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sorry been sworn to secrecy, if you watcht he beginning of the shootout (once they upload it) you may get what I am hinting at biggrin.gif
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It actually doesn't. There's a few missing and they're only clips. I downloaded a few onto my PS3 but i want the disc with the full content.

I was under the impression that they were the entire chapters. I can definitely upload the image once i rip it. Just need suggestions on a file server.
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I think the rankings will end up like this:

Vt60
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I'm calling the F8500 to pull off the upset win. Subjectively, I have to admit that it impressed the heck out of me when I checked it out in the dimmed Magnolia showroom -- more so than the VT60, in fact. Both are incredible pieces of kit that are sure to make many fans, however.
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The LG didn't actually appear in the shootout, which I don't think mattered much. biggrin.gif
And it'll be over this evening. If you go to their website you can watch it live, or on record.

Yeah I started watching it live after my post and I've noticed that the LG didn't make it. I agree that the LG would have not mattered much (bottom of the barrel). Thanks for the reply.
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I'm calling the F8500 to pull off the upset win. Subjectively, I have to admit that it impressed the heck out of me when I checked it out in the dimmed Magnolia showroom -- more so than the VT60, in fact. Both are incredible pieces of kit that are sure to make many fans, however.

I think vt60 will win because it is in between the zt and f8500 in brightness while achieving the same black level as the zt.
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Yeah, when I asked them to discuss the ABL, one of the Samsung guys said "I like that guy". wink.gif I only brought it up because I think that's a so overlooked aspect of performance by even the calibrators, that it needs to be discussed.

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I think the rankings will end up like this:

Vt60
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The best MLL and good luminance...non of 3 displays can do both...no like KURO.


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The Shootout is going on right now.

Take a look

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/632436/hdtvshootout/videos/18161789

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People know there are 60" kuros right?

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It actually doesn't. There's a few missing and they're only clips. I downloaded a few onto my PS3 but i want the disc with the full content.

I was under the impression that they were the entire chapters. I can definitely upload the image once i rip it. Just need suggestions on a file server.

Here's a list of free large storage sites. Can I get a copy too, please?

http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-20000133-285/how-to-save-and-share-ridiculously-large-files/

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"no wonder the Panasonic insider is on vacation"

LOL at Vinnie.

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Is it me or does the Samsung look a LOT more reflective than the Panasonics? That seems pretty bad for any viewing in ambient light.
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I don't think so. Maybe you were seeing IR. biggrin.gif

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That would be even worse for Samsung.
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I don't think so. Maybe you were seeing IR. biggrin.gif
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That would be even worse for Samsung.
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I don't think so. Maybe you were seeing IR. biggrin.gif

I was kidding.

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I had a chance to see both the VT60 and F8500 in a dimmed room at my local Magnolia store, and chose too go with the VT60 as a replacement for my VT50 due to the Samsung looking too much like its flagship LCD panel.

I placed both in there best viewing modes base on what the manufacturers stated to me, and as crazy as it may sound too some here the Samsung was just too bright for my tastes, I'm not a big fan of the LCD look, and the F8500 looked too much like an LCD.

I've had my VT60 for about a week now and couldn't be happier with the picture I see, even the 3D looks better than it did on the VT50.

Far better black levels when compared too even my old VT50, and beautifully neutral.

I'm glad I chose too go with the VT60 instead of paying the premium that the ZT60 commands, because as we now see the difference between the VT60 and ZT60 is practically imperceptible.

What it comes down too is this, if you cant control room lighting go with the F8500, I'm sure after a proper calibration it puts out a stunning picture.

If on the other hand your in a bat cave as I am, the better choice might be the VT60 series.

One other point I'd like too make is that Samsung's quality control issues were a big turn off for me, this is based on sales people Ive talked too and the many friends that have had there sets in the past.

What I found amusing was that whenever my Samsung owning friends would come over and watch a movie on the VT50 they'd always comment at how beautiful my picture was, my friend Larry ended up buying my old PZ850U and that sets black levels were horrible when compared too my new set.

If Samsung can dial there quality control issues in, I may switch my allegiance, hell I love everything else they make, especially there phones.

One more week of slides and she gets her first full calibration, I might even have Chad do it, do to his meter being far better than the Display3 Pro I have.

Again, this is nothing more than my opinion, so go easy on me guys. smile.gif
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samsungs brightness can be calibrated out to a dimmer image.
Panasonics brightness can not be calibrated to a brighter image.

that, the price difference I was quoted, and the availability led me towards the Samsung. it was still a tough choice because of all the biases I had going in. I was DEAD SET on buying a Panasonic plasma less than a month ago. I wasn't even looking at other options.

as of today, I prefer the 'plasma look' and have my f8500 backlight set down to 12 in my dark room. but I appreciate that my tastes or needs may change, and the Samsung gives me the room to do that IF I want to.

nothing else I could see would separate the two displays. blacks were too close to call(though I see the panny's did measure less), colors have never bothered me and both are good for me. the lag on the f8500 is the only thing that actually affects me. using PC mode helps a lot, but I wish I could get rid of the lag without sacrificing PQ.

i'm happy with my f8500, i'm sure I would have been happy with a vt60 as well. I probably would have been happy with a st60. every choice is a good one, but that's what makes it so hard to pick
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YES, now I know which one you were. Watching for you tonight

If you saw me there tonight, then you've got me really scared. We were at the movies tonight with friends. I just got back and am curious to see how day 2 went. smile.gif

I can't believe it's still going on! Yowser.
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Did I read/hear things right that the Panasonic's don't have 1080p 3D

Yes it's true and you can see it if you look for it. the anti-aliasing in what I've seen has some strange anomalies.

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Any revelations tonight for day 2?

Did they put on any hockey game or ABL inducing material?
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The 2nd to last question was a good question.. It turns out that David M had the right measurements on the panny models.
D-Nice confirmed and said other sites had wrong measurements.
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Does does this mean it has better 3D or less than the Sammy?

IMO, clearly less. 540p vertical resolution on whole portions of the image.

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The 2nd to last question was a good question.. It turns out that David M had the right measurements on the panny models.
D-Nice confirmed and said other sites had wrong measurements.

I don't get it. The measurements at the shootout are 0.0015 or so. Davids measurements exceed that.

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Resolution is not the only factor behind picture quality. You're overlooking the impact of 3 others (in fact, they all have a more noticeable affect than resolution).

I'd take some slight color anomaly, especially where there is no reference next to it, over lower resolution, which needs no reference any day. Not to mention, the lower resolution results in anomalies of itself. Read what CNET says about watching Hugo on the ZT.

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The 2nd to last question was a good question.. It turns out that David M had the right measurements on the panny models.
D-Nice confirmed and said other sites had wrong measurements.

I don't understand that because he measured .003 cd/m2 which is .000875 fl. Yet at the shootout they said it was .0013 fl

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