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I used to own a 52" Samsung LCD screen which I bought back in 09', while it was a decent TV I could never stand the backlight bleed, garbage black levels, which to me ruined the overall picture quality. Having just moved to California (from DC), I got rid of it along with most everything else I owned so I'm in the market for a new TV again.

That said, what are the negatives with a plasma set, the room it will be in is very bright during the daytime unfortunately, however I don't watch much TV during the day so I think I can deal with that. Any other major concerns I should be aware of? Last time when I bought my LCD set I read a bunch of reviews claiming that there was no flashlighting or bleeding, which I later determined was a bunch of crap as I've never seen an LCD TV which didn't have a tremendous amout of that - this was my first LCD TV so I didn't know how prominent that defect was with LCD TVs.

So, I basically just want to get a list of the cons together for plasma before I make the choice to switch.
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Burn in, image retention, horizontal line bleed, lower brightness, energy consumption.
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Burn in, image retention, horizontal line bleed, lower brightness, energy consumption.

pretty much nailed it on the head. but before this goes and scares everyone, here's my two cents:

Burn in - never got any on my 60ST30, none on my 65PS64 yet
Image retention - never had any on my 60ST30, none on my 65PS64 either
Horizontal line bleed - so rare, only seen on text screens for me (like copyright screens before movie starts)
Lower brightness - true, but in-home I had neither my 60ST30 or 65PS64 even close to maxed out on brightness to achieve satisfaction
Energy consumption - you're talking a few bucks a month difference
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Exactly, which is why I prefer plasma over LCD, the minor issues are easily cancelled out by higher contrast ratio, better black level, greater colour accuracy and good motion performance.
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with my current set-up(64f8500) the only negative that I have been influenced by is the increased energy consumption. I don't have ir,bi, dimness,line bleed period.

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Ok, thanks for the replies everybody
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To be honest the only issue you could have with a Plasma could be your viewing room. If you have a bright room don't even think about going for a lower end Plasma model, as those tend to lack the filters that allow the better Plasma's to not reflect so much.

All other noted "issues" aren't really issues anymore.

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for me, the LCD's have disadvantages in picture quality, and plasmas have disadvantages in physical qualities(size, weight, power consumption, etc)

the only one that MIGHT be picture quality related is brightness. they are bright enough for reference viewing, but we don't always want reference.

most of the 'issues' posted above are what goes wrong with DEFECTIVE plasmas. those are the most common problems, things you should look out for while on warranty. they aren't really the things you have to live with if you want plasma.

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I repair TVs, given the market share of LCD vs Plasma, I see more LCD faulty per unit than plasma faulty per unit. The number of LCD panel failures is shocking too (the actual display panel fails), whereas many plasmas are easily repaired, and there's only a handful of faults that aren't economically fixed.
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UNeven shifting gamma.The whites get quite bright in relation to the rest of screen on some plasmas.

Tom- someone assured me that he knew that plasmas break down more often than lcds,,but I would believe you if you repair tvs.
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It depends -- you may end up seeing more faulty plasma for repair because they cost more than LCD do (many people simply throw away crappy 32 inch LCD after failure and don't bother with repairing it.) I sample the whole industry by buying faulty & selling working, and plasma generally last longer. It's a lot harder to build a cheap plasma TV that'll only make the 1 year warranty.
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I think I'm going to go with a plasma, one of the new Panasonics. In the past I've dealt with online purchases, but I think I'll pick it up from the local Best Buy here (nobody else has it in stock), that way if it has any serious issues like burn in/IR/etc I can exchange it with minimal hassle.

Picture quality to me is the most important thing, which is why I don't like LCDs and regretted purchasing my last set the entire time I had it. I don't know what it is, but I can't look at and LCD set without noticeable flash lighting and I've stated as such to many friends of mine when watching their sets but for some reason they either don't notice it or it doesn't bother them. Oh well, to each their own I guess
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I think I'm going to go with a plasma, one of the new Panasonics. In the past I've dealt with online purchases, but I think I'll pick it up from the local Best Buy here (nobody else has it in stock), that way if it has any serious issues like burn in/IR/etc I can exchange it with minimal hassle.

Picture quality to me is the most important thing, which is why I don't like LCDs and regretted purchasing my last set the entire time I had it. I don't know what it is, but I can't look at and LCD set without noticeable flash lighting and I've stated as such to many friends of mine when watching their sets but for some reason they either don't notice it or it doesn't bother them. Oh well, to each their own I guess

I come from a first generation Sony XBR LCD TV to the plasma world. I always thought plasmas looked dark and lacked detail compared to LCD (Sony XBR and Samsung 8000 series specifically). I heard about plasma image retention or IR and that kept me away because none of the plasma manufacturers warranty IR. However, the more natural colors of the plasma drew me to the "dark" side. I became a Sith Lord when the F8500 came out. The F8500 stopped me in my tracks when I saw it. That has never happened to me. The F8500 had LCD like brightness, wonderful colors, and an incredibly sharp and clear panel. Having lived with both LCD and plasma, plasma is superior. More natural color and better black levels. Picture quality is top notch, better than the best LCD. Now I've mentioned the Samsung F8500. I think the F8500 is superior to the Panasonic VT60 in sharpness (detail retrieval). However, some people prefer the ultimate in black level and the VT60 can get darker than the F8500. Doesn't really matter because both the Panasonic and the Samsung will beat any LCD picture in my opinion.

Downsides to plasma? Panel buzz with the F8500 (mine has gone away), (reported) fan noise with the VT60, and the possibility of IR. Also, a plasma can't get as bright as an LCD (except the F8500). If you watch mostly at night or in a dark room, no biggie because the plasma will be plenty bright and produce a better picture. Even if you don't watch mostly at night or in a dark room, ie in daylight hours, I think you eyes would adjust to the dimmer picture of a plasma. If you like the brightness of and LCD, I'd really recommend the F8500. If you did not know the F8500 was plasma, you might mistake it for an LCD.

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I think I'm going to go with a plasma, one of the new Panasonics. In the past I've dealt with online purchases, but I think I'll pick it up from the local Best Buy here (nobody else has it in stock), that way if it has any serious issues like burn in/IR/etc I can exchange it with minimal hassle.

No line bleed, dead pixels, panel uniformity issues, or IR - BTW. Electricity cost? Not that much more. Look at the label on the TV or Pnasonic's website.

BB seems to be more willing to adjust pricing on the Panasonic line than the Samsung line. Memorial day week aka now would be a good time to get a deal on a TV. Samsung is running a promotion where they will give you a free 2.1 soundbar, wireless speaker dock, or a small LCD TV. BB may be willing to give you price break on their plasma line. Bring some blurays with you and go to a Magnolia if possible. Play stupid and see what kind of deal you can get because they want to sell you a TV. If you froth at the mouth, you are less likely to get a good deal. Samsung has universal pricing on their TVs which I think the same as price fixing. If you buy online, you can get a much better deal. Some online retailers provide financing, but these retailers subscribe to universal pricing. BB will give you 36 months financing, you just have to ask for it.

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Plasma works better if you put it up high so lower part of screen is eye level or higher so you don't see the reflection of everyone and everything in your room.
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Thanks for all the info, I'm going to stop by BB today and see what I can get. And I'll definitely check out the set you recommended, as it appears they don't have the ST60 in stock anymore anyway.
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