won you over similarly, which is why my f8500 recommendation. As for lag, it is one of the worst in that area for 2013 plasmas but its game mode still can get it down to just over 50ms if memory serves, so as long as you aren't a serious gamer, no worries.

Depends on what you mean by "serious" gamer? I play Halo and COD, again only like 3 hours a few nights a week at most. But I don't want a TV causing my Halo action any lag, I can't believe a TV has "lag" issues, I know the games themselves, especially when playing online multiplayer, the network gets lagged but my TV really? I'd like to see that in action.

It's an issue for sure, but one many TVs have. In the old days I was pc and I only used CRT for real gaming.
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With the setting on PC, (not game mode) the lag is not an issue for Halo and COD.

Does this PC mode take away from the Xbox IQ at all?
And so if you just played Xbox in one of the TV settings there is bad lag between when you initiate a controller command, and when you see it happen on the TV?
I don't remember noticing this on my UN60ES8000, are they less prone to it than plasma? Maybe I didn't know to even look for it, but it was there?
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An ex-Best Buy Home Theater sales guy gave me a tip to get the best price, especially if its an online price and they won't match right away, its not that they can't match it, they just prefer not to. So he said get a cart, load it up with a handful of monster cables, the warranty papers etc, all the stuff they try to upsell you on and then get them to get you the best price by mentioning where you saw it for a lot less.
Once they commit to that price, you can "change your mind" on the other stuff and they can't change the price they quoted you. I know its kind of dirty, I won't do it, he just said thats a trick you could try. I don't have the balls to do that, I used to work in retail, not on commission but even so, thats just wrong. But he said it happens.

I ended up buying a 64F8500 from BB/MHT. To BB/MHT's credit they did go above and beyond to make me happy even though they would not budge on the price of the TV. They offered me free cables, free Blu-Ray discs, heavy discounts on electronics, all things I don't need and wasn't interested in. I did need a new stand for the TV, however. There was a beautiful Salamander stand that both my wife and I liked but it was out of our price range . With a little work and threatening to leave without buying the manager came through with a very substantial discount, enough to make up the difference on the price I got on the TV from an internet dealer. They also gave me 36 months free financing which I hopefully won't need but it's nice to have. They will also assemble the stand and haul off the old RPTV. TV and stand being delivered on Friday. Now to start researching all the F8500 related threads some more.
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How about reflectiveness? Which is more reflective, the panny vt, zt, samsung F8500 or F8000? Can you rank them for me. Thanks
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From most to least reflective:

VT60
F8500
ZT60

Not sure where the F8000 fits in, probably near the top.
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I see. So if you would rank it to 10 = least reflective and 1 = most reflective, then it would be:

VT60 = 1
F8500 = 5
ZT60 = 10

or would the F8500 be around 3 (closer to the VT60) or 8 (closer to the ZT60)?
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I see. So if you would rank it to 10 = least reflective and 1 = most reflective, then it would be:

VT60 = 1
F8500 = 5
ZT60 = 10

or would the F8500 be around 3 (closer to the VT60) or 8 (closer to the ZT60)?

Vt60-6
F8500-9
Zt-10

IMO biggrin.gif
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I got my 60" ZT60 yesterday for 2,300 plus Tax and spent a lot of time with it and I must say its by far the most amazing picture I have ever seen in HD and in 3D mode. After going back and forth between the ZT and F8500 I was able to get a much better deal on this ZT60 because my local Video Only got such good deals on the Panasonics they were able to sell so much cheaper. The 3D on this TV is the best I have ever seen I actually like 3D now and never did before. The picture quality is super sharp and crisp with amazing color accuracy and motion its breathtaking to watch :-)

What is your basis of comparison, i.e., what prior panels have you owned? A little qualifying context would be useful.

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Vt60-6
F8500-9
Zt-10

IMO biggrin.gif

Me personally I think the F8500 is more like a "matte screen" (although it isn't) while the ZT60 is more like a glossy screen with good coating. Very hard to put into words though. I felt the ZT60 was actually more reflective than then F8500, but in a much better way than most other reflective displays. Perhaps best seen when displaying blacks in a bright room, the ZT60 kind of feels "inky black" while the blacks on the F8500 are slightly "brownish" (in a bright room). Also, the F8500 due to it's brightness levels of course have much more power to overpower the reflections, in the same way most LCD:s does. What can be said though is that the ZT60 is MUCH better than a VT60 in a bright room.

(I concur with Jasons ratings, even though I might put the VT60 slightly lower)
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How about the F8000 ? Is it more reflective than t he VT? F8500? What is its rank
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I don't know if i am doing something stupid.

I have a Pioneer KRP-600A, and i have it for like 3 or 4 years. I love the picture, however in the reviews the Panasonic beats it.

I am tempted to trade it for the Panasonic has a have a guy that gives me 3200 Euros for the Pioneer and i buy the ZT60 with the same cash exactly.

I prefer the looks of the Pioneer, all black, no metal. But i guess it's a matter of time for me to get used to the Panasonic. Besides i think the "avarage durability" will be better on the Panasonic.

I am being stupid?
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I would do it in a second for the same money. The Panasonic has roughly the same pq, better features and has 3 or 4 years less wear on it.

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I would do it in a second for the same money. The Panasonic has roughly the same pq, better features and has 3 or 4 years less wear on it.

Yes, you are right it has 3 or 4 years of "less wear", and that worries me. However it also worries me if i will get the same picture quality...

Is there any difference on picture quality from the ZT60 to the VT60? Because the ZT60 it's only available on "60" inch in Europe and the VT60 there is a "65" inch.
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the better filter of the zt makes the picture have a bit more contrast to my eyes in a magnolia center. With the lights off I'm told they are no different though. I'd take the 5 extra inches though in my own case and dial in the blinds a bit better to block out the sun wink.gif
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the better filter of the zt makes the picture have a bit more contrast to my eyes in a magnolia center. With the lights off I'm told they are no different though. I'd take the 5 extra inches though in my own case and dial in the blinds a bit better to block out the sun wink.gif
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the better filter of the zt makes the picture have a bit more contrast to my eyes in a magnolia center. With the lights off I'm told they are no different though. I'd take the 5 extra inches though in my own case and dial in the blinds a bit better to block out the sun wink.gif

So the difference is not that much? I am a bit "picky", but the price of them both is the same, and the VT60 is 5 inch bigger...

My Pioneer has a universal wall support, do you know if i can use it on the Panasonic? I don't like the silver stand...
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if you don't have lots of sunlight bouncing off all your walls and hitting the screen, and you don't watch tv critically during the day, then the difference is too slight for me to justify buying a smaller screen for the filter. sorry, don't know anything about wall mounting it. I would ask in the owners section.

on a side note, if you ever see the two tvs side by side and you just keep backing up till you are 20 ft away, that's when it becomes clear how well the filter works - the tv's beside it will start to 'wash out' while the ZT image will remain very good.
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if you don't have lots of sunlight bouncing off all your walls and hitting the screen, and you don't watch tv critically during the day, then the difference is too slight for me to justify buying a smaller screen for the filter. sorry, don't know anything about wall mounting it. I would ask in the owners section.

on a side note, if you ever see the two tvs side by side and you just keep backing up till you are 20 ft away, that's when it becomes clear how well the filter works - the tv's beside it will start to 'wash out' while the ZT image will remain very good.

I have no light at all, i keep all my gear away from the sun. What i have is some clarity in the morning, but nothing else...
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My Pioneer has a universal wall support, do you know if i can use it on the Panasonic? I don't like the silver stand...
Most likely but you may have to get different screws.

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My main concern is that i may not get perfection as the KRP-600A...
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My main concern is that i may not get perfection as the KRP-600A...
If you consider the KRP perfection then why switch?

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If you consider the KRP perfection then why switch?

Because i have hope the Panasonic will provide the same picture quality and it's a 0 hours display, whiel my Pioneer has 3 or 4 years of use.
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3-4 years of use is not really that much. I'd just keep the Pioneer for now. Only reason I'm thinking of swapping out mine is because it's a 42. And I've had it for around 6 years.
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3-4 years of use is not really that much. I'd just keep the Pioneer for now. Only reason I'm thinking of swapping out mine is because it's a 42. And I've had it for around 6 years.

My plasma has around 5000 hours of use. Is this much?
I think the picture is perfect, i don't see any loss, in fact this might look stupid, but i think the image sometimes looks even better than when it was new.
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Because i have hope the Panasonic will provide the same picture quality and it's a 0 hours display, whiel my Pioneer has 3 or 4 years of use.

So you want to replace your Pioneer for fear that something will eventually go wrong with it and you will then need to replace it?

How about keep using and enjoying your Pioneer until it needs to be replaced, then purchase one of the Panasonics then, likely at a cheaper price later? Or next year. Or the year after that.

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So you want to replace your Pioneer for fear that something will eventually go wrong with it and you will then need to replace it?

How about keep using and enjoying your Pioneer until it needs to be replaced, then purchase one of the Panasonics then, likely at a cheaper price later? Or next year. Or the year after that.

Because the ZT60 Series are Limited Edtion. I think that i will buy a ZT60 pr VT60 "65" inch and just keep it in box for the future.
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5000 hours is not really that much. Panasonic will have plasma's next year. Even if zt isn't offered the filter it uses will probably make it down to the vt. Samsung will also probably have a better set. No need to buy one just to hold on to it.
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How about the F8000 ? Is it more reflective than t he VT? F8500? What is its rank

The F8000 is quite reflective, but handles it quite well, kind of like the ZT60 but with the addition of a much brighter image as well which helps a lot. But the F8000 probably should be discussed in other threads.
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I would do it in a second for the same money. The Panasonic has roughly the same pq, better features and has 3 or 4 years less wear on it.

I second that, the Kuros were great but it's time to move on. Personally, I feel that anyone prepared to offer more than 3000 EUR for a 3-4 year old TV must be crazy, and if someone offered me that money I wouldn't hesitate a second.
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