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BizMarkie 04-22-2013 07:21 PM

I need some opinions on these two brands .. Should I buy f8500 now or wait and see ? I went to check F8500...the best tv so far for this year..killing VT50 ...but I dont know about ZT60 ....You guys have any more info please let me know. Thanks

moshock 04-22-2013 07:33 PM

Is the F8500 even better than the VT60?

vinnie97 04-22-2013 07:34 PM

You should definitely wait unless you want something to burn yer retinas pronto.

Ken Ross 04-22-2013 08:22 PM

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Is the F8500 even better than the VT60?

Many that have seen both prefer the F8500. I'm one of them. Best to see both yourself and see how you like it. It's not just the brightness that makes the picture so likeable. wink.gif

Ph8te 04-22-2013 08:29 PM

As the others have said wait, if you are in no rush to get a enw TV, then you should wait and see waht the production ZTs will offer. This is esepically the case if you are in a light controlled room or have a "batcave".......

Mixdoctor 04-22-2013 08:47 PM

This is a question I would like to know too. I might just replace my 151HD with one of these. The problem is....I just saw the VT60 at BB and man was it not bright, even looking dull in the THX Bright mode. Can the VT60 or ZT60 at least achieve 40fl of light at all? My Kuro can and I definitely do not want less bright than that, if not I might have to get the F8500, which I do like, but it seems to have a few problems right now.

BizMarkie 04-22-2013 08:52 PM

F8500 is super bright...and I heard some people said F8500 killed ZT60 at CES show ...

BizMarkie 04-22-2013 08:58 PM

THEY ARE SAYING ZT60 WILL COST AROUND 3,999-$4,099...

vinnie97 04-22-2013 09:10 PM

bulls on sammie parade. frown.gif

frostylou 04-22-2013 09:11 PM

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Many that have seen both prefer the F8500. I'm one of them. Best to see both yourself and see how you like it. It's not just the brightness that makes the picture so likeable. wink.gif

I have seen both and played with the settings on both.
While the new Panasonic is a beautiful TV,
I think the F8500 is simply the television of the year.( oled and 4k, aside).
The f8500s combination of Super Black with almost LED brightness, just blew me away.

hotskins 04-22-2013 09:11 PM

My store has both next to eachother. Everyone prefers the VT60 over the 8500

vinnie97 04-22-2013 09:15 PM

Our overlords at Google have weighed in: Google says what

Ph8te 04-22-2013 09:23 PM

Biz (by the way I like your username)

The only one who will be able to tell if one TV is better than the other is you, we can shoot all the numbers and give our personal opinons, site all the reviews, but in the end YOU wil have to buy and watch the TV. So usually before I suggest a TV its better to know more about what you want out of the TV, the light levels in the room it will be put in (Bright, Controlled, batcave), What TV are you coming from? what are your viewing habits? (Cable\Sattelite, Blu-ray, mix of both, gamer, etc). At leat for me its never as simple as saying "which is the best" as really there are different answers depending on what you are looking for. The final judgement though should be made once you get to see the set in person as this will give you the best idea of how the TV will look, although not perfect at msot stores, it gives you a base to go off of....

Ph8te 04-22-2013 09:26 PM

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Our overlords at Google have weighed in: Google says what


cant we all just get along......I can see the posturizing happening already, sighhhh frown.gif

vinnie97 04-22-2013 09:34 PM

I thought it was funny, clearly posted in jesssst. wink wink

Ph8te 04-22-2013 09:36 PM

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I thought it was funny, clearly posted in jesssst. wink wink

Vinne why so serious? tongue.gif

BizMarkie 04-22-2013 09:41 PM

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Biz (by the way I like your username)

The only one who will be able to tell if one TV is better than the other is you, we can shoot all the numbers and give our personal opinons, site all the reviews, but in the end YOU wil have to buy and watch the TV. So usually before I suggest a TV its better to know more about what you want out of the TV, the light levels in the room it will be put in (Bright, Controlled, batcave), What TV are you coming from? what are your viewing habits? (Cable\Sattelite, Blu-ray, mix of both, gamer, etc). At leat for me its never as simple as saying "which is the best" as really there are different answers depending on what you are looking for. The final judgement though should be made once you get to see the set in person as this will give you the best idea of how the TV will look, although not perfect at msot stores, it gives you a base to go off of....

THANKS PH8TE,

BIZ IS MY DOG NAME....I GOT SAMSUNG LED 60' E7100 RIGHT NOW AND LOOKING TO REPLACE WITH SOMETHING BETTER AND BIGGER..MY LIVING ROOM HAS ALOT OF LIGHTS FROM WINDOWS ..HERE IS THE PIC SO MAYBE YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME IDEA.....

THE BIGGEST SIZE I CAN GET IS 65' SO IT WILL BE MATCH TO MY FIREPLACE...DONT WANT TO GET TOO BIG...IT WILL LOOK UGLY ON FIREPLACE...


Ph8te 04-22-2013 09:47 PM

Even with those lights I dont think youll ahve a problem with brightness, the only thing I WOULD caution on is the fireplace, if you do use it I would take temperature readings to ensure it doesnt get too hot.......Since you have an LCD currently, the F8500 may be an easier transition for you, BUT in about 2 weeks the Value Electronics shootout will happen so well see how the ZT performs. Once you get an idea of how the VT, ZT, F8500 perform I would then start focusing research until you get to see one in person. Both Panasonic and Samsung each have a "look" to the way they display images, so it may come down to something simple for you as in which TV is more appealing to your eyes.....

vinnie97 04-22-2013 10:03 PM

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cant we all just get a long......I can see the posturizing happening already, sighhhh frown.gif
btw, get a long what?eek.gif

Ph8te 04-22-2013 10:12 PM

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btw, get a long what?eek.gif



biggrin.gif
*along

bosng 04-22-2013 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BizMarkie View Post

I need some opinions on these two brands .. Should I buy f8500 now or wait and see ? I went to check F8500...the best tv so far for this year..killing VT50 ...but I dont know about ZT60 ....You guys have any more info please let me know. Thanks

well since the zt60 isn't out yet all you can do is wait.

but to get a preview you can compare the f8500 to the vt60 which is out right now and bb is displaying these next to each other (in my town anyway)

the zt series will be even better.

i already can see a big difference in the uncalibrated pq of the f8500 and the vt60.

you'll have to decide for yourself and not listen to a bunch of people on the internet.

it was an easy choice for me, though i'm still waiting on a couple more sets to hit the stores.

Bladerunner1959 04-23-2013 05:29 AM

I happily own the un60es8000 and not in the market. That said, i saw the f8500 65" next to the vt50 at the Magnolia room.

The F8500 is superior and better than the Kuro delivering the cleanest, clearest most realistic PQ i have ever seen in a plasma.

Regarding brightness; the F is a Porsche compared to the vt making it look dim and lifeless.

airgas1998 04-23-2013 06:26 AM

look at all of those various opinions....much like everybody's rear end.biggrin.gif

Glashub 04-23-2013 06:30 AM

I have a VT50 and I have owned 2 Kuro's -- I would not call the VT dim and lifeless. It just isn't. It has it's faults but once calibrated even with some of the settings on this forum -- no way. It is a bright and vibrant plasma. In fact, when I focus on the big glorious picture I find it as good as or even maybe better than the 111fd I sold. However if I fixate on the black bars it comes up short. But who watches black bars as an evenings entertainment but AVS'ers?

Based on my VT50 I feel confident the VT60 (and ZT60) will most likely be better.

jh901 04-23-2013 06:41 AM

Are the "dull and lifeless" members trying to achieve fidelity to the source or attempting to manipulate the source to look the way they want? For example, some like the "soap opera" look of motion smoothing and the like. Is that the right way to see movies?

Mixdoctor 04-23-2013 07:57 AM

It's just that when you see the VT50 or VT60 in the Magnolia rooms they are the dullest looking sets. Uncalibrated it looks like something you can only view in a cave. Hell yesterday I got a hold of the remote and tried to brighten up the VT60 to not avail. I then realized later that I did not go into the pro settings menu and play with those settings. For me, I am just trying to get it to look as bright and vibrant as my Kuro.

Ph8te 04-23-2013 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jh901 View Post

Are the "dull and lifeless" members trying to achieve fidelity to the source or attempting to manipulate the source to look the way they want? For example, some like the "soap opera" look of motion smoothing and the like. Is that the right way to see movies?

Of course they are trying to get the TV to look they want it to and which fits thier individual setting. As its been discussed before not everyone has the luxury of buying blinds\shades\etc for light control. On top of this not everyone likes the accurate look.The only wrong look is the one the owner of the TV doesnt like.

vinnie97 04-23-2013 08:30 AM

Blinds are a luxury? wink.gif I know we're headed to 3rd world but I didn't know just how far we were along. frown.gif

Also, if a TV can't even provide a modicum of an accurate picture (accurate color decoding/reproduction being one of the most noticeable factors here), which can then be adjusted to one's own preference (which, I would argue as someone originally enamored with LCD fanaticism, with little exception, those who don't like an accurate PQ just haven't seen a properly calibrated picture), I just can't understand the draw.

Glashub 04-23-2013 08:36 AM

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It's just that when you see the VT50 or VT60 in the Magnolia rooms they are the dullest looking sets. Uncalibrated it looks like something you can only view in a cave. Hell yesterday I got a hold of the remote and tried to brighten up the VT60 to not avail. I then realized later that I did not go into the pro settings menu and play with those settings. For me, I am just trying to get it to look as bright and vibrant as my Kuro.

I don't know what the disconnect is. I owned Kuros for 6-7 years straight. I find the VT50 to be as bright and vibrant and no I don't have anything set to max. It is a very Kuro like image if you keep your eyes off of the black bars.

To each his own. Maybe the 8500 is where you should go BUT don't call the VT dull and lifeless based on looking at it at a BB. Also, the default THX settings are much like the Pure mode on the Kuro (which looked dull to me) until I applied D-Nices settimgs. Maybe you like the look of the Movie mode on the Kuro and that's what you're used to?

Ph8te 04-23-2013 08:45 AM

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Blinds are a luxury? wink.gif I know we're headed to 3rd world but I didn't know just how far we were along. frown.gif

Also, if a TV can't even provide a modicum of an accurate picture (accurate color decoding/reproduction being one of the most noticeable factors here), which can then be adjusted to one's own preference (which, I would argue as someone originally enamored with LCD fanaticism, with little exception, those who don't like an accurate PQ just haven't seen a properly calibrated picture), I just can't understand the draw.

Vinnie c'mon now I ahve seen applciation where blinds would be a few thousand dollars, heck even a few hundred dollars, so yes a luxury....Blinds\drapes dont always fit the room either, so even if you could add them, they would be out of place.


We are again going in this circles here, we have people having a hard timee getting out of thier own "box" of thought. People say that well you dont like the accurate picture, becasue youve never seen one, which in saome cases is FAR formt eh truth, what one prefers and what is accurate can be 2 VERY different things. I dont knock either becsue its not my TV. Its the main reason I ask the questions I do, becasue I dont assume the person buying the TV is looking for the same qualities or will even watch the TV in the same way I do.


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