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What's the worst that can happen using slides ?
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Well I can tell you in the case of my Panasonic V10 using the break-in slides was a mistake because we all found out later the more usage of the set the more the black level faded!!
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That's relevant how ?

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Ugh. Just watching the tv black levels with fade. What's your point?
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Ugh. Just watching the tv black levels with fade. What's your point?

My point is how is some comment about a 2009 set relevant to a 2013 model ?

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It is worth noting that running slides has a measurable reduction in the life of a TV. The benefits, if there are any besides killing time, are less measurable.

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300 hours sapped from a 100,000 hour predicted life? Tempest in a teacup, that. biggrin.gif One benefit I can think of is stress testing. If the TV has problematic components, you are more likely to make them fail within the warranty period by running said slides.
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100,000 estimated. And it doesn't just blow up after hour 100,000, it dims over time. Half life and all that. A plasma stars to decay the second you turn it on. Breaking in the tv probably won't have a negative impact but it is wear & tear. Every hour you run slides is one less hour you'll be able to watch it. Again, not a big deal, but what's the benefit of slides exactly?

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IMO there isn't one outside prepping for dnice s settings maybe to accumulate hours unattended that's the extent of it

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Blacks r gonna fade regardless. Wish it wasn't so but it's gonna happen. 2008 or 2013. Doesn't matter. Nature of the beast.
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IMO there isn't one outside prepping for dnice s settings maybe to accumulate hours unattended that's the extent of it
But you don't have to prep for D-Nice's settings. You can set your tv to those settings right out of the box and let it grow into them. The only time you should use slides is if you're prepping for an actual calibration.

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To follow his procedure exactly you need to run the slides

Slides are not required to prep for a calibration you can run them to age the panel faster but there is no requirement

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Blacks r gonna fade regardless. Wish it wasn't so but it's gonna happen. 2008 or 2013. Doesn't matter. Nature of the beast.
And your proof of this ?

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100,000 estimated. And it doesn't just blow up after hour 100,000, it dims over time. Half life and all that. A plasma stars to decay the second you turn it on. Breaking in the tv probably won't have a negative impact but it is wear & tear. Every hour you run slides is one less hour you'll be able to watch it. Again, not a big deal, but what's the benefit of slides exactly?
I believe the half-life of the modern panel is actually 100,000 hours. I already mentioned at least one benefit in my last post. Anything prone to failure will be given a useful stress test.
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The Panasonic V10 that I am talking about had excessive fading that occurred over a short period of time that was in fact easily visible to the naked eye. It was even posted and document on multiple sites including C-net not to mention a dedicated thread right here on AVS. And Panasonic themselves released statements regarding a process or some type of software that made changes to the panel at certain increments of time. So basically all I was saying is I wished I never ran any break-in slides due to that fact I was making my panel visibly worse in an extraordinarily sped up fashion.
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Fading... Is that the same from the European Panasonics of that time - the MLL started to rise after X amount of hours. There was a huge uproar - no wonder. Voltage/ageing algorithms must have gone screwy eek.gif
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