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Owners of the new 2013 series LG 50PN6500 / 60PN6500, please post your comments, reviews and calibration settings...

I am helping my parents getting a new HDTV in the next coming weeks and I am leaning towards a 50PN6500 solely based on the price range budget and acclaimed reviews of last year 50PA6500 / 60PA6500 models. I could get the 2013 50PN6500 for the same price than the 2012 50PA6500 (550 Euro) but just could not find any official reviews on the new 2013 series yet and wonder if these should be better in terms of PQ (black, contrast, fluidity, color, etc...). I'd assume that new year models PQ should be at least equal or better than last year models as it is common that technology keeps improving year after year... isn't it the normal tradition?

Following are some slight differences in technical specifications description from the LG web site which seems to show that the 2013 models are a bit stripped down from last year in terms of inputs (2 HDMI vs. 3 and no PC inputs on 2013) - leading me to question the PQ trend on the newer models...


http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-50PN6500-plasma-tv

50PA6500 energy guide $22/yr:
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My dealer just swapped a 60PA6500 for a 60PN6500 after 2 months with the PA due to a vertical blue line appearing without any sources plugged into the TV. This is in no way a review as I have not yet calibrated the PN but the TV's are similar in many ways. The screens on both sets glare quite a bit so a light controlled room is a good idea. Subjectively the colors look punchier on the PN but without both sets to A/B compare it is difficult. The mounting swivel is a sturdier design on the PN for sure and the remote is smaller. I have no need for a smart TV or 3D and I am very happy with the PN after using it for a week and would highly recommend it for it's value/performance.

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Im due to get one as a warranty replacement for my 50PA6500, which had a small bulge of black appear on the inside of the glass screen. loved the picture etc, so hope the PN lives up to it!
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My dealer just swapped a 60PA6500 for a 60PN6500 after 2 months with the PA due to a vertical blue line appearing without any sources plugged into the TV. This is in no way a review as I have not yet calibrated the PN but the TV's are similar in many ways. The screens on both sets glare quite a bit so a light controlled room is a good idea. Subjectively the colors look punchier on the PN but without both sets to A/B compare it is difficult. The mounting swivel is a sturdier design on the PN for sure and the remote is smaller. I have no need for a smart TV or 3D and I am very happy with the PN after using it for a week and would highly recommend it for it's value/performance.

how about gaming performance? input lag. also how is image retention on the set.
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Hmm , going to keep my eye on this thread as I may have to ask for a replacement for my PA6500 .

I miss my old Altec 1590 monoblocks ....
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Just picked up a 60 incher from Costco for $699. $758 with a 5 year warranty. I was thinking about the 5300 Sammy or 60S60 from Panasonic, but I just couldn't justify the extra bucks.
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I picked my 50PN6500 yeaterday, as a warranty replacement for my 50PA6500. it has better blacks, and the brightness of the set is improved for sure. they have included a "backlight" adjustment , but im not sure on the actual light. it helps with brightness and doesnt seem to affect blacklevels greatly. The 50PN6500 is better with IR, ive got probably 30 hours on the set, and cant see any appear even if i pause the screen with a logo up. the picture seems to have more pop.
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Hi guys, I ordered the 50PN6500 2 days ago, should arrive monday.

Do any of you know of calibration settings for this tv?

I can't find any.

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Here's what I've been using - though I've only had the set for a few days. I've been using the Avatar Blu-ray to burn it in. It looks amazing to my untrained eye. The screen is quite reflective however I only watch movies in the evening with it.

The only thing different than the settings below is I set gamma at 2.4 and have the orbiter on.

The settings were posted by WEVSSPOT in the LG 50PA6500 thread.

Aspect Ratio: Just Scan / 16:9 / or even Set by Program - depends on source
Energy Saving: Off
Picture Mode: Expert 1 or 2
Contrast: 91
Brightness: 51
H. Sharp: 15
V. Sharp: 15
Color: 57
Tint: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Noise Reduction: Off
Gamma: High
Black Level: Low
Color Gamut: Standard
Edge Enhancement: Off
Color Temp: Medium
Method: 2 Point
Pattern: Outer
Points: High
Red: 14
Green: -12
Blue: -10
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Ive noticed several improvements, no input lag on digital out ie i have hdmi from cable to screen then optical out from tv to my receiver. the PA used to have lag. better picture brightness, and blacks seem better to me. im using the following for contrast etc:
contrast; 75
backlight: 70
brightness: 46
gamma: 2.4
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Noise Reduction: Off
Gamma: High
Black Level: Low
Color Gamut: wide
Edge Enhancement: Off
Color Temp: Medium


i find it looks amazing . all enhancements are off. i have 80hours on the set so far.
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Thanks guys for your input.

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I tried the settings you posted and they look pretty good, however I lowered Brightness to 45, because I like a slightly darker picture and in my experience it helps the blacks too.
I have gamma on 2.4 too, 2.2 looks too bright.

Anyway, I had already achieved basically the same settings (except for the color correction at the end) starting from the "CINEMA" pre-set and working my way from there.
I tried "dynamic contrast", set on low, at first, but had to turn it off because sometimes I noticed the contrast adjustment taking place (esp. during fast sequences/cuts) and it was pretty annoying.

Btw what PANEL LIGHT value do you use? I believe you forgot to say. I have mine at 70.



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I've never owned or seen the PA6500, so don't know bout that, but

the black levels on this seem pretty good, especialy if, like we both did, one lowers the backlight and brightness values a bit.
Thanks for the "Color Gamut: wide" tip, the colours look slightly better now.



Honestly though guys, the picture looked amazing even on the pre-sets, albeit a bit too bright. A very good cheap tv imo.
The onboard speakers suck though, terrible terrible audio quality.

I have to hooked it up to both a HTPC via hdmi and bluray player (hdmi too) plus 2.1 audio system via optical cable. Also game on it.
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hey i have panel light set on 80 , im liking the picture alot
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hey i have panel light set on 80 , im liking the picture alot

I thought you meant panel light when you said "backlight: 70" in your previous post?

Otherwise I can't find the backlight setting.




Btw, I noticed some slight panel uniformity issues, visible when doing bright coloured slides (I'm breakin in using the calibration slides) or all dark grey picture. Has any of you noticed similar difformity issues on your panels?

Nothing major, as I said, only noticeable under certain conditions.


Also, my tv turns off the backlight completely during all pitch black scenes, is there any way to turn this off? I have ECO mode OFF already.
It would be great if the actual blacks were as dark, but they're not, so one can really notice the difference from one shot to the other.

I think I'll do the manual calibration thingy suggested in other threads, but I don't wanna ruin the panel, as it looks amazing (compared to LEDs) already.
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I dont think there is a way to stop the screen off thing. I have noticed some screen uniformity probs . on black screen . it looks un uniform slightly. you cant change it with contrast or brightness settings. only vrry subtle and is fading with use
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I dont think there is a way to stop the screen off thing. I have noticed some screen uniformity probs . on black screen . it looks un uniform slightly. you cant change it with contrast or brightness settings. only vrry subtle and is fading with use

The screen off thing sucks, cause it reminds me everytime of the not-so-good black levels.

I am going to attempt the tweaking procedure described here, as soon as I'm done with the breaking in (I'm going for a 800-1000 hours):
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1372479/lg-plasma-panel-tweaks-for-better-blacks

Seems fairly easy.
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A week ago I bought the 42PN4500 for less than 4 bills and love it. I've had the LG 50PJ350 for almost two years now and love it too. I assume the 'PN' series plasmas are similar and have had no luck finding anyone's recommended settings on the web for the 42 so I tried Robert Bays' settings listed here. Use of the Pic Wizards got me very close to these settings already but it's good to compare what other people find. I left the Gamma at Medium because I was losing detail in the blacks, and bumped the Green up to about -6 instead of -12. I love the picture wizard and 20pt color management on the LG's. If you like to play with your electronics and feel some pride of ownership LG plasmas are the way to go. I see no issues with the blacks on my PN, maybe the PA's exhibited more of a problem but I see no reason to open her up and start turning pots . . . . looking forward to some more break in so I can really see what she'll do.
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A week ago I bought the 42PN4500 for less than 4 bills and love it. I've had the LG 50PJ350 for almost two years now and love it too. I assume the 'PN' series plasmas are similar and have had no luck finding anyone's recommended settings on the web for the 42 so I tried Robert Bays' settings listed here. Use of the Pic Wizards got me very close to these settings already but it's good to compare what other people find. I left the Gamma at Medium because I was losing detail in the blacks, and bumped the Green up to about -6 instead of -12. I love the picture wizard and 20pt color management on the LG's. If you like to play with your electronics and feel some pride of ownership LG plasmas are the way to go. I see no issues with the blacks on my PN, maybe the PA's exhibited more of a problem but I see no reason to open her up and start turning pots . . . . looking forward to some more break in so I can really see what she'll do.
Has anyone compared the 42PN4500 with the Panasonic TC-P42X60? I've heard that the LG ##PN6500 and the Panasonic TC-P##X60 have poor contrast and washed-out colors. How's the LG 42PN4500? I have a height limit of 26.5", so that would rule out the Samsung UN43F4500/4550.
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I don't have any issues with being washed out or poor colors on my 42PN4500. I like the picture to look as natural as possible instead of like a box of crayons though. I set color gammut at medium but if you set it to wide the colors will pop. If anyone has issues with contrast/ wash out/ weak colors on the LG I think they haven't learned how to use the pic wizard or color management settings.
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I don't have any issues with being washed out or poor colors on my 42PN4500. I like the picture to look as natural as possible instead of like a box of crayons though. I set color gammut at medium but if you set it to wide the colors will pop. If anyone has issues with contrast/ wash out/ weak colors on the LG I think they haven't learned how to use the pic wizard or color management settings.
If I was still going to get a plasma, it would have to be either the Panasonic TC-P42X60 or the LG 42PN4500, especially because of my 26.5" height limitation. Has anyone seen both? Do they look similar? Because the Panasonic X60 and LG PN4500 are low-end plasma displays, do they still look better than LCD displays? Please note that the 720p X60 is NOT to be confused with the 1080p S60, a superior series, but no longer available in a 42".
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What are the best calibration settings to use for LG 60PN6550? (I was told by LG that this is same model as LG 60PN6500, just the Samsclub and Costco model)
I see there are more than one posted in the tread
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I think you are always going to find a couple alternate choices for calibration settings, and the best ones for you will depend on variances in your hardware, your room environment and your personal preferences.

I would suggest:
1. running the Pic Wizard to set it to your perceived preferences
2. compare what you ended up with to the suggestions here
3. tweak your setting back and forth between your Pic Wizard setting and the ones here and item by item choose which one you like best.

I did this for my 42PN4500 and found I liked a little more green and not such bright color (med vs high color gammut)
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Thoughts on this TV for $500? It's on sale right now at Paul's TV's. I was looking for a budget TV ($300-$500 range), and this is at the top of my budget, but seems like it might be a decent deal.

Any better options for a bit cheaper? (Down to 42" is fine if price comes down).
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Have there been any professional reviews of the 2013 LG plasma models yet this year?

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I think you are always going to find a couple alternate choices for calibration settings, and the best ones for you will depend on variances in your hardware, your room environment and your personal preferences.

I would suggest:
1. running the Pic Wizard to set it to your perceived preferences
2. compare what you ended up with to the suggestions here
3. tweak your setting back and forth between your Pic Wizard setting and the ones here and item by item choose which one you like best.

I did this for my 42PN4500 and found I liked a little more green and not such bright color (med vs high color gammut)

Even though LG's site says our sets have the Pic Wizard, they don't. Unless it's in some super secret menu or something...
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I don't know about the 65PN's but on my 42PN to get to the Picture Wizard you:
- don't click the 'picture' button or the 'Q Menu' button on the remote, these are simplified menus
- do click the 'settings' button on the remote and then choose 'picture'
- once in picture, scroll down past Energy Saving, Picture Mode, contrast, brightness, etc. and you will find Picture Wizard second from the bottom (I think you can just scroll up the menu more quickly but going down will show you all the other picture setting choices - you go into 'Expert Mode' to change color gammut, gamma, color temp and the red/ green/ blue settings; go into 'picture options' to adjust noise reduction and black level)

Then you just follow the Picture Wizard steps, it's pretty easy from there.

Note - if your set is pretty new (not sure, maybe less than 100hrs of use) you will want to re-run the wizard after it has been broken in but no harm trying it out early - except for maybe contrast, I think you are supposed to turn that down to about 50% during break in. can't remember for sure but I'm sure it's mentioned somewhere on this site for plasma breakin
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Nope, not there. Seems they took a few more features out of the 2013 model besides HDMI and component inputs.
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I was wondering i just saw this thread and if i could ask what is the model number on the remote controller that comes with the LG 60PN6500 TV you have. I seemed to lost mine and can not find it.
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I was wondering i just saw this thread and if i could ask what is the model number on the remote controller that comes with the LG 60PN6500 TV you have. I seemed to lost mine and can not find it.

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CNET reviewed the step up 6700 model last week. I assume the review applies equally to these non-smart models.

Review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/lg-60ph6700/4505-6482_7-35560968.html

Settings:
Energy Saving: Off:
Picture Mode: Expert 1 or 2
Panel Light: 92
Contrast: 93
Brightness: 60
H Sharpness: 10
V Sharpness: 10
Color: 50
Tint: 0

Expert control menu
Dynamic contrast: Off
Super Resolution: Off
Color Gamut: Standard
Edge enhancer: Off
Color Filter: Off
Expert Pattern: Off [greyed out]
Gamma: 2.4

--White Balance sub-menu
Color Temperature: Warm2
Method: 2 Points
Pattern: Outer
High: Red -25 Green 0 Blue -20
Low: Red 0 Green 0 Blue 0

--Color Management System sub-menu
R: -6, 0, 0
G: 0, 0, 0
B: 0, 0, 0
C: 0, 0, 0
M: 0, 0, 0
Y: -11, 0, 0

--Picture option Menu
Noise Reduction: Off
MPEG Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On [greyed out]
Motion Eye Care: Off [greyed out]
TruMotion: Off

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confused. Is the pn5700 a step UP or step DOWN from this one?
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