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Hi Vinnie,

Could you link me to where someone reported calibrating a ZT to 50 ftl? I am getting my ZT calibrated in Feb and would like to read about that. Thanks!

That may have been Buzz.

But didn't he do it using an eecolor processor and cube calibration?
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Chad is able to get the ZT into the 50s ftL in high panel brightness. Discussion is here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474480/official-zt60-owners-thread/6960
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Chad is able to get the ZT into the 50s ftL in high panel brightness. Discussion is here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474480/official-zt60-owners-thread/6960

I wonder how the panel reacts to ir  at those levels when so many have it at 35 ftL???

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To explain this another way, my 4 cylinder Honda will go 120 MPH, but it is straining yet my friends Porshe does it with ease, and can go all day...

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Chad is able to get the ZT into the 50s ftL in high panel brightness. Discussion is here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474480/official-zt60-owners-thread/6960

Awesome, thanks! Guess there is no compromise in brightness if one opts for the ZT60. Too bad they are virtually all gone now and no more will be made.

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I wonder how the panel reacts to ir  at those levels when so many have it at 35 ftL???

I am not sure anyone knows for certain, but all IR needs to be managed accordingly at whatever ftL if it is a concern.

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To explain this another way, my 4 cylinder Honda will go 120 MPH, but it is straining yet my friends Porshe does it with ease, and can go all day...
Has it been stated that the ZT60 is straining? I must have missed that post. Only posts I have seen is that it has the greatest blacks and now it it's capable of achieving more then enough brightness. I would say they have a winner on their hands.

The down side is you will need to pay another $500 to see those calibrated brightness levels. Or that can be an upside depending on how you look at it and if you were in the fence about a calibration.
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Has it been stated that the ZT60 is straining? I must have missed that post. Only posts I have seen is that it has the greatest blacks and now it it's capable of achieving more then enough brightness. I would say they have a winner on their hands.

The down side is you will need to pay another $500 to see those calibrated brightness levels. Or that can be an upside depending on how you look at it and if you were in the fence about a calibration.

Yes, I can put a supercharger on my Honda also, he must be raising levels beyond the factory specs to achieve those figures, which by the way are still not as high as the 8500.

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Yes, I can put a supercharger on my Honda also, he must be raising levels beyond the factory specs to achieve those figures, which by the way are still not as high as the 8500.
He is obviously raising the brightness within specs considering he is using the settings built into the TV. He is not altering or physically changing anything.

Also, who really cares if the 8500 is still brighter. LEDs are brighter then your F8500 but you still bought the less bright TV, why? Because the picture was better. Hence, brighter doesn't always mean better. wink.gif
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He is obviously raising the brightness within specs considering he is using the settings built into the TV. He is not altering or physically changing anything.

Also, who really cares if the 8500 is still brighter. LEDs are brighter then your F8500 but you still bought the less bright TV, why? Because the picture was better. Hence, brighter doesn't always mean better. wink.gif

I bought my set because it was the best TV I could find for cost / size that fills my needs. Not because who made it, and LED,s are barely brighter than the 8500, and this should hold me over till OLED.

 

PS: I paid a lot less than the VT / ZT were selling for at the time.

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Yea, so what have we learned? The ZT60 can almost reach F8500 light output levels (just as the F8500 can almost reach ZT60 mll levels). Beyond some red herring about "supercharging" and longevity concerns (not completely unwarranted but wild conjecture all the same), I have to wonder why this is bad news for ZT60 owners (or maybe I don't...).
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I bought my set because it was the best TV I could find for cost / size that fills my needs. Not because who made it, and LED,s are barely brighter than the 8500, and this should hold me over till OLED.

PS: I paid a lot less than the VT / ZT were selling for at the time.

LEDs Barely brighter? HAHA, with shades on!!!!
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LEDs Barely brighter? HAHA, with shades on!!!!
It's not rocket science to know an LED lit display is brighter than a plasma panel, any plasma panel.

The only displays I find a bit too dim were the previous years UT50. Everything else I've seen has been just fine for me.
Yeah, he is just reaching for anything now. Typical user just trying to make his panel sound better then anything else even though we know it's not. Why would an F8500 owner ever use their panel as bright as it can go anyway.

A pro cal for daytime in a lit room will never have the brightness up to 100% on an F8500, so in reality the only thing that is important is if it can get bright enough during the day for the picture to cut through and the with the better filter on the ZT60 daytime blacks will be better as well.

Sounds to me like the ZT60 has become the best all around panel. I am still happy with my VT60 though...
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Chad is able to get the ZT into the 50s ftL in high panel brightness. Discussion is here:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474480/official-zt60-owners-thread/6960

That sounds great but unless you can figure a way around the wattage limited controls, then regular content may not show much of a difference.

Speaking of which, my 65VT50 max wattage was 485 watts and the 64F800 is 614 watts. That extra 129 watts makes a difference in brightness.

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Yeah, he is just reaching for anything now. Typical user just trying to make his panel sound better then anything else even though we know it's not. Why would an F8500 owner ever use their panel as bright as it can go anyway.

A pro cal for daytime in a lit room will never have the brightness up to 100% on an F8500, so in reality the only thing that is important is if it can get bright enough during the day for the picture to cut through and the with the better filter on the ZT60 daytime blacks will be better as well.

Sounds to me like the ZT60 has become the best all around panel. I am still happy with my VT60 though...

Chad B confirmed that the vt60 could also be calibrated in the 50fl range with his new settings, and doesn't the vt have a superior filter over the sammy? So does this mean that even the vt60 is superior in day time viewing over the F8500? eek.gif

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The F8500 has a much better filter for glare over the VT60.

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Chad B confirmed that the vt60 could also be calibrated in the 50fl range with his new settings, and doesn't the vt have a superior filter over the sammy? So does this mean that even the vt60 is superior in day time viewing over the F8500? eek.gif

IMO the VT is let down by the two sheet of glass design the ZT, F8500 and ST don't have to contend with because some of that light output you worked hard to get then gets bounced right off that front sheet of glass. It's a very minimal effect, but it's one that I notice, especially once you begin to hit an angle.
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IMO the VT is let down by the two sheet of glass design the ZT, F8500 and ST don't have to contend with because some of that light output you worked hard to get then gets bounced right off that front sheet of glass. It's a very minimal effect, but it's one that I notice, especially once you begin to hit an angle.
It has been said the VT60 has 1 sheet of glass as well, it is just not directly bonded like the ZT60 is. I have no harder time watching the VT60 in the daytime then I did with my ST60 when I had one. I will say that daytime viewing blacks are the not the greatest though and depending on the amount of light can look grey.

Even though the F8500 can get bright, how well does it keep it's blacks in a well lit room? I will say if you watch the 2013 shootout the F8500 looks as grey as the VT60 when they have the lights on.
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It has been said the VT60 has 1 sheet of glass as well, it is just not directly bonded like the ZT60 is. I have no harder time watching the VT60 in the daytime then I did with my ST60 when I had one. I will say that daytime viewing blacks are the not the greatest though and depending on the amount of light can look grey.

Even though the F8500 can get bright, how well does it keep it's blacks in a well lit room? I will say if you watch the 2013 shootout the F8500 looks as grey as the VT60 when they have the lights on.

i find this really depends on the type and location of lights.

halogens placed overhead, almost no affect on black levels at all. very good

halogens placed over viewing area, or shining onto the screen from the front will wash out the blacks like normal. the screen itself is blacker than other plasmas i've had though(not sure how it compares to the vt) so even at it's worst, it's not terrible, like cheaper plasmas

now, i recently replaced all my lights with 6000k LED bulbs, and these ones seem to affect black floor WAY more. was an unfortunate side affect, and i'm assuming it's the color not the fact it's led's. still, even the lights placed right over the tv have an effect on black level now

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The F8500 has a much better filter for glare over the VT60.

It also has visible horizontal stripes due to that filter.
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i find this really depends on the type and location of lights.

halogens placed overhead, almost no affect on black levels at all. very good

halogens placed over viewing area, or shining onto the screen from the front will wash out the blacks like normal. the screen itself is blacker than other plasmas i've had though(not sure how it compares to the vt) so even at it's worst, it's not terrible, like cheaper plasmas

now, i recently replaced all my lights with 6000k LED bulbs, and these ones seem to affect black floor WAY more. was an unfortunate side affect, and i'm assuming it's the color not the fact it's led's. still, even the lights placed right over the tv have an effect on black level now


I'm thinking of putting a couple of weak LED lights behind my screen pointing upward to achieve both the needed ambient light in a dark room to avoid eye strain, and make the blacks pop even more. I'm using the stand and the bottom edge of the screen is about 34" off the floor. Plus when the TV is off wouldn't that backlit glow look awesome behind the ZT screen?

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It also has visible horizontal stripes due to that filter.

I didn't notice that during regular viewing as I had the set for about a week before returning it.

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It also has visible horizontal stripes due to that filter.

The only time I can see those horizontal lines is when the tv is off, and a light is reflecting off the screen.
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It has been said the VT60 has 1 sheet of glass as well, it is just not directly bonded like the ZT60 is. I have no harder time watching the VT60 in the daytime then I did with my ST60 when I had one. I will say that daytime viewing blacks are the not the greatest though and depending on the amount of light can look grey.

Even though the F8500 can get bright, how well does it keep it's blacks in a well lit room? I will say if you watch the 2013 shootout the F8500 looks as grey as the VT60 when they have the lights on.

I think it's considered that the front glass is Sheet 1, then you have an air gap in the VT60 and then the PDP glass itself would be the 2nd pane. By melding those together I'm assuming that's how the ZT is then considered just 1. So both pieces are there still like the VT, but bonded optically into 1 sheet.
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It has been said the VT60 has 1 sheet of glass as well, it is just not directly bonded like the ZT60 is. I have no harder time watching the VT60 in the daytime then I did with my ST60 when I had one. I will say that daytime viewing blacks are the not the greatest though and depending on the amount of light can look grey.

Even though the F8500 can get bright, how well does it keep it's blacks in a well lit room? I will say if you watch the 2013 shootout the F8500 looks as grey as the VT60 when they have the lights on.


I'm curious about your take on this. I watched my friends GT30 a lot prior to buying my ZT. I noticed he has no airgap either. I realized that the VT is the only double layer design with an air gap that Panasonic makes. I studied both the VT and the ZT for an hour in a BB after ordering the VT and decided to cancel the VT and spring for ZT. Now having the ZT for a week, I'm really glad I did. I love that my living room is sunny but it's a liability for TV watching. This whole technical thing focused my mind. You really do need to consider the room and your viewing habits to make the right choice.

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I'm curious about your take on this. I watched my friends GT30 a lot prior to buying my ZT. I noticed he has no airgap either. I realized that the VT is the only double layer design with an air gap that Panasonic makes. I studied both the VT and the ZT for an hour in a BB after ordering the VT and decided to cancel the VT and spring for ZT. Now having the ZT for a week, I'm really glad I did. I love that my living room is sunny but it's a liability for TV watching. This whole technical thing focused my mind. You really do need to consider the room and your viewing habits to make the right choice.
I have no problem watching the VT60 during the day but it does lose it's black levels and contrast. The ST60 was no different. I thought the single bonding process was a ZT exclusive and no other Panasonic was like that.
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I have no problem watching the VT60 during the day but it does lose it's black levels and contrast. The ST60 was no different. I thought the single bonding process was a ZT exclusive and no other Panasonic was like that.


That's true, you're right. Panasonic wanted to keep the single sheet design look when they decided to improve upon the VT. The VT design was impeding the "ultimate picture" objective and Panny didn't want to go backwards aesthetically to achieve their goal. Hence the bonding. The older displays and the S and ST all have no air gap either. They didn't need bonding because the raised bezel on them didn't require an extra sheet of glass.

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Well, I took the plunge ( been a quite 'lurker' on here for a while....learning from all you !  I stumbled upon a 65" zt60 at BB that was on 'open box' with a few dents in the back that I utilmately made the decision to buy($2150) after toying with Samsung f8500 and Sony w900a and w850 ( 65'').   I got a Great deal on it.(bought the 5 yr protection package and calibration service ( since it was a display model it already had the hours on it)...took it home, plugged it in and ..........nothing..      It wouldn't power on ( could 'hear' it trying.)...had the 7 blinking red flashes of death. I could barely believe it....was SO disappointed. 

 

Next day, take it back they find another on in another store in Denver to possibly trade out,  but it had the same issue!!!!   It would have taken 3-4 weeks to have it sent out and repaired with new power board/source/supply.....but I had the fever and didn't want to wait for it while paying for it.  So, Amazingly, I threw out a suggestion....would they exchange the 65'' Panny for the 64" 8500?  They did it!!!! and it was new($3k) , not a display.   I only get a 2  yr BB warranty for the same $ vs the 5yr on the 'lower priced' Panasonic zt.

 

Wondered how many of you would opt for the extra $$ for the extended warranty.......$279 for 2 years...$529 for 5 years or not at all?

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Well, I took the plunge ( been a quite 'lurker' on here for a while....learning from all you !  I stumbled upon a 65" zt60 at BB that was on 'open box' with a few dents in the back that I utilmately made the decision to buy($2150) after toying with Samsung f8500 and Sony w900a and w850 ( 65'').   I got a Great deal on it.(bought the 5 yr protection package and calibration service ( since it was a display model it already had the hours on it)...took it home, plugged it in and ..........nothing..      It wouldn't power on ( could 'hear' it trying.)...had the 7 blinking red flashes of death. I could barely believe it....was SO disappointed. 

Next day, take it back they find another on in another store in Denver to possibly trade out,  but it had the same issue!!!!   It would have taken 3-4 weeks to have it sent out and repaired with new power board/source/supply.....but I had the fever and didn't want to wait for it while paying for it.  So, Amazingly, I threw out a suggestion....would they exchange the 65'' Panny for the 64" 8500?  They did it!!!! and it was new($3k) , not a display.   I only get a 2  yr BB warranty for the same $ vs the 5yr on the 'lower priced' Panasonic zt.

Wondered how many of you would opt for the extra $$ for the extended warranty.......$279 for 2 years...$529 for 5 years or not at all?

Although I don't really like buying the warranties that's a personal decision. Your TV can have a problem, but no one here that is willing to tell you plans are a "waste of money" is going to mail you a check if something does go wrong.

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Well, I took the plunge ( been a quite 'lurker' on here for a while....learning from all you !  I stumbled upon a 65" zt60 at BB that was on 'open box' with a few dents in the back that I utilmately made the decision to buy($2150) after toying with Samsung f8500 and Sony w900a and w850 ( 65'').   I got a Great deal on it.(bought the 5 yr protection package and calibration service ( since it was a display model it already had the hours on it)...took it home, plugged it in and ..........nothing..      It wouldn't power on ( could 'hear' it trying.)...had the 7 blinking red flashes of death. I could barely believe it....was SO disappointed. 

Next day, take it back they find another on in another store in Denver to possibly trade out,  but it had the same issue!!!!   It would have taken 3-4 weeks to have it sent out and repaired with new power board/source/supply.....but I had the fever and didn't want to wait for it while paying for it.  So, Amazingly, I threw out a suggestion....would they exchange the 65'' Panny for the 64" 8500?  They did it!!!! and it was new($3k) , not a display.   I only get a 2  yr BB warranty for the same $ vs the 5yr on the 'lower priced' Panasonic zt.

Wondered how many of you would opt for the extra $$ for the extended warranty.......$279 for 2 years...$529 for 5 years or not at all?

On a plasma I like the warranty because while if any of the boards go it is not a huge deal to get repaired, if the panel has an issue the TV is a loss. I love BB warranty, totally hassle free and they stand behind it. I have had great success with BB and only used their warranty once and that was me being picking about some IR from the 12 Olympics, they swapped the set with no hassles. I was upset when my Zt got fractures and they had no Panasonic plasmas left so now I have to deal with a Square Trade warranty that I hope I never have to use since their coverage is not as good as BB. I buy warranty basically to protect from a panel loss, electronics can be replaced.
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